MOPARTS, what do you think of it?

[greenpigs]

 They canned a MOD and now are cracking down on people having links to personal websites that sell products who are not sponsors. Monte Smith posted he is leaving MOPARTS because they want $600 a year for him to keep his NOS logo in his signature. He said it isn't even a link but yet they want the money.
 I like searching the site for my many questions I have & I can only bug Ron so much before I feel like a pest.

Posts are removed THEY don't like & I have one of mine edited because it was to aggressive I guess. The post was about urban survival or something and I said: a well placed .22 is better than a miss with a .45 any day. The same thread had other members say roughly the same thing but are old timers so they are exempt I suppose  

[mikesbbody]

I'm not a Member there and never will be. I lurk sometimes and there's some interesting stuff mainly in regards to new products etc but I think this picture sums it up Troy and DC is on the left, Moparts and whoever run that are on the right 

[BrianShaughnessy]

If you want to have SPAM free forums,  then everybody has to play by the rules.   The problem with Moparts is that Tom is a really good guy and there's a bunch of trolls out there that don't seem to think rules apply to them.  Not saying Monte is a troll,  but whatever...  the end result is that they always slink off to some other forum and bitch about Tom.  I've met and talked to Tom several times - he is a good guy . 

So Monte's choices were to either change the sig file / avatar and put any job / business info into his profile,  or become a paid advertiser.  He chose to be a Cartman.

I like the tech and the classifieds and that...  but the place has a lot of post whores that clog up the general forum with all their whining - just like every other site has their post whores     Well, between that and the
people that just haven't grown up and learned how to handle themselves like an adult yet.

But just for the heck of it... here's the link to the moparts info...  http://www.moparts.org/moparts/info.html#question   
Here's the gist of it regarding the general forum - it's a good read :

MOPARTS GENERAL BOARD.

In the past, MOPARTS operated with a single discussion board. This system worked well enough until MOPARTS became more popular. When we updated the board a couple years ago, the MOPARTS GENERAL BOARD was added as a place to post non-tech auto information (i.e.. what color should I paint my car, what wheels look best, who's going to such-n-such a show, look what I did/bought, etc). Of course, there were, & still are, off-topic posts showing up every day. Many of these posts are questions & commentary about everyday life, & with our diverse membership, help is seldom more than a few minutes away.

However, as of late, there seems to be a stronger & stronger undercurrent of animosity being freely posted by a few members who, from the administration's point of view, are only trying to create an atmosphere of confrontation & intimidation. SUCH BEHAVIOR WILL NOT BE TOLERATED ON MOPARTS!

The purpose of this post is to inform ALL members that the MOPARTS GENERAL BOARD is here for our discussion of not only cars & all that is associated with them, but also about our lives as "car people" in general. As is written in the posting agreement that all members agreed to when signing up on MOPARTS: There will be NO discussions on the subjects of SEX, RELIGION, POLITICS or GUNS as these subjects all too quickly turn into name calling, personal insult hurling tirades which do more to damage a board's credibility than help & alienate members in the process.

We would also ask at this time that EVERYONE notice at the bottom of this & every post/reply on MOPARTS, the three small icons there. The buttons are, from left to right: PRINT PAGE, REMIND ME, & (most importantly) NOTIFY MODERATOR. By clicking on this (NOTIFY MODERATOR) button, all moderators will receive an E-mail with a DIRECT LINK to the post in question. We ask that if ANYONE sees/reads a post/response that does not follow the spirit of MOPARTS, PRESS THAT BUTTON!

If one of your posts/responses does get deleted, the reason was that the moderator determined that the action taken was in the best interest of Moparts.

To those who are tempted to respond to a post/response in a less than mature & friendly way, we ask that you ignore the post/poster, send your response via PM or E-mail, or use the NOTIFY MODERATOR button. MOPARTS is STILL a "family friendly" & will remain so. If you feel you MUST post about a forbidden subject, or your post may not be accepted by parents with young children (remember, we have MANY on MOPARTS), then PLEASE post elsewhere. The WWW is quite large & there are boards for every subject under the sun, where your questions/comments will be welcomed.

