Follow the Welfare money......

[Richard Cranium]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wElqMl5TJM&feature=player_embedded

[RECHRGD]

That guy has no compassion for the needy..... Geeeeze

[PocketThunder]

those atm welfare cards are a good idea for data tracking arent they.

[nvrbdn]

they just said on the news that they found 31 people living in the same house in missouri all collecting food stamps.

[RECHRGD]

It's really just the tip of the iceburg.  There is so much fraud going on at every level of these programs it is just sickening.  Yet with the many many thousands of government employees assigned to monitor these funds, they just can't seem to get a handle on it.  Bureaucracy at its finest.

[bakerhillpins]

It's really just the tip of the iceburg.  There is so much fraud going on at every level of these programs it is just sickening.  Yet with the many many thousands of government employees assigned to monitor these funds, they just can't seem to get a handle on it.  Bureaucracy at its finest.

I think it's just like everything else in this world that was put forward with the right intentions. There is always someone there willing to screw it up for the rest.

[stripedelete]

It is so ,,,,,EVERYWHERE.   I can't tell you how many times I have stumbled on to the fact that couples I have known/met, living as husband and wife (ring and all), living in nice neighborhoods, in beautiful homes, with kids, are not infact married.  Dumbass-me never thought much about it until someone clued me in.

Katie-bar-the-door, living on-the-dole no longer embarrasses people.  We're screwed.  

[clanton]

No such thing as being a victim in a free society. Survival of the fittest. Good old competition. These things sound great to me.

[Tilar]

It's a good thing I don't run this government. There would be lots of people all of a sudden out looking for work.

[clanton]

Id split the country up dems on one side, Republicans on the other. Lets see who lives better.

[Tilar]

LOL. I'd like to see that.    But lets do North and South. Dems can have the north.

[TK73]

In this State our Liberal/Urban/Democrat-voting counties send disproportionate amounts of tax money to the conservative/rural/republican-voting counties.  Maybe the c-r-r county residents should be grateful for the Urban centers who "redistribute" tax revenue (wealth) to them.

I'm all for our urban counties keeping their tax revenue and letting the rural counties sink financially...

[Tilar]

In ohio the cities try to take the revenue from the rural areas because we (rural areas) do in fact have enough money. We don't spend it on someone that wants to be lazy. Around here we work for a living.

Personally I think the entire country should be ran by old retired farmers, because we appear to be the only ones that can do a whole lot with nothing.   

[Charger_Fan]

It's really just the tip of the iceburg.  There is so much fraud going on at every level of these programs it is just sickening.  Yet with the many many thousands of government employees assigned to monitor these funds, they just can't seem to get a handle on it.  Bureaucracy at its finest.

I agree. It's just a big perpetual snowball, too.
I don't see how this is welfare thing is ever gonna fix...the outcry from the moochers who think it's their "right" to live off the government dole, would be deafening. The bleeding hearts in this country would never stand for it & will always demand that money be redistributed from the "haves" to those helpless "have-not's".
Gee, if we don't help support them, how are they ever gonna get by?
By getting their asses to work, that's how!

[sunfire69]

It's called Social Darwinism...and in it's purest form it is harsh....very harsh....the very basic premise is.......if you can't work...and feed, clothe, and shelter yourself......DIE....if they are laying in the street...step over them and keep walking....it was the guiding social norm at the beginning of the industrial revolution.....some think it should still be.....survival of the fittest.....it's the way nature works.....the weak ...infirm..slow stupid...lazy....die....only the strong hard working productive members of society survive.....if you slip and fall.....you get trampled....
Our welfare system was put in place to help those who thru no fault of there own fell on hard times....to "help" them get back on their feet and back to work.....or in cases where they couldn't ( loss of limbs or mobility for what ever reason) provide enough to fill basic needs of safety and security....
BUT.......it has morphed into our multi-generational hand out system.....where generation after generation of the same family simply go on welfare...
It needs fixed...but how......who will be the first to let a child starve because their pregnant unwed mother of 6 can't work because she never got past the 6th grade.....and her drug habit and criminal record make her virtually unemployable......( don't flame me for the example...it is a very real one)....we as a compassionate society tried to help the less fortunate.....and they took it and ran......remember the old saying ....give a man a fish and feed him for a day.....teach a man to fish and feed him for a life time......but as reality has taught us.....it's easer said than done...

