Can I get a VIN Tag Made?

[troy.70R/T]

I own a 70 Charger and it does not have a fender tag or build sheet. I do have the title for it in my name. the numbers on the radiator support and under the trunk lid weather stripping match each other and the title. how ever the car was stripped because someone had started to restore it and I did not get the Dash frame with the car. So I was wondering does anyone reproduce these? Can I get one legally? thanks guys.

[Piston_Freddy]

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,59588.25.html

[The70RT]

ummmmmm....NO!

[bobs66440]

I don't know about your state, but here in NY you would have to have the car inspected by a state inspection station and if it passes they issue a new VIN with a state sticker that replaces the original VIN plate. The way it was explained to me (I went through a similar situation) without the VIN plate you have no real proof you own that car. I don't think it's even legal to remove the tag from the car. I would call your DMV and ask what to do. The one thing I would think that's in your favor is that the numbers on the car match the title. I really don't think it's legal to have a plate made.  

[Vainglory, Esq.]

It is indeed possible.  Shhhhh.

[Old Moparz]

I don't know about your state, but here in NY you would have to have the car inspected by a state inspection station and if it passes they issue a new VIN with a state sticker that replaces the original VIN plate. The way it was explained to me (I went through a similar situation) without the VIN plate you have no real proof you own that car. I don't think it's even legal to remove the tag from the car. I would call your DMV and ask what to do. The one thing I would think that's in your favor is that the numbers on the car match the title. I really don't think it's legal to have a plate made.  

I agree, the state VIN tag is probably the ONLY legal way to go, which is what I'd be content with if it were mine.

But, if you can convince the majority of the population on the forum that your particular case is heartbreakingly different, like your car was stolen from a family member decades ago & the tag was destroyed, then recovered & meticulously restored with a fraudulent new VIN tag, everyone will pat you on the back & your Charger will be forever legit.  

[Orange_Crush]

Are you planning to flip the car?  Are you looking for an investment?  If not, then stop worrying about it.  Get the state issued VIN and enjoy the car.  If anyone asks, whip out a copy of the original title and show 'em. 

If you ARE looking to make money down the road, then you are treading on thin ice because, in order to have that "value" you would have to misrepresent the car...not a good idea.

Personally, If I was in your shoes (and I kinda sorta am because on my car, the vin on the trunk lip and the cowl doesn't match the one on the core support PLUS my engine is double-stamped from the factory) I would get a letter about the dash frame issue from the previous owner and have it notarized.  That and the title should convince anyone of what you have.  If that ISN'T enough...screw 'em.

BTW...if its not an R/T then it doesn't really matter anyway.  That sounds like an insult but it isnt.  What I mean is that, really, the only time the VIN makes a REAL difference in the value of the car is when the charger is an R/T or Daytona (XS or XX).  If its an XH or XP Charger then, the car's value will be based more on its condition and the fact that its a Charger.

Good luck to you and check out www.1970chargerregistry.com

One last thing...did you check to see if there was a broadcast sheet around?

[Orange_Crush]

Heh...I didn't even pay attention to your username...DUH!

well, again.  If you can prove its an R/T, it may make a difference, but don't get a VIN made. 

[ecc12]

I agree enjoy your car have it checked out with your state dmv you have documentation and stamping on the car its your so there no worried it yours,just have go with process of the state and pay the $300.00 or so have a Vin tag but once it done you happy  and enjoy your ride even more. But I think the car must be complete road worthy condition before you can bring it to them. Read your state law on reissue of a Vin number....
good luck keep us posted

[72SE]

The shop that had my car for resto sent my dash out for powdercoating years ago. Lost the dash and VIN tag. Everyone I have ever talked about replacing the tag said no. If you ever figure it out let me know!!!

[Iron Chef]

I agree, the state VIN tag is probably the ONLY legal way to go, which is what I'd be content with if it were mine.

But, if you can convince the majority of the population on the forum that your particular case is heartbreakingly different, like your car was stolen from a family member decades ago & the tag was destroyed, then recovered & meticulously restored with a fraudulent new VIN tag, everyone will pat you on the back & your Charger will be forever legit.  

In regards to the thread you're talking about (which, by the way, is a year and a half old), the thread starter didn't try to convince anyone of anything.  He simply stated that in his state (Michigan) it was legal to have a plate made.  Is this true?  I don't know...I don't live in Michigan.  Therefore I don't speculate about the vailidty of what he said (and I certainly don't accuse anyone of fraud...especially when I'm not privy to the whole story).