Yes, the posting guidelines on MOPARTS can be construed as "vague" & that is the way the administration wants things. Your best "posting guideline" should be something like: Never post something on the board that you wouldn't say to a stranger TO THEIR FACE, as a guest in someone's (in this case, it's Tom's) living room. Tom has graciously invited all MOPAR fans to his "house" here at MOPARTS & all we ask in return is that you behave accordingly.

Thank you for your time & understanding!

[jb666]

I've opened three threads there.  All three were deleted without warning. One was my BK thread....

[Cooter]

You have the "elite" Mopar community and then you have the rest...Moparts is the "elite" and I have never fit in there...So, as a result, I don't post even though i'm a member..I do think it's wrong that an "Inflammatory" Thread is posted, only when the object of the inflaming gets wind of it and responds, does it become a problem..Otherwise, one guy posting doesn't seem to get the mods attention. It's only when someone returns the b**ch slap is when the thread goes bye..It's like this on a number of boards. I guess I can understand it though, as an admin. of my own forum, I know all too well about the trolls. Some peoples b*lls tend to get bigger when they sit behind a keyboard...

[69CoronetRT]

It depends on what you want. Other sites have their strengths but Moparts is still the best site for overall accurate information due to the concentration of number of members, experience of the members and research of restorations. Body or make specific sites can't offer the wide range of information that Moparts does. That's just not their focus. Undermoderated sites get out of hand and become unenjoyable.

Every site has its 'problem children'. There are just more on Moparts due to the side of the membership.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

It depends on what you want. Other sites have their strengths but Moparts is still the best site for overall accurate information due to the concentration of number of members, experience of the members and research of restorations. Body or make specific sites can't offer the wide range of information that Moparts does. That's just not their focus. Undermoderated sites get out of hand and become unenjoyable.

Every site has its 'problem children'. There are just more on Moparts due to the side of the membership.

I concur

[NHCharger]

I know Tom the owner. He's a really nice guy. I'm sure some of the sponsors who pay to have their ads on moparts weren't happy with the members who had business links in their sig line for free. Purely a business decision.
Moparts has so many members that it is a full time job beating down all the trolls and keyboard commandos. There's about 20-30 members there that seem to derail every other thread into a discussion about penguins or how sunny the weather is in California compared to everywhere else. The problem is it's tiring and time consuming to try and read anything of interest on that site.

[69CoronetRT]

There's about 20-30 members there that seem to derail every other thread into a discussion about penguins or how sunny the weather is in California compared to everywhere else. The problem is it's tiring and time consuming to try and read anything of interest on that site.

That is a down side to the General board. Once I learned how to use the 'ignore user' button and learned who the thread stealers were, it became much more enjoyable.

[jb666]

I know Tom the owner. He's a really nice guy. I'm sure some of the sponsors who pay to have their ads on moparts weren't happy with the members who had business links in their sig line for free. Purely a business decision.
Moparts has so many members that it is a full time job beating down all the trolls and keyboard commandos. There's about 20-30 members there that seem to derail every other thread into a discussion about penguins or how sunny the weather is in California compared to everywhere else. The problem is it's tiring and time consuming to try and read anything of interest on that site.

I'm sure this is all true, and I'm sure he IS a nice guy. It can be tough when you have to watch trolls all the time, but what about those that go there to post legit topics only to have them deleted without warning?

To me it's just courtesy to have a message sent OR lock the topic and explain why. They are too quick to hit DELETE.

[Aero426]

It depends on what you want. Other sites have their strengths but Moparts is still the best site for overall accurate information due to the concentration of number of members, experience of the members and research of restorations.

Well said.    I've never had any trouble getting along over there.     

[John_Kunkel]

I pretty much agree with Moparts' policies including banning the product website links.