[Brock Samson]

 Look over there!!! Look Over THERE!!!  

Meanwhile....

You Have More Money In Your Wallet Than Bank Of America Pays In Federal Taxes
"Today, hundreds of thousands of people comprising a Main Street Movement — a coalition of students, the retired, union workers, public employees, and other middle class Americans — are in the streets, demonstrating against brutal cuts to public services and crackdowns on organized labor being pushed by conservative politicians. These lawmakers that are attacking collective bargaining and cutting necessary services like college tuition aid and health benefits for public workers claim that they have no choice but than to take these actions because both state and federal governments are in debt.

But it wasn't teachers, fire fighters, policemen, and college students that caused the economic recession that has devastated government budgets — it was Wall Street. And as middle class workers are being asked to sacrifice, the rich continue to rig the system, dodging taxes and avoiding paying their fair share.

In an interview with In These Times, Carl Gibson, the founder of US Uncut, which is organizing some of today's UK-inspired massive demonstrations against tax dodgers, explains that while ordinary Americans are being asked to sacrifice, major corporations continue to use the rigged tax code to avoid paying any federal taxes at all. As he says, if you have "one dollar" in your wallet, you're paying more than the "combined income tax liability of GE, ExxonMobil, Citibank, and the Bank of America":

[Gibson] explains, "I have one dollar in my wallet. That's more than the combined income tax liability of GE, ExxonMobil, Citibank, and the Bank of America. That means somebody is gaming the system."

Indeed, as politicians are asking ordinary Americans to sacrifice their education, their health, their labor rights, and their wellbeing to tackle budget deficits, some of the world's richest multinational corporations are getting away with shirking their responsibility and paying nothing. ThinkProgress has assembled a short but far from comprehensive list of these tax dodgers — corporations which have rigged the tax system to their advantage so they can reap huge profits and avoid paying taxes:- BANK OF AMERICA: In 2009, Bank of America didn't pay a single penny in federal income taxes, exploiting the tax code so as to avoid paying its fair share. "Oh, yeah, this happens all the time," said Robert Willens, a tax accounting expert interviewed by McClatchy. "If you go out and try to make money and you don't do it, why should the government pay you for your losses?" asked Bob McIntyre of Citizens for Tax Justice. The same year, the mega-bank's top executives received pay "ranging from $6 million to nearly $30 million."

- BOEING: Despite receiving billions of dollars from the federal government every single year in taxpayer subsidies from the U.S. government, Boeing didn't "pay a dime of U.S. federal corporate income taxes" between 2008 and 2010.

- CITIGROUP: Citigroup's deferred income taxes for the third quarter of 2010 amounted to a grand total of $0.00. At the same time, Citigroup has continued to pay its staff lavishly. "John Havens, the head of Citigroup's investment bank, is expected to be the bank's highest paid executive for the second year in a row, with a compensation package worth $9.5 million."

- EXXON-MOBIL: The oil giant uses offshore subsidiaries in the Caribbean to avoid paying taxes in the United States. Although Exxon-Mobil paid $15 billion in taxes in 2009, not a penny of those taxes went to the American Treasury. This was the same year that the company overtook Wal-Mart in the Fortune 500. Meanwhile the total compensation of Exxon-Mobil's CEO the same year was over $29,000,000.

- GENERAL ELECTRIC: In 2009, General Electric — the world's largest corporation — filed more than 7,000 tax returns and still paid nothing to U.S. government. They managed to do this by a tax code that essentially subsidizes companies for losing profits and allows them to set up tax havens overseas. That same year GE CEO Jeffery Immelt — who recently scored a spot on a White House economic advisory board — "earned total compensation of $9.89 million." In 2002, Immelt displayed his lack of economic patriotism, saying, "When I am talking to GE managers, I talk China, China, China, China, China....I am a nut on China. Outsourcing from China is going to grow to 5 billion."

