One of how many?

[BananaDan]

When people say their car is one of xxx cars to show rarity, how is that actually figured out?  Is it just based on the power train?  Or do you also include the color as an additional breakdown?  For example, my car is an XS29U0G, of which 7,131 were produced.  There were only 647 FY1 cars, but how many of them were XS29U0G autos?  Probably less than 647.  My car is also a no vinyl top and stripe delete car with hood pins option which is likely a rare combination as I can't imagine how many people would have wanted a car that size with that much yellow not broken up with some stripes or a vinyl roof. 

My point is, if you take enough options into consideration, most people could probably say their car is 1 of 3 or some other small number.  So I'm wondering, is there a known rule-of-thumb out there that is followed when people figure out and advertise that their car is 1 of xxx cars?

Dan

[TK73]

Whatever makes the car "rarer" to jack the reserve on your eBag listing...

[bakerhillpins]

Whatever makes the car "rarer" to jack the reserve on your eBag listing...

What he says!   


There aren't any rules of thumb or guidelines that I know of. I am pretty sure there are not too many production numbers that are known at all. Look at it this way, Galen is the "king" of this stuff and his documentation always caries the "x of y known to exist" disclaimer. Personally, I think the numbers are interesting but more from a it's cool to see rare options then I have to have that because it's rare.

[69bronzeT5]

I usually just do.....


-YEAR>>>MODEL>>>ENGINE>>>TRANSMISSION


If you wanna get fancier....


-YEAR>>>MODEL>>>ENGINE>>>TRANSMISSION>>>EXTERIOR COLOUR>>>INTERIOR COLOUR



Or odd options such as Pink side stripes (E-bodies) or Sunroofs....

[Drache]

I usually just do.....


-YEAR>>>MODEL>>>ENGINE>>>TRANSMISSION


If you wanna get fancier....


-YEAR>>>MODEL>>>ENGINE>>>TRANSMISSION>>>EXTERIOR COLOUR>>>INTERIOR COLOUR

This is pretty much how most people do it although before engine you've got R/T, Convertible, Superbee, etc

The more steps you go though it's not too hard to make your car sound SUPER rare.

Example (not based on facts): One of -

1967 Dodge Dart - 25,000 built

GT - 5,000

340 - 2,000

4 Speed - 1,500

Blue - 700

Blue Interior - 200

Radio Delete - 50

The list is endless.

[Khyron]

....all that and pay some jackoff stupid money to "verify" it.

[A383Wing]

seeing as colors & options were not counted in my cars....(the 66's)......I just go by engine & trans made

[ChgrSteve67]

15,788 1967 Chargers built and I have 1 of them

[TUFCAT]

Color combinations are a huge factor after the powertrain and model options are factored into the equation. 

[ChgrSteve67]

Mine was bright yellow with a white roof stripe, special order car.

That had to be rare.

[Kern Dog]

The easy way is to call Rob Wolfe of Mopar Collectors Guide. Some say that with his skills, he can make almost ANY car a "one of one", even a 4 door slant six Valiant!

[bill440rt]

My Chargers are all 1 of 3....    in the garage! 

[Ghoste]

I'm still amazed at the number of Mopar people who can tell you how many of their particular car came with various options when Chrysler never tracked them that way to begin with.

[69 OUR/TEA]

This is one of the biggest things I hate about the hobby,Mopar,Chevy,Ford,whatever......When someone has to try to make their car of rare significance vs. everyone elses.1 of 3 because of odd color,or 1 of 6 becuase of radio delete,etc,etc.Who gives a shit!!!!!

Very easy,69 Chargers,bottom line is you have 1 of 18,776 R/T's,......you have 1 of 4,243 R/T SE's.......you have 1 of 503 Daytonas and so on!!!!!!

[68X426]

My Road Runner is one of none. 

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

This is one of the biggest things I hate about the hobby,Mopar,Chevy,Ford,whatever......When someone has to try to make their car of rare significance vs. everyone elses.1 of 3 because of odd color,or 1 of 6 becuase of radio delete,etc,etc.Who gives a shit!!!!!