[Alaskan_TA]

Is it the largest all Mopar message board in the world? 

I am pretty sure it is. 

Don't like it? Don't go there. This is not rocket science. 

[Kern Dog]

I'm a member there and I enjoy the site. I was banned once due to a misunderstanding. Trying to deal with a moderator was like  being 8 years old and trying to deal with your parents. You have zero leverage and they can do what they want whether it is fair or not.
I agree with the confusion over all the stupid penguin references. What the heck is that? It seems that talking about the weather is a little like talking about dreams. Its only interesting to the person directly affected.
When I first signed up on Moparts, I really enjoyed the tech forum. I shared lots of info and helped lots of people. I also picked up alot of useful nuggets at the same time. The WIW section seems to be a fun way to insult ads posted by illiterate idiots and hillbilly restorations gone wrong.

[Nacho-RT74]

I become member of moparts just for one reason... searching for somebody helping me out on get a NOS quarter panel I got on ebay and being a LARGE comunity wasn't hard to find the help there allong with a guy in here. The guy on Moparts was able to ship it from Indiana up to Florida on his own truck. Casuality his Parents lives in Indiana and he lives in Florida. He had to visit his parents.

After that found every kind of ppl there... goods and bads, but I mostly enjoy the site. Not like this, or the 3rd gen board, but it is useful on lot of cases

[ChgrSteve67]

I visit from time to time but not often.

They do post their rules but there is a lot of selective enforcement going on. What is good for the goose is not good for the gander.

If you are not a friend of the mods you are a easy target if you post an opinion.

If you speak out against a paid sponsor then just write your ass goodbye.

I have had two financial dealings with members on moparts and both members ripped me off.
When I posted about it my posts were deleted without explanation.

Not that I need a mod to explain to me why.

[ChgrSteve67]

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[Chris G.]

If you speak out against a paid sponsor then just write your ass goodbye.

I have heard of that happening and it's completely ridiculous that they censor bad business just because money is paid to the site.

I think this new sponsor thing is not as big as some are making it out to be. You can still have links in your profile which is just a click away. I guess it all generated in the race section which I barely go to.

Tom must be raking in some serious dough from his site. You gotta wonder how Troy has held off from doing any sort of sponsors here. 

[NHCharger]

Don't like it? Don't go there. This is not rocket science. 

Some of us are gluttons for punishment.

[maxwellwedge]

The WIW section seems to be a fun way to insult ads posted by illiterate idiots and hillbilly restorations gone wrong.

And that is where the largest panel of buffoons congregates. A firing squad made up of mostly wannabee's that probably own a 73 Colt. Your stuff is worth 10 bucks but their stuff is worth 10's of thousands.

Good stuff on the resto forum usually.

[Khyron]

Tom must be raking in some serious dough from his site. You gotta wonder how Troy has held off from doing any sort of sponsors here. 

cause this site is about more then getting money?

[TK73]

Quit Moparts YEARS ago...

Viewed a tech post last week, first time in several years...

I don't like it, I don't go there. Simple.

[greenpigs]

 Mopars has nearly ever answer I have looked for so I guess it will go back too a search engine. If I can't find the answer I will post here.
 
  It isn't about staying away because I don't like it. This is more I hate what I was reading about so many members that used to post who left  because of the moderators & assholes.  

  Troy mentioned I think, he doesn't want a sponsor as he didn't want to deal with the politics that is allways going on at Moparts. If he ever SAID how much money & time it costs to run this site I missed that posting.

 Just out of curiosity I wonder if Troy has been approached yet by someone willing to sponsor this site. I am not asking for a $ amount or name just a yes or no.