[no40jm]

I don't know about your state, but here in NY you would have to have the car inspected by a state inspection station and if it passes they issue a new VIN with a state sticker that replaces the original VIN plate. The way it was explained to me (I went through a similar situation) without the VIN plate you have no real proof you own that car. I don't think it's even legal to remove the tag from the car. I would call your DMV and ask what to do. The one thing I would think that's in your favor is that the numbers on the car match the title. I really don't think it's legal to have a plate made.  

I agree, the state VIN tag is probably the ONLY legal way to go, which is what I'd be content with if it were mine.

But, if you can convince the majority of the population on the forum that your particular case is heartbreakingly different, like your car was stolen from a family member decades ago & the tag was destroyed, then recovered & meticulously restored with a fraudulent new VIN tag, everyone will pat you on the back & your Charger will be forever legit.  

Thanks for the complement  I'm going on three and half years of restoring my car....... I can't wait to drive it!!!!!!

[bordin34]

I'm pretty sure Barry will chime in, but from what I've read it is pretty much 100% illegal to have a VIN tag made and I think to even actually take it off the car.

[troy.70R/T]

OK well thanks for all the response. first off I can't even remember if I got a bill of sale with the car. I actually bought two 70 Chargers from the same guy at the same time. I can't remember the guys name I bought them from. and I don't think the DMV will tell me his name. I cant even remember if I did get a bill of sale would the DMV have kept it? OK here is when the story takes another bad turn. Of the two cars that I bought at the time I got titles for both of them. I waited awhile to title them so had to pay the maximum of $200.00 to get the title for the red one. I was going to use the Bronze one for parts to restore the red one because the bronze one had rust on the frame and the red on was solid. So years later I actually decode the fender tag on the bronze Charger it was a 383,auto, burnt orange interior (WITH AND ALLIGATOR GRAIN TOP) I love the bronze color and do not like red. I was going to paint the car whatever color I wanted anyway since both cars were missing original motors. So here is where everyone is going to know what an idiot I am. since I did not want to restore the rusty one I tore up the title and threw it away. I know I know I would really like to find the guy cause I figure the best way to get a title is to have him file for a lost title and then transfer it over to me. I don't think he would try to rip me off since I do have the title for the other car and witnesses that were with me when I got the cars. Also I know that he could not produce the original title and he would have a hard time explaining why I didn't try to get a title for it in these years. I bought the cars about 15 years ago. I want the Vin for the red car so I can sell it. i also want the title for the bronze one so I can sell it. I want to take the  money and buy something that is in better shape. so there any ideas?? and yes i know I am an idiot

[bobs66440]

Well, I think we have all done things that we regret. Unfortunately for me, I've done it often enough but I finally learned not to throw ANYTHING out that may have even the remotest future value. The bad part is I end up with a load of useless crap that half the time I forgot I have. It's a vicious no-win situation, so you are in good company. I think you are correct in that finding the previous owner is the best bet. There was a guy recently that had a similar situation on the 1st gen site and I believe he actually was able to resolve it that way. Hopefully you can too. It will take some digging though.  Good luck.  

[ktneifert09]

Just to complicate the matter even more, somebody replaced the dash in my car and registered it under the new dash VIN in NY.  When I got it after a couple owners, that guy couldn't be found.  The CA DMV sent a chippie out to inspect it (since it was apart in my garage by the time I got around to registering it) and when he found the alternate VINs on the radiator mount and the trunk gutter, he said,"Oh well, what the hell - I restore cars too" and ran both number sets for me to make sure it wasn't stolen.  However, I still have a car with a different VIN on the dash than you can find anywhere else on the car.  So life isn't straight forward.  LOL

[troy.70R/T]

I just want to get the title and VIN straightened out so I can get more  money for the cars. I have just come to a point in my life where I would rather have two fixed up nice cars rather than 7 junkers. I also know that if I don't do it it will probably never be able to get done. well atleast the title for the one car.

[hemi-hampton]

Why would anyone rip up & title & throw away

[troy.70R/T]

It was 15 years ago and the frame was rusty. no motor no trans and I was going to part it out.

[Magnumcharger]

And I'm on the other side of the fence!
I needed a dashboard that didn't have holes rusted under the window rubber.
A good friend of mine (and a member here) GAVE me a spare dashboard that he had.

It came with a 1970 Charger R/T VIN on it!

[The70RT]

And I'm on the other side of the fence!
I needed a dashboard that didn't have holes rusted under the window rubber.
A good friend of mine (and a member here) GAVE me a spare dashboard that he had.