- WELLS FARGO: Despite being the fourth largest bank in the country, Wells Fargo was able to escape paying federal taxes by writing all of its losses off after its acquisition of Wachovia. Yet in 2009 the chief executive of Wells Fargo also saw his compensation "more than double" as he earned "a salary of $5.6 million paid in cash and stock and stock awards of more than $13 million."

In the coming months, politicians across the country are going to tell Americans that the only way to stave off huge deficit and balance the budgets is by gutting programs for the poor, eviscerating support for the middle class, eliminating labor rights, and decimating the government's ability to serve the public interest. This is a lie. The United States is the richest country in the history of the world, and income inequality is higher now than it has been at any time since the 1920′s, with the top "top 1 percentile of households [taking] home 23.5 percent of income in 2007."

It is simply unfair for Main Street Americans who've already been battered by one of the worst economic crises in our history to have to continue to sacrifice while the rich and well-connected continue to rip off taxpayers and avoid paying their fair share. That's why a Main Street Movement consisting of Americans who are fed up with the status quo is rocking the nation, and one of its first targets should be tax dodgers like Bank of America and Boeing".

 source: http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/26/main-street-tax-cheats/

[PocketThunder]

I watched Pocahontas with my kids last night and the indians didnt pay any taxes.. 

[Tilar]

I watched Pocahontas with my kids last night and the indians didnt pay any taxes.. 

Yeah but they provided for themselves and didn't allow bleeding heart liberals in the tribe. 

[RECHRGD]

Look over there!!! Look Over THERE!!! 

Meanwhile....

You Have More Money In Your Wallet Than Bank Of America Pays In Federal Taxes
"Today, hundreds of thousands of people comprising a Main Street Movement — a coalition of students, the retired, union workers, public employees, and other middle class Americans — are in the streets, demonstrating against brutal cuts to public services and crackdowns on organized labor being pushed by conservative politicians. These lawmakers that are attacking collective bargaining and cutting necessary services like college tuition aid and health benefits for public workers claim that they have no choice but than to take these actions because both state and federal governments are in debt.

But it wasn’t teachers, fire fighters, policemen, and college students that caused the economic recession that has devastated government budgets — it was Wall Street. And as middle class workers are being asked to sacrifice, the rich continue to rig the system, dodging taxes and avoiding paying their fair share.

In an interview with In These Times, Carl Gibson, the founder of US Uncut, which is organizing some of today’s UK-inspired massive demonstrations against tax dodgers, explains that while ordinary Americans are being asked to sacrifice, major corporations continue to use the rigged tax code to avoid paying any federal taxes at all. As he says, if you have “one dollar” in your wallet, you’re paying more than the “combined income tax liability of GE, ExxonMobil, Citibank, and the Bank of America“:

[Gibson] explains, “I have one dollar in my wallet. That’s more than the combined income tax liability of GE, ExxonMobil, Citibank, and the Bank of America. That means somebody is gaming the system.”

Indeed, as politicians are asking ordinary Americans to sacrifice their education, their health, their labor rights, and their wellbeing to tackle budget deficits, some of the world’s richest multinational corporations are getting away with shirking their responsibility and paying nothing. ThinkProgress has assembled a short but far from comprehensive list of these tax dodgers — corporations which have rigged the tax system to their advantage so they can reap huge profits and avoid paying taxes:- BANK OF AMERICA: In 2009, Bank of America didn’t pay a single penny in federal income taxes, exploiting the tax code so as to avoid paying its fair share. “Oh, yeah, this happens all the time,” said Robert Willens, a tax accounting expert interviewed by McClatchy. “If you go out and try to make money and you don’t do it, why should the government pay you for your losses?” asked Bob McIntyre of Citizens for Tax Justice. The same year, the mega-bank’s top executives received pay “ranging from $6 million to nearly $30 million.”

- BOEING: Despite receiving billions of dollars from the federal government every single year in taxpayer subsidies from the U.S. government, Boeing didn’t “pay a dime of U.S. federal corporate income taxes” between 2008 and 2010.