[resq302]

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[hemi68charger]

As with life, you have to take everything with a grain of salt. Moparts is exposed to a lot more people than here because it isn't model-specific. With that being said, you end up with a much higher percentage of "jerks". There are countless threads in which something very innocent and benign turned into some viral and nasty. I've been on the attacked side of it before and will typically "defend" myself to a point. The thread and bozos will either be ignored by me or locked by a mod. I've even asked threads of mine to be locked. I have done this because there was still good information on it and it shouldn't be lost. There are good people over there and very smart ones. I get good information and also share my experience and knowledge. I can sifted through all the B.S. and like a duck with water on it's back, get just push forward. I refuse to let boneheads prevent me from enjoying the forum. I personally don't think they that frequent the board are elitest. If that's the case, maybe I'm guilty as charged? I know numerous people who participate in both and all of them are super people.

Moparts has a great classified section in my opinioin. Tom has done a fantastic job over there.

Due to my passion for Chargers, I'm slightly more connected to this board (as most here are). Like Tom, Troy should be placed on a pedestal for his work, effort and passion for the Charger Board. Let us not forget all the moderators that help as well on both forums..

Cheers,
Troy  

[mikepmcs]

What's MOPARTS?    

[firefighter3931]

I have a lot of friends on Moparts...as well as here of course. The Mod that got whacked is a great guy and i know him personally. He was the voice of reason and did a great job on the race forum  Big mistake giving Mike the boot, inmo 

As for the new "policy" regarding signature lines ; i find that rediculous. If some engine builder wants to state that he is a dealer for Indy/Edelbrock/Holley or whatever i see no problem. This is a small pittance for the tech info that these guys willingly share.

I posted my feelings on the op-ed thread started by Dan (Performance Only) and of course it got locked after several pages. This move will ultimately end up hurting the quality of tech because those guys will end up leaving and no longer share the information that is priceless. 

Moparts took a HUGE step in the wrong direction. 


Ron

[Khyron]

Good, then they will come here, Challenger-cuda.com or forabodies only.... we can toast marshmellows as the place burns.

[greenpigs]

Hey Ron

   How about getting Mike to stop in here from time to time? He would be great to have here as he knows his stuff and I have seen him help MANY people till they get the answer needed.


   Troy can give him a shirt.

[TK73]

Good, then they will come here, Challenger-cuda.com or forabodies only.... we can toast marshmellows as the place burns.

Cool, lets spread the wealth!!

Don't like Moparts

[Chad L. Magee]

I am a member on there (since late 1999-early 2000), but I use that term loosely anymore.  A few years ago, I tried to get some discussions going on in everyday topics that affect all of us (environmental, economic, etc. before the ban was placed on them) as a means to see how people there think as a collective whole.   The responses from some of the members was less than what I hoped for: disappointing to say the least.   Even got a few threats from the less evolved ones who felt threatened by my information on said subjects at hand.   So, I changed my perspective on this and typically don't start topics anymore on there, but will occasionally reply to them.  But, whenever I post information on a topic there, it gets the "kiss of death" (no further posts) and drops out of sight quicker than a submarine in the ocean.  It is almost funny to watch this happen again and again and again. ...

[TK73]

Yeah, I suppose political and religious discussions can be done on political and religious forums...

[TeeWJay426]

I registered there in late 2004, and in that time have all of 397 posts. Certainly had my run ins with their resident trolls and troublemakers, so I tend to lurk there more than post. Too many keyboard cowboys there ready to stir up a big pi$$ing contest at the drop of a hat. I have also met several great guys there, Tom himself included, and try to do as many of their New England get togethers as I can, because it's always a good time. Several of them are not members here, either. Still a lot of valuable tech info to be found there as well, which is why I do still lurk there quite a bit.

[Chad L. Magee]

Yeah, I suppose political and religious discussions can be done on political and religious forums...

The funny thing is that most of the topics that I posted about were neither of those, but became that way due to the postings of other members on that site.  Case in point: I posted data on heavy metal contamination in certain painted items being shipped over here from other countries as a warning to those who use those items.  Very quickly, it became politically charged, even when I was basically giving a heads up on the situation and what that can do to people who get exposed to it.....

[Brock Samson]

yeah, and that's never happened here... 

