2011 Charger R/T Vs Real General Lee

[Drache]

http://www.insideline.com/dodge/charger/2011/2011-dodge-charger-rt-vs-the-general-lee.html

*I did a quick search and didn't see this so I posted it, sorry if it's a repost*

[Patronus]

At least the guy driving the '69 had a moustache.

[chargd72]

Yeah, well take a computer from 40 years ago and match it up with what's available today.  Or any electrical device, or appliance for that matter.  Of course they will consistently be out performed thru natural timeline advancements.  However, anybody in this forum and a lot of other people out there would take the '69 over the 2011 anyday. 

[Brock Samson]

 no word on the build of that '69,.. the stopping distance of the new one is pretty respectable being as it's so damn heavy, roughly 3-400 Lbs more than the '69, not bad for a sedan, I wonder how the SRT/8 Chally would do... 
thanks for posting! 

[Richard Cranium]

However, anybody in this forum and a lot of other people out there would take the '69 over the 2011 anyday. 

I don't associate with anyone who would turn down a good 69.

[Back N Black]

But, can a 2011 jump a creek???

[Drache]

But, can a 2011 jump a creek???

Let's find out! Any volunteers? 

[Richard Cranium]

Are we sure that's a "real" General Lee and not a clone?

[BananaDan]

According to the article, it is one of the remaining few survivors from the show.

Dan

[Drache]

According to the article, it is one of the remaining few survivors from the show.

Dan

Verified by Cooter himself.

[Mike DC]

   
The GL is 3700 lbs.  The new car is 4300 lbs.  Wow.

[Richard Cranium]

   
The GL is 3700 lbs.  The new car is 4300 lbs.  Wow.

Just like everything in America today; it's supersized.

[bull]

How shocking it is to learn that technology has advanced in the past 42 years.

[G-man]

Thats pretty pathetic for the new charger. I mean, 43 years later, with 17" wheels and bigger brake options and better everything that is available, its not much better than what was offered back then. All that shows me is that the 69 is actually better. If we were to take todays techonology and add to the 69, im sure it would wipe the floor with the new one.

[Road Dog]

I thought the new Charger would do better in the cones. I'd much rather have the more hands on car.

[tan top]

According to the article, it is one of the remaining few survivors from the show.

Dan

survivor from the show    ,  no telling the mechanical  condition  should of run it against a completely restored  OEM type resto   

nice car the 2011 , but not a charger 

[Sabre]

I always hate it when they compare a General Lee whether it's a clone or a suvivor compared to a modern car.  Or if they list the "stats" of the General Lee like they did on the DVD's.

For instance the General Lee in that video has a 440, it's not exactly in tip top shape.  It's 0-60 is 6.2 okay fine but the General Lee on the show wasn't just some custom painted 69 Charger.  People seem to forget this.  I know the car on the show was in a way mythical, it could jump great distances undamaged but my point is this..

-The General Lee on the show had a souped up 440.  Just how souped up is never revealed, but there are clues peppered throughout the show.  "A little game of pool" General Lee does 25mph-55mph in 2.5 seconds.  In "Duke vs Duke" General Lee races against Cooter's 69 Chevelle that is said to have more than 500hp.  Not to mention episodes where Bo and Luke are testing new cam shafts, custom sway bars, shocks etc.  Basically the General Lee is a highly modified dirt track race car.

So I feel these comparisons are unfair because they are not really comparing a "General Lee" they are comparing a bone stock Charger with a GL paint scheme.  I'd like to see a "General Lee" with a souped up 440, custom sway bars, etc do the same test and see what the results would be.

[DustinSimmonds]

I thought it was entertaining, and i'm leaving it at that! 

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Any one know the GL?  Board member?

[tricky lugnuts]

"I thought it was entertaining"

I agree: I always love these kind of comparisons.

For my the new Charger did pretty poorly, having a full 40 years, almost half a century, of engineering and technology in its corner.

