Coming back to reality/senses

[G-man]

Hi guys

You all heard/read what im tryng to do/where im trying to go with my muscle car/ferrari Idea.

Well having spoken to enough people, got enough opinions, the conclusion I got is this.


To buy an exotc car (lamborghini DIablo, Ferrari F355, even a Bugatti Veyron/Enzo Ferrari/Porche GT Carrera/GT3 etc) For the purpose of 'handling better than a dodge charger with $200 000 thrown at it' is a stupid idea.

Reason being - THose cars dont handle that great either compare to race cars.

My conclusion is this

In reality, if I am after the maximum performance on a race track to just 'fly' at Gs.

Im better off spending $100 000 on an older model F1 car. It will run circles around a 2 milion dollar Veyron. It will give the ultimate handling experience cause guess what, ITS AN F1 CAR.

Thats the ultimate I can get for 'track fun'.

That means as far as street is concerned,

The only thing that will be used is 'straight line' performance. And when I go to the track, take the F1 car with me (not the muscle car, not the Exotic idea I had either as its not much better).

SO that in my understanding means...

U buy an exotic car for what it 'is' (just like u have a muscle car for what it is, rather than what they are not as stated by many people).

So
A: Buy the car you like the look of most (Diablo, Ferrari, Lotus, Dodge Charger, whatever)
B: Make it go fast in a straight line with plenty HP to be fun
C: Leave it at home and use your race car for the track to get the ultimate experience there.

That way you got something really fun for street use (750hp 68 CHarger, 700hp Lamborghini Diablo whatever)

And you got the max fun you can get for track fun (F1 car).

And having these 2 will be cheaper than trying to modify a street car to perform the way it never will. Got best of both worlds this way and cheaper to achieve.

Considering this

Charger has back seats (exotics dont), Charger has space to fill up the trunk to go camping with (forget the exotic for this, no trunk), with a 8.6 Litre 528ci Hemi cranking out 700HP, thats going to be anything but slow. Will it handle like an exotic? Doesnt matter, the exotic aint going track either, thats what the F1 car is for.

So realy just get what I like the feel of... yes the exotic will be just as quick as the charger if it had 700hp cause its much lighter, looks different, totaly different feel inside the car, totaly different experience.

So forget buying exotics or modifying the charger  for race, get F1 car for that, and keep the dodge or get the Lambo/Ferrari if I prefer the 'look' of those cars and the way they feel. Nothing else as both the dodge/exotic will be used the same way, street driving, with hard acceleration and thats all. Comes to track day, take the F1 car (or a purpose built race car that would run circles around any exotic car)

Thanks for everything though... If I didnt go on this wild goose chase I never woulda seen things this way.

So I just gotta decide now whether I want the Charger with 700hp and a race car for track or whether I would still prefer a Lambo/Ferrari with 700hp and a race car for track.

[charger Downunder]

Hi George,
Coming back to reality/senses Your still not there yet. 

[Silver R/T]

If you have more than than brains you can buy whatever you want

[adauto]

Whatever rocks your world..... 

[Laxy]

Mate, buying an F1 car is not coming back to reality!!? My head hurts after reading that. If you want a track car you've gotta start out with something cheap and slow so you don't kill yourself.

[SFRT]

Believe in the power of meth!

[freddyd02]

Wow what terrible decisions you have to make.. Cant believe you have to choose between a 700hp Charger or a Ferrari, your life must be horrible.. wait i think i hear a tiny little violin playing.. 

[bull]

So I just gotta decide now whether I want the Charger with 700hp and a race car for track or whether I would still prefer a Lambo/Ferrari with 700hp and a race car for track.

I'm going to ignore the F1 business because I really don't know where you are going with that. Why anyone would want to spend $100k on a weekend go-kart is beyond me. Also, the maintenance on an F1, Ferrari, Bugatti, Lamborghini, etc., is going to kill you unless you make $500k/year. You just look at any of those mid engine exotic cars cross-eyed and it's a $1,000 bill. Anyway, you're here asking a bunch of Charger owners if you should buy a 700 hp Charger or a 700 hp Lambo/Ferrari. Well, I guess I'd have to say go with the Charger. Unless you live in Italy the Charger is going to cost a lot less money to build, upgrade and maintain.

[Mike DC]

   
Welcome back to the Charger world.  Sorry if we gave you a hard time about leaving. 


IMHO there is one way to go fast - a small lightweight vehicle that's cheap to fix/replace.  Any significant deviance from this basic formula will work to take some of the fun out of it. 

[440]

Why not just buy a 2nd Charger or any other car you like the look of and turn it into a race car to start with. Even an older F1 car wont be cheap to run by any means. A "normal" race car for lack of a better term will be MUCH cheaper to run and just as fun. 

If you want speed thrills that will knock your socks off why not buy a Shifter Kart ? That will be plenty to thrill you and is like F1 of the carting world at a fraction of the price.....

[RallyeMike]

How long have you been trying to figure this out?

[Darkman]

Why not just buy a 2nd Charger

If he hasn't sold his red one by now, then he does have 2 68's!