[Khyron]

yeah, and that's never happened here... 

shhhhhhhhhhh, don't kick out the pedestal

[Old Moparz]

Moparts is too busy in several forums, especially the general forum, but I visit mostly for the classifieds. I've never had any trouble with selling on that site & it's much, much better than ebay. The tech section is also good for a quick reply because of the volume of people, but DC.com is still the best place to hang out.


By the way, this topic has come up before. 

Moparts Rant:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,63355.0.html

[Rolling_Thunder]

I refuse to go there...      to be honest - there are good guys there but even back when i registered (2003-4) there were issues...      My views seemed to clash with quite a few people there...    seems like you either need to have big $$$ to get your name out there and get any semblance of respect...    anyway - seems that the general masses seem to be there for the wrong reasons...     

This site is a lot more lax and privately owned so the money and advertising isn't a big issue... 

[jb666]

When I pour gasoline on the fire and beat topics to death I can honestly say I've NEVER seen that happen around here!  

Fixed it for ya  

[Brock Samson]

When I pour gasoline on the fire and beat topics to death I can honestly say I've NEVER seen that happen around here!  

Fixed it for ya  

12 pictures of your box packing and your complaining about me?..  least i don't post arabic on skip's don't post on my thread post... How many responses to that thread you made there now?.. 

[jb666]

When I pour gasoline on the fire and beat topics to death I can honestly say I've NEVER seen that happen around here!  

Fixed it for ya  

12 pictures of your box packing and your complaining about me?..   least i don't post arabic on skip's don't post on my thread post... How many responses to that thread you made there now?..  

Aunt Flow in town buddy?

you don't like my box?  

You can't read Arabic? Apparently you are undereducated.

[clanton]

I think Ill join that site....wonder if they will like me 

[GunMetal]

 Oh boy, here it comes! 

[arrow]

I think Ill join that site....wonder if they will like me 

  doubt the loud mouths will like you - they dont even like themselves- which is most of the problem , otherwise Tom has a great site , this site has alot better atmosphere, guess we are short on self haters here !!!

[NHCharger]

had my run in with their resident troll

There, fixed it for ya Tom. When are you going to learn not to question the MOPAR GODS 

[TeeWJay426]

had my run in with their resident troll

There, fixed it for ya Tom. When are you going to learn not to question the MOPAR GODS 

HE was the resident A-Hole.... who, by the way, I heard has since been banned... big surprise there. He now hangs out at FABO, still the same name (and ego, I'm sure). Talk about a place that's nasty- I didn't last long there. He fits right in, I'm sure!

[Old Moparz]

Yesterday, I saw a topic on Moparts about someone who was ripped off by a guy in New York Sate. I decided to read it since I'm in NY, & wondered if I knew the thief, or at least wanted to learn about him & avoid him. The original poster doesn't have the best typing or grammar skills, but you can still read it & understand it enough to get his point.

But......

The people on Moparts decided that grammar & spelling will be the new point that has to be made in the topic, not the fact that someone was ripped off. It became a bitchfest with the grammar police clubbing the guy like they were the LA cops & he was Rodney King. 


Here's what typically happens at Moparts.....
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6521947&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

[Nacho-RT74]

I won't post about the battle I got on one thread on Moparts when I requested for something in General section

what actually I didn't care, since actually helped on clear some "faces" on the board

[PocketThunder]

Yesterday, I saw a topic on Moparts about someone who was ripped off by a guy in New York Sate. I decided to read it since I'm in NY, & wondered if I knew the thief, or at least wanted to learn about him & avoid him. The original poster doesn't have the best typing or grammar skills, but you can still read it & understand it enough to get his point.

But......

The people on Moparts decided that grammar & spelling will be the new point that has to be made in the topic, not the fact that someone was ripped off. It became a bitchfest with the grammar police clubbing the guy like they were the LA cops & he was Rodney King. 


Here's what typically happens at Moparts.....
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6521947&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

I read that one too.  And that shit goes on year round, not just becasue its still winter...   