Give me $35K or $40K and I think I could build a 1969 Charger that would blow away the 2011 - - - in maybe everything except fuel mileage.

I always liked this video, 2010 Challenger vs. 1970 Challenger with Hotchkis upgrades:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvnRmtsQJM8&playnext=1&list=PL05616FB65BA369E2

[DustinSimmonds]

Also keep im mind this is a 2011 R/T not a SRT, which is still only a 392 cubic inch. Not quite a 440. 

[Cooter]

I especially liked the comment about "Dating women with teeth" in the 2011 Charger....Obviously, the person who wrote this up, didn't watch the show, or is more ignorant than this comparison....No matter how they try, the "new" Charger will never compete with the early one even if they are just sitting still....Try as they might, can't be done...

[Nacho-RT74]

Also keep im mind this is a 2011 R/T not a SRT, which is still only a 392 cubic inch. Not quite a 440. 

but tecnology difference... barellyyyyy 40 years difference

( however, even older, more cool!!! )

They can compare also a 69 Charger with any 1929 Dodge ( also 40 years difference ) and check the results.

which one will get better results ?

[DustinSimmonds]

What I mean is, with the advancement of tech, a 345 cubic inch 2011 engine can beat a 440 cubic inch 1969 engine. Imagine what a modern 440 would be able to do! 

[Kern Dog]

Its short sighted and ignorant to complain that "New cars should have been better by now".  The automakers are under tremendous pressures to produce vehicles that satisfy far more requirements TODAY than they did in 1969. Sure, the 2011 cars dont do zero to 60 in 3 seconds. They also dont pollute nearly as much as the old cars. They also dont need to have tune ups every 15,000 miles. They dont require 110 octane "Ethyl" fuel. They dont drain the gas tank at a rate of 8 miles per gallon. They STOP in distances 3 car lengths SHORTER from 60 mph. Theres your advancements you can see.
I have only been a member here a short time, but at 45 I have been around cars my whole life. I own a classic car that has been updated with better suspension, brakes and steering . It rides and handles well but cannot compare to the COMFORT that a new car offers. Long rides in a car like mine are really best for real car guys and most of Americas men do NOT fit into that category.
The feds have placed unrealistic demands on automakers to lower emissions, increase safety and improve fuel economy. How the hell can you do all of that? Crumple zones, air bags and side impact beams add weight which hurt fuel economy. Tune an engine to produce fewer emissions and it too slow to move the car up to a safe speed. Its a juggling act.
You think that the automakers dont notice that lighter cars get better fuel economy and perform better? Where would you like to reduce the weight? Fiberglass body panels? Sure... they would only cost a few hundred dollars more to produce PER car, but then do they compromise the crash worthiness? The new cars have miles of wiring to control the numerous computers on board, plus the air bags, power seats, windows, moonroof, adjustable side mirrors, rear window wiper, etc. The new cars have heavy sound deadening material because we have grown to appreciate the reduced noise levels.
In 1985 I worked at a Chevy dealer and the new 3 cylinder Chevy Sprint was just introduced. This is the car that later became known as the Geo Metro. In 85 it was rated at 49 mpg city and 53 highway with the 5 speed trans. Yes, those numbers are correct. It was a very small, very light car that was cheap to buy and own, built by Suzuki. Oddly, it was actually a peppy car to drive as well. As the years rolled on, more crap was added, it got heavier, slower and the mileage ratings went down until it went out of production sometime in the 90s. Part of what killed the car was Americans wanting more creature comforts, but the feds were also to blame. Increases in safety and crash test standards were steadily being implemented in the 90s and the Sprint/Metro would have been too expensive to update to meet the requirements.
With my political beliefs, I am one of the last people that you will hear saying that we need MORE government involvement, but I think that it actually is BECAUSE the feds stepped in that cars today are faster, safer, less polluting and get better mileage than My Charger. Yeah, The new hot rods are heavy. Buy one, strip it down and see how you like driving it THEN!