[doctor4766]

I think a mid life crisis is inevitable here

[charger Downunder]

Why not just buy a 2nd Charger

If he hasn't sold his red one by now, then he does have 2 68's!

Yep he has Two 68 Chargers and a 70 Challenger the red one is still sitting at my place and its a manual 4 speed.
George have you learned how to drive a manual (stick shift) yet.? As you will need to know for the track.

[440]

Is his red one as nice as his blue one ?

[G-man]

No its not AS nice as the Blue Charger.

All I meant by the whole ordeal, was not that I should go and buy an F1 car. I meant if racing was something im serious about, then I could buy a 'race' car of some sort that would be faster than any exotic, rather than trying to make exotics or these muscle cars something there not.

On the other hand, a good sugestion made was, Keep the car I love to cruise in (whether thats the 68 or an exotic), drive up to a race track with that  cool street car, hire out a race car for the day, drive it, have fun, leave the tuning/maintenence car behind and sit back in my street car and drive home.

If I find myself racing alot, then, I can go look into buying a 'race' car. If its not something done often, then Im cheaper off hiring one out and leaving the maintenence/storage/tuning issues to them. Have fun with it for the day and leave it behind.

[Laxy]

Learning to drive a manual might be a good start to your racing career.

What's the story with the 70 Challenger? Still registered? I'd be putting a lot of miles on the 2 Chargers and the Challengers before making any decisions, having you taken them down the strip? Done a club day at a track etc? Gone on car cruises? Really gotten into the Mopar community?

That is a collection of Mopar muscle to die for... less time thinking about car dreams from primary school and more time enjoying what you have might change your mind for good.

[doctor4766]

Learning to drive a manual might be a good start to your racing career.

What's the story with the 70 Challenger? Still registered? I'd be putting a lot of miles on the 2 Chargers and the Challengers before making any decisions, having you taken them down the strip? Done a club day at a track etc? Gone on car cruises? Really gotten into the Mopar community?

That is a collection of Mopar muscle to die for... less time thinking about car dreams from primary school and more time enjoying what you have might change your mind for good.

Well said

[440]

Exactly, how many people would kill to have the cars he has ?

[Brock Samson]

No its not AS nice as the Blue Charger.

All I meant by the whole ordeal, was not that I should go and buy an F1 car. I meant if racing was something im serious about, then I could buy a 'race' car of some sort that would be faster than any exotic, rather than trying to make exotics or these muscle cars something there not.

On the other hand, a good sugestion made was, Keep the car I love to cruise in (whether thats the 68 or an exotic), drive up to a race track with that  cool street car, hire out a race car for the day, drive it, have fun, leave the tuning/maintenence car behind and sit back in my street car and drive home.

If I find myself racing alot, then, I can go look into buying a 'race' car. If its not something done often, then Im cheaper off hiring one out and leaving the maintenence/storage/tuning issues to them. Have fun with it for the day and leave it behind.

   

[six-tee-nine]

Dude what are U smoking?

If you have Bugatti Veyron money in your hands, then stop whining and go shopping. I would like to have a track car for pleasure but I would try to buy a late 80's or early 90's touring car or a race oriented Porsche 911. When you're stuck in traffic every day you can have fun in such a pocket rocket on a race track.

[HeavyFuel]

Gman, your posts are worth reading  just for the pure entertainment value.

But I gotta ask, did a pile of money fall out of the sky and land on you?  Most finacially successful people don't have scattered thought patterns like you seem to have, so this must be old money were talking about here.  Or maybe you hit the lottery.  

I mean, really, do you think that the regular folks at this site, which is dedicated to loving the classic muscle Charger, really give a hoot if you want buy a supercar of some flavor?  

You don't happen to be bipolar, are you?  

[twodko]

Believe in the power of meth!

[G-man]

Biploar?   No.

No lottery. Ive started business and within the next 12 months I will have the funds for a Ferrari.

The only reason I mentioned what I did was to go off what I asked last time about 'selling' all my Chargers, Buying a ferrari as it 'handles better'.

Obviously after research and many opinions (from ferrari etc owners), id be absolutelly MAD to modify them in any way. They also said these cars are not race cars... sure they handle a lot better than standard street cars but are still 'street cars'. It was them who mentioned if Im going for straight out performance to not waste money on an Exotic car and just buy a race car for 1/3rd of the price and it will run circles around exotics. It was these exotic owners that said "u buy a ferrari because u have a passion for that sort of car" its not about numbers on a skid pad or numbers in a quarter mile (as race cars would do this alot better for a lot less $).

So going off that, I already got a beautiful street car, 68 Charger. Since the exotic wont be used any other way than the charger, then the numbers become irrelivant. All that becomes relivant is how it feels when the pedals down to the ground (and both muscle/exotic will be extremelly quick)

So the point was going off my last post about selling charger to get something that 'handles' has become obsolete cause exotics (even a Veyron) doesnt handle like a race car which costs thousands and thousands (milion in case of veyron) less.

So all Im left with is, do u want a ferrari as a cruising car with 500hp, or do u want to be seen in a charger with 500-600hp.

[Cooperman]