[John_Kunkel]

The people on Moparts decided that grammar & spelling will be the new point that has to be made in the topic,

Would it be an issue if somebody came on this forum and posted in cryptic Arabic? Trying to decipher the meaning in a post like that one is like trying to read Arabic. Gives new meaning to "the dumbing down of America".

[Ponch ®]

Haven't posted on there (regularly) in over a year. I was on there from my home computer, just looking thru stuff, when all of a sudden my anti virus software started going nuts - my computer was being attacked by trojan viruses /worms. I heard it happened to a couple of other people. Since most of my board activity is while Im at work, I didn't want to risk the same thing happening to my work comp.

Otherwise, I never really felt "comfortable" there like I do here. Most of the reasons have already been brought up by others - too cliquey, selective enforcement of the rules, too much of that penguin nonsense, etc. I got myself "vacations" from there more than once for voicing an opinion that was different from the majority - on threads that shouldn't have been left open in the first place, since they were political in nature and they're against the rules, but it depends on who starts the thread and what their viewpoint is.

With that said, there are a lot of good people on there. I have to say, 99.9% of the folks from there that I've gotten to meet at shows and whatnot have been super nice and affable.

I still check in every now and then, like if I need to promote something, like the upcoming 25th anniversary of the CPW Spring Fling MOPAR show in Van Nuys, CA on April 16-17 (shameless plug  )

[tan top]

lot of  good info over there !!!  but just too time consuming to read every thing  , i can't even work the search thing properly
but full of helpfull guys just like on here    

[Ponch ®]

On the other hand, if you ask a question there you may get too many different answers, some of which will inevitably be "get rid of the 318 and go with a 440"

[greenpigs]

   Yep that's one of the drawbacks about MOPARTS, with so many people it doesn't take much to go off track. Then end up as 2 or 3 members telling each other they are right & the others wrong.

  I have found more than a few that give great advise, its just with the large number of people the jerk ratio is also higher.

  Moparts is great overall & I can ignore the posts that don't strike my interests easy enough.

[Nacho-RT74]

On the other hand, if you ask a question there you may get too many different answers, some of which will inevitably be "get rid of the 318 and go with a 440"

you can find the same here, so, thats not a valid difference

[Nacho-RT74]

   
  Moparts is great overall & I can ignore the posts that don't strike my interests easy enough.

dunno if great, but each one just need to get the propper filter according with the needs

[Old Moparz]

The people on Moparts decided that grammar & spelling will be the new point that has to be made in the topic,

Would it be an issue if somebody came on this forum and posted in cryptic Arabic? Trying to decipher the meaning in a post like that one is like trying to read Arabic. Gives new meaning to "the dumbing down of America".

I hate reading things people type in all caps, run on sentences, stupid LOL abbreviations, or grammar so bad that you have to give up. The difference to me, is that maybe one or two people will comment on it here, but on Moparts they go ballistic on each other like a daytime talk show.

At the construction company I work at, I get to work with people that come from all different educational backgrounds. Sometimes I meet engineers with 3 degrees that have no common sense & are arrogant as all hell. In some cases there might be a laborer that didn't finish high school. Maybe the 3 degree guy can type perfect & the laborer can't, but if the laborer has common sense & isn't an arrogant SOB, I'd rather talk with the laborer over a cup of coffee than the engineer.

Same goes for the guy on Moparts that got ripped off & is warning others. I'd rather decode what it is he is trying to say than to listen to the a-hole telling him he's an ignorant dumbass that caused his eyes to bleed reading his post. 

[RallyeMike]

Moparts is a great source for information due to the large amount of users. If there is some insignificant detail about Mopars that exists, someone there has knowledge of it. Otherwise, for me, it's just too big to try and keep up with.

Sure they have their share of a-holes just like everywhere you go in life, though more so because of the safety offered by anonymity and distance, but you just call it for what it is and move along.