I only do it for insurance purposes with my Mustang

[TUFCAT]

I'm still amazed at the number of Mopar people who can tell you how many of their particular car came with various options when Chrysler never tracked them that way to begin with.

Ghoste is correct from what I understand. Body types, engines, and transmissions were always documented.  Shipping records are used to supplement rare color combo's and optional equipment breakdowns - like Kevin Marti does for Ford products.

[A383Wing]

My Chargers are all 1 of 3....    in the garage! 

yea..same here....I got 2 in one garage, and the other one in the house garage....if ya get all 3 together...they talk at night plotting against me

[69CoronetRT]

I'm still amazed at the number of Mopar people who can tell you how many of their particular car came with various options when Chrysler never tracked them that way to begin with.

I'm not sure what you mean by this but Chrysler did track what options came with what model and body style for several reasons. 1) sales and marketing and 2) inventory control. GG's Options and Accessories reports are nothing more than taking the factory data and making it more reader friendly. This is why you can know (approximately) how many cars came with certain options.

What you can't do is combine multiple options to determine how many were made. The numbers just don't work like that.

If you crunch the numbers and work permutations of how many different body styles, colors, recommended interiors and stripe combinations there are then add in other options like radios and A/C, you usually come up with a number that is higher than actual production meaning it's not a wonder each car is one of one. It's a wonder to find two cars alike.

Here's a factory computer printout for the 68 Barracuda broken down by body style and engine across the top then options along the side. The columns in the middle contain percentages. This is how we know that 35% of 68 Barracuda /6 hard tops came with undercoating.

[69CoronetRT]

So I'm wondering, is there a known rule-of-thumb out there that is followed when people figure out and advertise that their car is 1 of xxx cars?

You can only go by known production figures for each option. You cannot cross reference options and come up with a different number. You can ony go by the numbers known for each option and use the lowest number as that is the only verified number.

While not logical, all 647 FY1 cars could have been automatics or only one of them could have been. The actual number produced is somewhere between 1 and 647. There is no way to know that actual number.

[Ghoste]

What I meant by it is summed up in your word "approximately".    I should have been clearer but what I was trying to say was the number of people who try to break Mopars down like a Marti Report and you can't, you can only guess.

[BananaDan]

This is one of the biggest things I hate about the hobby,Mopar,Chevy,Ford,whatever......When someone has to try to make their car of rare significance vs. everyone elses.1 of 3 because of odd color,or 1 of 6 becuase of radio delete,etc,etc.Who gives a shit!!!!!

Very easy,69 Chargers,bottom line is you have 1 of 18,776 R/T's,......you have 1 of 4,243 R/T SE's.......you have 1 of 503 Daytonas and so on!!!!!!

See, that's what makes sense to me.  I just didn't understand how people in magazines or on TV shows come to the 1 of 6 type numbers.  Now I see it's basically all bullshit.

[djcarguy]

My Chargers are all 1 of 3....    in the garage! 

yea..same here....I got 2 in one garage, and the other one in the house garage....if ya get all 3 together...they talk at night plotting against me

cars and kids if together yes they talk and plot against ya,,hahaha   if there is a odd number then few get along and pick on odd car out,,,, it gets hurt feelings and does not run right or breaks down so it can get  love and attension from you or repair shop guy?? do you really know how he touches your car and where ,when your leave it for servicing,,hahaha.      THAT IS WHY THEY ONLY MADE 1 OR 2 CAR GARAGES FOR ALL THOSE YEARS.   THEN CAR MANUFACTURERSS  FIGURED THIS OUT AND PAYED HOME BUILDER TO MAKE 3 CAR GARAGES TO DRIVE UP DEALER REPAIRS......MY CAR TOLD ME ONE EVENING  WHEN I SPILLED A FIFTH OF VODKA IN CAR IN GARAGE WHILE  HIDING OUT FROM PHYCO XXX WIFE..HAHAHAHA    HONEST FROM DJ ,DISHONEST JOHN

[69 OUR/TEA]

