2011 Charger R/T Vs Real General Lee

[Mike DC]

 

Modern cars just have too much everything.  It's not enough to build a sports car that rides quieter than an old sports car.  Nowadays the sports car has to do it better than the best old luxury car used to.  Same with everything else it does, from sound system, to insulation, to temp control, to gas mileage, to crashworthiness . . .

We could potentially build modern cars that do one job WAY better than they used to, and also do all the other jobs somewhat better than they used to.  I would love that.  But the market doesn't want that.

   

[Kern Dog]

SMALL segments of the market DO want lightweight performance.
Can you imagine a stripped down 6.4L Challenger?
Rubber floor mat, manual windows (NOT much lighter than power, by the way) manual vinyl seats, without  A/C . Sorta like the 68 HEMI Dart/Barracuda cars...Maybe a legitimate 11 second car that still runs clean and gets 25 mpg on the freeway. Not bad.

[Mike DC]

I remember a drift-car team that was using a production 4dr Charger unibody, and they managed to get the final drift car 1000 pounds lighter than the dealership car.  Pretty impressive loss when you remember than the drift car basically needs to keep the full suspension & drivetrain and also gets an extensive rollcage.   

[bull]

Any one know the GL?  Board member?

Or more importantly, the VIN. Right Chris?

[mikesbbody]

However, anybody in this forum and a lot of other people out there would take the '69 over the 2011 anyday. 

I don't associate with anyone who would turn down a good 69.

I'll take the 69 Thanks 

[Drache]

SMALL segments of the market DO want lightweight performance.
Can you imagine a stripped down 6.4L Challenger?
Rubber floor mat, manual windows (NOT much lighter than power, by the way) manual vinyl seats, without  A/C . Sorta like the 68 HEMI Dart/Barracuda cars...Maybe a legitimate 11 second car that still runs clean and gets 25 mpg on the freeway. Not bad.

Dodge was supposed to have a Drag Pak option for the Challenger including a V-10 engine under the hood. No idea if they ever came out with it.

[earthquake68]

I'm the evil opposite of safer cars. I KNOW I'll get hammered for this, but over population is a problem too. Build the older style car and let the idiots kill themselves off that don't know how to drive. Accidents don't "just happen". Somewhere there was a large error in judgment. I've been accident free for over 20 years of driving. That includes a half million miles in a commercial vehicle and many winters up in Pennsylvania. MOST of the vehicles I've driven DON'T have anti-lock brakes, ride control, air bags, or even air conditioning. I know how to avoid a collision. It takes patience, discipline, and vigilance. How close do you follow the guy in front you? At say 55 mph, is there 5.5 car lengths between you and the guy in front of you? No? ...You dumb@$$, that's called tail gating. You need anti-lock brakes. Don't say it's impossible to maintain that distance. I've done it for over 20 years. Do you still do the speed limit or still speed when the road is wet? Yeah, you dummy, you need the traction control computer. The government stepped in because the general public is getting dumber. We need technology to compensate for them. Either they die in a car crash or die in a natural disaster. The universe won't let over population happen. We aren't killing ourselves off enough anymore so whatever power you believe in is doing it for us. Earthquakes, tsunami's, wild fire, floods, etc. The biggest peeve I have is someone saying we need safer cars. We don't! We need safer drivers!! When a person comes in my shop and says, "My brakes are making a noise" and I find they've been metal to metal for so long, half the vents in the rotor are worn away, it aggravates me. That means that some oblivious senators son is gonna do the same thing and die in an accident and presto! We have mandatory brake thickness sensors on cars. No @$$hole!!! PAY ATTENTION TO YOUR CAR!!! Leave the responsibility where it belongs! In the driver's lap!

I'm a gear head, not a car guy, not a motor head. I'm a die hard gear head. I would rather smell gasoline and exhaust through the open window from the loud exhaust of a big block through a four speed, than quietly listen to classical music on my digital surround sound 1,000 watt car stereo with the A/C blowing in my face. My daily driver truck right now doesn't even HAVE a working radio. The tractor trailer I drove had the radio stolen. and I drove over the road for TWO YEARS in silence. I don't need technology to compensate for me or my poor habits. I don't fool with climate control settings, I don't fool with seat adjustments, or the stereo controls. I just drive when I get behind the wheel. Keep your damn government off my hotrods and pay attention to YOUR driving so we won't need all this legislation for the automotive industry.

Ok, I think I'm done now. Sorry for the long winded rant, ....well, no I'm not. It's just how I feel.

.....and I'd take the '69 over the new one ANY day for the record.

[Road Dog]

Completely agree with you. I'm accident free in driving old cars since the 70's. I've lost brakes twice (e- brake too) and a stuck accelerator as well.
I think modern cars with all the crap on them has made for non-thinking lazy drivers.

[tan top]

Completely agree with you. I'm accident free in driving old cars since the 70's. I've lost brakes twice (e- brake too) and a stuck accelerator as well.
I think modern cars with all the crap on them has made for non-thinking lazy drivers.

i think put the average 17 - 25-30 year old in a 40 year old muscle car  or any rear wheel drive with out ABS & stuff , & see how long its takes them to have a wreck ! especially in the wet 

[DustinSimmonds]

Completely agree with you. I'm accident free in driving old cars since the 70's. I've lost brakes twice (e- brake too) and a stuck accelerator as well.
I think modern cars with all the crap on them has made for non-thinking lazy drivers.

i think put the average 17 - 25-30 year old in a 40 year old muscle car  or any rear wheel drive with out ABS & stuff , & see how long its takes them to have a wreck ! especially in the wet 

*cough* I'm 19 *cough* I can handle them just fine.