It came with a 1970 Charger R/T VIN on it!

Not that it does you any GOOD.

[Magnumcharger]

One step closer to having a 70 Charger R/T!!



Just kidding!
It's going on my toolbox with all the other VIN tags I've got.

Now if I just had some of those rosette rivets!!

[rmw]

Now if I just had some of those rosette rivets!!

No problem: click

[Magnumcharger]

"Price is for a pair and includes shipping cost."

$50.00!!!

[UH60L]

Hey, since we're talking about V.I.N.s.....


When I bought my '69, the guy I bought it from had 9 more (yes 9 more '69 chargers!!!!!).  From what I have seen since purchasing it, I figure he put alot of the parts he didn't want from the other cars on my car, sort of cobbled it togeather real quick, and sold it.  (he was shocked that it made the drive from Utah to oregon and got 22 MPG!)

From my limited experience, the only form of ID I could find was the V.I.N. tag.  In fact, when I registered it, the gal at the DMV almost wouldn't register it, because they require more than one ID, and I had to sort of sweet talk her and flirt with her and beg and plead, until she finally gave in.

During that process, she looked for a fender tag, and in the trunk and found nothing.  The engine is not original so no way of matching up any numbers there.  Same with the tranny.

So, I've heard of stampings on the car's frame.  Where would that be located on a '69?  Are there any other palces I should look?  I'm just wondering if the V.I.N. / dash in my car might have come from one of his other chargers. 

[vancamp]

During that process, she looked for a fender tag, and in the trunk and found nothing.  The engine is not original so no way of matching up any numbers there.  Same with the tranny.

So, I've heard of stampings on the car's frame.  Where would that be located on a '69?  Are there any other palces I should look?  I'm just wondering if the V.I.N. / dash in my car might have come from one of his other chargers. 

radiator core support,driver side trunk gutter under the weather strip,fender tag,v.i.n.,engine block passenger side oil pan rail and tranny other than that i dont know of any others stamped anywhere

[4cruzin]

I live in Michigan and went to the Sec of State today to get a VIN for my convertible.  Fill out a lot of forms and pay 10 dollars.  Was told it will take awhile then I will be contacted and will be instructed where to meet someone from the state and they will install a new VIN on my car.  I assume it will be a door sticker.  Had to have a police officer come over today to inspect the VIN and sign off on it. Of course he checked to make sure it wasn't stolen.   

[The70RT]

I live in Michigan and went to the Sec of State today to get a VIN for my convertible.  Fill out a lot of forms and pay 10 dollars.  Was told it will take awhile then I will be contacted and will be instructed where to meet someone from the state and they will install a new VIN on my car.  I assume it will be a door sticker.  Had to have a police officer come over today to inspect the VIN and sign off on it. Of course he checked to make sure it wasn't stolen.   

I live in Kansas and friend of mine made a roll back truck and changed the cab and his was an aluminum tag with two riviets. The put it below the door latch on the cab.

[bull]

"Price is for a pair and includes shipping cost."

$50.00!!!

Well, yea. Shipping is included. 

[UH60L]

During that process, she looked for a fender tag, and in the trunk and found nothing.  The engine is not original so no way of matching up any numbers there.  Same with the tranny.

So, I've heard of stampings on the car's frame.  Where would that be located on a '69?  Are there any other palces I should look?  I'm just wondering if the V.I.N. / dash in my car might have come from one of his other chargers. 

radiator core support,driver side trunk gutter under the weather strip,fender tag,v.i.n.,engine block passenger side oil pan rail and tranny other than that i dont know of any others stamped anywhere

Thanks, I'll see what I can find.

[Iceyone]

You need to go to the DMV in whatever state you live in, tell them your story and ask them what your options are. There are people who build homemade cars and kit cars all the time. Somehow those cars get titled and licensed. Depending on what you find out at the DMV you may wind up getting more or less for your cars.

[UFO]

"Price is for a pair and includes shipping cost."

$50.00!!!

Well, yea. Shipping is included. 

Get'em from ECS and you get the transfer as well for your 50 bucks.
http://www.ecsautomotive.com/productdesc.php?co=c&id=62

[troy.70R/T]

Looks Like that is not a metal tag.

[The70RT]

It's not, it is a decal transfer for the "Chrysler" lettering. You won't find a tag to restamp...that's a no no.

[troy.70R/T]

I will Just have to check with my states DMV.