I'll take it one step further,forget about how little the production number they made of  certain cars,R/T Chargers,Birds,Daytonas,Hemi Cudas and on.....bottom line,if you have one you're not the only one with one.
I have this conversation with a very good friend quite often,forget the monetary value as it means nothing to me,or him as he has something that noone else can say they have,and he has the right to say "1 of 1" literally.
Galen certified and all !!!! Willed down from his family,he has the FIRST 69 Roadrunner post car made,and possibly the "FIRST" Roadrunner made for 1969,never makes public comment about it,has had it for 20 years already,been in his family since 1978.Needs to be restored,and has been collecting just about every NOS part for it that has come up in years past.It's a 383 4spd,bench seat A/C car,orig fender tag"PILOT" vin 00000x.
If it were mine,I would/could care less how valuable or not it is,and would not trade something like that for any of your highly sought after more desirable models,hands down.As now you have something that is truly stand alone,bar none!!!

[69CoronetRT]

What I meant by it is summed up in your word "approximately".    I should have been clearer but what I was trying to say was the number of people who try to break Mopars down like a Marti Report and you can't, you can only guess.

Agree. There is NO way to know how many were produced.

Again, given the number of combinations possible, it's not amazing a car is 1 of 1. It's more amazing to find two alike.

[Chad L. Magee]

Color combinations are a huge factor after the powertrain and model options are factored into the equation. 

That is how I keep track of the rarity of my oddball cars, model then engine/transmission combo numbers.  Curse me for being analytical, but that is how I am:
 
I know my 1970 base model Charger (XP29C0G) is 1 of 181, 1 of 103 with the three on the tree manual for that year.  There might be as many as ten left of these, but that is only an educated guess.  As for the color combo (red/black top/charcoal), I have no idea on that.  I would still love to get my hands on a factory 500 /6 version from 1970 (even the one of one 500 SE /6!).....

I know my 1968 383-2bbl., 4-speed Charger is 1 of 74.  But, how many of those were bright red/white top/white with red inserts interior (Husker colors)?.......

What about when you find one that has no factory build numbers?  Then you have to go by how many are known.  Case in point:  I used to own a 1968 Charger 318, three on the tree manual.  Between ten and fifteen are known, with no production numbers from Dodge.  How many of those were light yellow, black top and gold interior?....

The one that has me perplexed is my HP2 Satellite.  Remember HP2 badges were given to the first 100-150 street hemi cars before switching over to regular hemi badges on Jan.1, 1966.  (That automatically sets it into the rare class.)  Since it is missing the VIN tag, I only have the fender tag and body information (SO numbers) to go off of in hunting its rarity.  It was built Dec. 15, 1965, but at what plant?  If it happens to be St. Louis, it would have been one of the very first street hemis from that plant (maybe the first one), as that was the first day of hemi production there.  If it is from the other plant, it would be more common.....

A truly rare car is one that does not need a full breakdown to get to a low production number value, it will start low from the beginning.  However, don't confuse rarity with value, they are not the same.....

[Brock Lee]

It will be interesting to see how that sort of game works for future collectable cars. They document everything now. I have a 91 Formula that comes up in GM's database as "1 of 1" simply because it was the only one like it ordered by that particular dealer.

[resq302]

Our 70 chally vert is 1 of 99 known to be made with Alpine White paint and 1 of 137 known to be made with the red interior.  As for my charger I saw a number in Chris' (mod) about a number for power disc brake cars but I can't remember it off the top of my head.  I do know that my charger is 1 of 3500 (ish) that was made with the 383 4 bbl 4 speed combo in 1969.   

[1969chargerrtse]

One of one.  Matters to him. Not sure how accurate this is though?

[69 OUR/TEA]

    136 cars at a cruise night tonight
      81 think they have a really rare car
      63 don't like Torinos
      37 say they will never sell their car
      22 wish they had a Charger
      15 can't stand the guy with the Torino
        8 people tripped over the ropes and cones around the Torino
        2 other cars could'nt come in because the Torino took up three spots
        1 guy with a Torino says its one of one because he has no headrests


       135 don't give a shit !!!!!
     
     
     

[BananaDan]

 

[Drache]

Looks to me like the guy with the Torino is making fun of the one of one crowd and not stating it to make his car seem more rare... 

[1969chargerrtse]

Not to sure.  He said some Ford expert like our Mopar Galen guy listed it that way.  I think he's serious.