- CITIGROUP: Citigroup’s deferred income taxes for the third quarter of 2010 amounted to a grand total of $0.00. At the same time, Citigroup has continued to pay its staff lavishly. “John Havens, the head of Citigroup’s investment bank, is expected to be the bank’s highest paid executive for the second year in a row, with a compensation package worth $9.5 million.”

- EXXON-MOBIL: The oil giant uses offshore subsidiaries in the Caribbean to avoid paying taxes in the United States. Although Exxon-Mobil paid $15 billion in taxes in 2009, not a penny of those taxes went to the American Treasury. This was the same year that the company overtook Wal-Mart in the Fortune 500. Meanwhile the total compensation of Exxon-Mobil’s CEO the same year was over $29,000,000.

- GENERAL ELECTRIC: In 2009, General Electric — the world’s largest corporation — filed more than 7,000 tax returns and still paid nothing to U.S. government. They managed to do this by a tax code that essentially subsidizes companies for losing profits and allows them to set up tax havens overseas. That same year GE CEO Jeffery Immelt — who recently scored a spot on a White House economic advisory board — “earned total compensation of $9.89 million.” In 2002, Immelt displayed his lack of economic patriotism, saying, “When I am talking to GE managers, I talk China, China, China, China, China….I am a nut on China. Outsourcing from China is going to grow to 5 billion.”

- WELLS FARGO: Despite being the fourth largest bank in the country, Wells Fargo was able to escape paying federal taxes by writing all of its losses off after its acquisition of Wachovia. Yet in 2009 the chief executive of Wells Fargo also saw his compensation “more than double” as he earned “a salary of $5.6 million paid in cash and stock and stock awards of more than $13 million.”

In the coming months, politicians across the country are going to tell Americans that the only way to stave off huge deficit and balance the budgets is by gutting programs for the poor, eviscerating support for the middle class, eliminating labor rights, and decimating the government’s ability to serve the public interest. This is a lie. The United States is the richest country in the history of the world, and income inequality is higher now than it has been at any time since the 1920′s, with the top “top 1 percentile of households [taking] home 23.5 percent of income in 2007.”

It is simply unfair for Main Street Americans who’ve already been battered by one of the worst economic crises in our history to have to continue to sacrifice while the rich and well-connected continue to rip off taxpayers and avoid paying their fair share. That’s why a Main Street Movement consisting of Americans who are fed up with the status quo is rocking the nation, and one of its first targets should be tax dodgers like Bank of America and Boeing".

  source: http://thinkprogress.org/2011/02/26/main-street-tax-cheats/

All very true and must be addressed.  But, it does not mean that all the other issues, such as; Welfare fraud, medicare fraud, SS fraud and the mis-management there-of should not be addressed.  Outragious union rules and benefits need to to brought in line.  Lobbiests should not be allowed to be in the mix in order to try and get corruption under control in both parties.  The whole system needs revamping and it will get ugly IMHO.   Bob

[PocketThunder]

I watched Pocahontas with my kids last night and the indians didnt pay any taxes.. 

Yeah but they provided for themselves and didn't allow bleeding heart liberals in the tribe. 

I still like this one  http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,8328.0.html   

[John_Kunkel]

Indeed, as politicians are asking ordinary Americans to sacrifice their education, their health, their labor rights, and their wellbeing to tackle budget deficits, some of the world's richest multinational corporations are getting away with shirking their responsibility and paying nothing.

Don't tell that to the "The business of America is business" crowd.

[Tilar]

I watched Pocahontas with my kids last night and the indians didnt pay any taxes.. 

Yeah but they provided for themselves and didn't allow bleeding heart liberals in the tribe. 

I still like this one  http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,8328.0.html   

That's great!  And right on the money.

some of the world's richest multinational corporations are getting away with shirking their responsibility and paying nothing. [/b]

Of course they don't pay anything. Hell they even got a pay raise with all the stimulous money that Osamabama gave them and called it a "Bail-out". Wasn't that nice of him?  Oh don't worry, He'll stop doing that when he runs out of everybody elses money.