[bull]

Completely agree with you. I'm accident free in driving old cars since the 70's. I've lost brakes twice (e- brake too) and a stuck accelerator as well.
I think modern cars with all the crap on them has made for non-thinking lazy drivers.

Yup, make the cars fool proof and they're just make a better fool.

[tan top]

Completely agree with you. I'm accident free in driving old cars since the 70's. I've lost brakes twice (e- brake too) and a stuck accelerator as well.
I think modern cars with all the crap on them has made for non-thinking lazy drivers.

i think put the average 17 - 25-30 year old in a 40 year old muscle car  or any rear wheel drive with out ABS & stuff , & see how long its takes them to have a wreck ! especially in the wet  

*cough* I'm 19 *cough* I can handle them just fine.

   
was not ment to offend any one , just saying someone who has grown up driving modern front wheel drive even something  that is 20 years old is superior in driver aid  compared to our type of cars , s
seen it  many times

[MaximRecoil]

I'm the evil opposite of safer cars. I KNOW I'll get hammered for this, but over population is a problem too. Build the older style car and let the idiots kill themselves off that don't know how to drive. Accidents don't "just happen". Somewhere there was a large error in judgment.

First, accidents can "just happen". A mechanical failure can cause an accident with no error in judgment required, as can a deer/moose/whatever placing itself suddenly into your path. For example, I hit a deer out of the air once as it was in the process of jumping across the road at night, precisely into the front of my truck which was going ~55 MPH.

Second, the other guy's mechanical failure and/or error in judgment can cause you to be in an accident right along with him. A typical accident that involves multiple vehicles usually only has one that was at fault.

If idiots only ever harmed themselves, no one would worry about e.g. drunk driving, and that presents a problem for your "let the idiots kill themselves off that don't know how to drive" line of reasoning.

[Kern Dog]

Earthquake 68:
I like your manner of thinking. I dont want more government involvement either. Its not just the increased safety that is standing in the way of Darwinism... Look at the modern pharmaceutical products, early cancer detection and the sharing of information we never had before.
My life, or at least my FACE was saved by an airbag in 2007. I was travelling down the road when an illegal hispanic without a license broadsided me and deflected me onto a concrete filled steel pole. The bumper was "horseshoe'd" and the Hemi was shoved into the firewall. BOTH airbags deployed. I was completely unhurt. I was also NOT at fault. I agree that we need safer drivers, but sometimes the safe cars DO protect innocent people.

[Mikesmoparperformance]

Awesome I love it!! Looks like LEE 3 is Alive and Well That car was also a 440 ci R/T as well
Thats kidding thats not LEE 3 But a nice Real General lee I don't know the car by the way Any one know the owner?
Cool test the 69 Charger wins every time!

2011 is nice car but still not a Charger

The 69 charger wins ad a cool factor why do the test Everybody knows that haha
Cool to see do

[MaximRecoil]

Awesome I love it!! Looks like LEE 3 is Alive and Well That car was also a 440 ci R/T as well
Thats kidding thats not LEE 3 But a nice Real General lee I don't know the car by the way Any one know the owner?

I don't know who owns it, but I assume it is the R/T that Wayne Wooten almost kept for himself when he did that deal with Warner Brothers in the early '90s. Out of the 17 General Lees in that deal, there was only one R/T, but it was rough and the chassis had been tweaked from a jump or something. He was going to keep it for himself until he was shown the nice-condition first unit "closeup car". Assuming that's the car, it must have been refurbished; had its chassis straightened and some bodywork done at least:

Finally, in March of 1991, the studio called and said the deal was done, come and get the cars! Wayne was soon back in California to oversee the loading and delivering of the cars to their new homes. When Wayne arrived, 17 General Lee Chargers had been neatly lined up, ready for shipment, looking much better than the first time he saw them.

The car Wayne picked for himself was one of the rougher ones to be found, the only R/T Charger in the lot. It was a sad sight though - it had one '68 fender, numerous dents and battle scars, and the underside was scrunched by a jump it had apparently done. The transportation boss showed up just as the loading began and asked Wayne if he had seen his car yet. Wayne said yes, pointing to the wrecked R/T. "No way! That's not your car Wayne, that's your car over there" he said, pointing to another much nicer car. To keep it short, Wayne ended up with one of the original Chargers used for close-up filming, which is itself a whole other story.

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I don't see how it could be any General Lee other than the R/T that was among the 17, because those 17 cars make up the vast majority of series General Lees still known to exist, and of the ones known to exist that were not among those 17, I don't think any of them are R/Ts.

[UH60L]

SMALL segments of the market DO want lightweight performance.
Can you imagine a stripped down 6.4L Challenger?
Rubber floor mat, manual windows (NOT much lighter than power, by the way) manual vinyl seats, without  A/C . Sorta like the 68 HEMI Dart/Barracuda cars...Maybe a legitimate 11 second car that still runs clean and gets 25 mpg on the freeway. Not bad.

Dodge was supposed to have a Drag Pak option for the Challenger including a V-10 engine under the hood. No idea if they ever came out with it.

Pretty sure they did, but I think it was a bit spendy, and as I recall.....not street legal.  So basically you have to be able to afford a brand new race car that you can't drive anywhere, and need to haul to the track.