[1969chargerrtse]

   136 cars at a cruise night tonight
     81 think they have a really rare car
     63 don't like Torinos
     37 say they will never sell their car
     22 wish they had a Charger
     15 can't stand the guy with the Torino
       8 people tripped over the ropes and cones around the Torino
       2 other cars could'nt come in because the Torino took up three spots
       1 guy with a Torino says its one of one because he has no headrests


      135 don't give a shit !!!!!
     
     
     

Only 22 wished they had a Charger? WTH?  

[69 OUR/TEA]

   136 cars at a cruise night tonight
     81 think they have a really rare car
     63 don't like Torinos
     37 say they will never sell their car
     22 wish they had a Charger
     15 can't stand the guy with the Torino
       8 people tripped over the ropes and cones around the Torino
       2 other cars could'nt come in because the Torino took up three spots
       1 guy with a Torino says its one of one because he has no headrests


      135 don't give a shit !!!!!
     
     
     

Only 22 wished they had a Charger? WTH?  

Did'nt want to be to greedy with that figure!!! That was at Heavenly Donut Rob,I shoulda went tonite,maybe next Sunday I go to that one.

[TUFCAT]

   136 cars at a cruise night tonight
     81 think they have a really rare car
     63 don't like Torinos
     37 say they will never sell their car
     22 wish they had a Charger
     15 can't stand the guy with the Torino
       8 people tripped over the ropes and cones around the Torino
       2 other cars could'nt come in because the Torino took up three spots
       1 guy with a Torino says its one of one because he has no headrests


      135 don't give a shit !!!!!
     
     
     

HILARIOUS! I was thinking the same thing!   1 guy with a Torino says its one of one because he has no headrests! 

[472 R/T SE]

Not to sure.  He said some Ford expert like our Mopar Galen guy listed it that way.  I think he's serious.

Doesn't the Marti Report list all that?

[1969chargerrtse]

   136 cars at a cruise night tonight
     81 think they have a really rare car
     63 don't like Torinos
     37 say they will never sell their car
     22 wish they had a Charger
     15 can't stand the guy with the Torino
       8 people tripped over the ropes and cones around the Torino
       2 other cars could'nt come in because the Torino took up three spots
       1 guy with a Torino says its one of one because he has no headrests


      135 don't give a shit !!!!!
     
     
     

Only 22 wished they had a Charger? WTH?  

Did'nt want to be to greedy with that figure!!! That was at Heavenly Donut Rob,I shoulda went tonite,maybe next Sunday I go to that one.

Be glad you didn't go.  The Mopar guys must of thought rain was near.  The place was 1/2 empty.  I stayed just 15 mins.

[tan top]

One of one.  Matters to him. Not sure how accurate this is though?

nice car by the looks of it !!  rare car then when you look at the brake down in production figures  
each to there own !!  

   136 cars at a cruise night tonight
     81 think they have a really rare car
     63 don't like Torinos
     37 say they will never sell their car
     22 wish they had a Charger
     15 can't stand the guy with the Torino
       8 people tripped over the ropes and cones around the Torino
       2 other cars could'nt come in because the Torino took up three spots
       1 guy with a Torino says its one of one because he has no headrests


      135 don't give a shit !!!!!
     
     
     

Only 22 wished they had a Charger? WTH?  

Did'nt want to be to greedy with that figure!!! That was at Heavenly Donut Rob,I shoulda went tonite,maybe next Sunday I go to that one.

the torino Dude  prolly wishes he had a charger too   i even wish i had more than one

[68X426]

Guys, step back for a second. The Torino owner was using satire. The Mustang world is extremely hung up about one-of-one. The owner was messing with the Ford extremists.

It's a putdown. It's satire.

[1969chargerrtse]

Guys, step back for a second. The Torino owner was using satire. The Mustang world is extremely hung up about one-of-one. The owner was messing with the Ford extremists.

It's a putdown. It's satire.

I'll ask him next time I see him.  I think he's serious and to be honest I don't blame him.  I like the numbers game and if it was my car and I had proof I would do the same thing.  Yep.  If Galen said my car was the only Orange 69 charger, bla bla, without headrest, yeah I'd tell the world.  I will ask him though.