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A couple of detail questions

Started by Richard Cranium, May 08, 2011, 07:07:04 AM

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Richard Cranium

1. The latch tray in the nose cone; is the finish supposed to be high gloss black, satin black, or flat black?

2. Would that same black be used on the rest of the inner nose cone structure?

3. The picture below shows this seal riveted to the lower valance. Am I correct in assuming that the ugly stud part of the rived protrudes through the valance, or was there a different type of rivet used?



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nascarxx29

Did you refer to Hemi Genos daytona resto pages.Lots of good pictures and info .
1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

Aero426

The latch tray, Z brackets and headlight buckets are all painted a satin black. 

Richard Cranium

Quote from: nascarxx29 on May 08, 2011, 08:21:28 AM
Did you refer to Hemi Genos daytona resto pages.Lots of good pictures and info .

His & Mopar John's. Good stuff.
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nascarxx29

Both cars good reference.One of the 2 posts mentioned the # number manafactor for the correct paint
1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

hemigeno

Quote from: Richard Cranium on May 08, 2011, 07:07:04 AM
3. The picture below shows this seal riveted to the lower valance. Am I correct in assuming that the ugly stud part of the rived protrudes through the valance, or was there a different type of rivet used?

Below is a picture of my car's valance after paint.  Yep, that's how they installed the rivets originally (the unrestored picture you posted is of the same/my car, only prior to restoration).  They did it the "ugly" way because the other end of the rivet without the large diameter flared head would have pulled through the rubber seal really easily.


Richard Cranium

Thanks for the info everyone. I'm sure that I'll have a few more questions as time goes on. :2thumbs:
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Mopar John

Mark,
I concur with hemigeno on the butt end of the rivits. They stick through the lower valance and are painted! I can not attach pictures to a pm so here are some of the nose seals! I have more to get off a picture disk from the assembly soon!
Mopar John
P.S. I didn't want to hi jack this post so go to my story and see pictures of the sidemarker placement in the lower front valance!!

Richard Cranium

Thanks for the pictures John.  :2thumbs: My car is currently on the Whirly jig and last week I stripped of the factory undercoating in the four wheelwellsplus& behind the rear wheels and the undercarriage will be blasted as soon as the rain stops. In the mean time, I've cleaned up the engine & got it mounted on the K-frame with some suspension pieces attached. Pictures will follow soon.
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Richard Cranium

One more question:

Does anyone know who offers paint that replicates the look of bare steel?
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Aero426

Eastwood has a detail gray paint that would work.  If you have bare steel, depending on the part, another option is to leave it bare and treat it with ECS Rust Prevention Magic.  

resq302

Quote from: Aero426 on May 20, 2011, 03:44:37 PM
Eastwood has a detail gray paint that would work.  If you have bare steel, depending on the part, another option is to leave it bare and treat it with ECS Rust Prevention Magic.  

I agree!  That RPM is very good   excellent, amazing stuff!
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

Richard Cranium

I just looked it up & found some pretty good info here....

http://www.ecsautomotive.com/productdesc.php?co=a&id=1

I'll have to order some.   :2thumbs:
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resq302

Prior to sending out a set of disc brake spindles that I sold to a member here, I restored them by soaking them in evaporust and then applied the RPM to them.  I let them sit outside for a week with temps going varying going down to the 30s and up into the 70s various days.  We also had about 4 of the 7 days rain where they were exposed.  The only area where I started to notice rust was where I must not have covered the part that well as it was very minimal oxidation and the stuff held up perfect.  It did not wash off and withstood the pounding of the rain.  I know any work that requires bare metal now will be getting this stuff applied. :2thumbs:
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

Richard Cranium

Here's a couple of update pictures  The engine is all dressed up with nowhere to go....
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resq302

Just a couple of things I noticed wrong.  The spark plug wire holders were already on when the engine was painted.  Same with fuel pump and exhaust manifolds.
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

Richard Cranium

Quote from: resq302 on May 22, 2011, 10:29:01 AM
Just a couple of things I noticed wrong.  The spark plug wire holders were already on when the engine was painted.  Same with fuel pump and exhaust manifolds.

As it is, the engine painted too nicely to be considered original, so I  painted the manifolds with Eastood high-temp paint & I prefer the look of that finish versus burnt off orange engine paint. I knew about the fuel pump & I decided against painting that. The plastic plug wire brackets was something I didn't know about. Thanks.

Anything else that I need to address?  :icon_smile_big:
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resq302

from what I can see, everything looks pretty good   :2thumbs:
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

Just 6T9 CHGR

PCV valve should also be engine color and shouldnt have any clamps on the hose....
Chris' '69 Charger R/T


resq302

Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on May 23, 2011, 03:54:49 PM
PCV valve should also be engine color and shouldnt have any clamps on the hose....

Damn, missed that.  Same for the grommit that gots into the valve cover for the pcv valve.
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

Richard Cranium

Quote from: resq302 on May 23, 2011, 04:05:54 PM
Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on May 23, 2011, 03:54:49 PM
PCV valve should also be engine color and shouldnt have any clamps on the hose....

Damn, missed that.  Same for the grommit that gots into the valve cover for the pcv valve.

The grommet is painted, and I promise to take the clamp off.   ;D
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resq302

damn, the ripe old age of 35 is approaching fast and my eyes must be going blind!   :lol:
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

Richard Cranium

In regards to a date coded voltage regulator, what should the numbers be for a car produced on 4/27?

Thanks again!  :2thumbs:
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hemigeno

Quote from: Richard Cranium on May 24, 2011, 08:08:39 PM
In regards to a date coded voltage regulator, what should the numbers be for a car produced on 4/27?

Thanks again!  :2thumbs:

My  :Twocents: would be anything dated 169 (16th week of 1969) or earlier, within reason.


Richard Cranium

Thanks for all of the responses. Question about plating: Are all of the kickdown linkage rods and lower bellcrank supposed to be cad plated? Also, what plating should be on the throttle cable hold down, coil bracket, and distributer hold down?

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nascarxx29

Im thinking they were all a silver cad :Twocents:
1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

gtx6970

Kickdown linkages I believe to be natural steel with some kind of preservative or coating of some kind. Maybe some kind of residual oil coating left over from the stamping / forging process.  Same with the dist holdown. IMO they were not 'plated' so to speak

A dull silver cad plating might give a similar effect and offer some kind of protection from the elements

coil strap is clear zinc with 2 dark phosphate plated bolts

throttle cable retainer is also clear zinc with a phosphate hold down nut with a cative washer

PS- carb bolts had no washer btw and the upper hose is shaped like a 1968's 2806186

1969 should be 2863257 , IMO of course

Richard Cranium

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Richard Cranium

Here's where the car is at now. Other than a couple of pinholes in the trunk floor & a bad section of factory pinch welds, the underneath is in great shape.
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moparstuart

GO SELL CRAZY SOMEWHERE ELSE WE ARE ALL STOCKED UP HERE

randr

I'm Bored! what to do next......

DC_1


Mopar John

That bottom side looks to be in real good shape! Way above the average! :2thumbs:
MJ


Richard Cranium

Quote from: Mopar John on June 04, 2011, 09:28:26 AM
That bottom side looks to be in real good shape! Way above the average! :2thumbs:
MJ



Here's a couple "before" pictures...

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