Allpar gets the scoop on the '12 SRT Charger...

[Orange_Crush]

One correction for those who are saying that dodge is ripping Audi off...

[Brock Samson]

True Dat.*
Chrysler came out in the late '90s saying that folks were tired of the jelly bean look and that their grills would be growing larger and more distinctive, as the Grill was one very effective way to differentiate one car from another and add personality. They also stated that Wheels would be upgraded across the board at that time, because they too added to the publics perception of a cars quality, Remember how bad the stock wheels were during the '90s? - That Daimler later cheaped the wheels with "Chrome Cladding" wasn't lost on me as the German's "De-contented" the entire line from Plymouth to Chrysler,..
Anyhow, Audi can be seen as having reached the same conclusions about Grill styling at the same time, a look at their show cars from that time frame will bear this out.


*That would be me channeling Omar from the showtime original show The Wire.
   

[UH60L]

wrong choir here mate.. these guys are still in the '70s pretty much. Besides they can't afford it anyhow.  

I know your just trolling, but I'll square you away anyway.

1) I was born in November of 1970, so I don't remember much of the late '60s or early '70s, and am definitely not "still in '70s" I was born in September of 1970...what's your point?

2) If I sold my '69 I could buy two of these with cash. Horseshit...Unless it has a pointy nose and big wing or big valve covers with plug wires going through them there isn't a '69 Charger out there that's worth 90 grand.  Period.

3) Don't you realise you don't need money to buy a car anymore?  All you need is credit.  If I wanted one these, and I don't, I would just trade my wife's fake "impala" in on it, just like most people do.  I doubt very seriously that too many people buy cars with cash or without a trade in these days. Not sure what that has to do with it but...ok....though considering your wife's Impala's resale value, I wouldn't attempt it unless I could swing a 700 dollar a month car payment.

4) I think even you would agree that they could ahve called it a Coronet and had almost no resistance to it, and could have built a more faithful retro muscle car under the Charger name (with two doors). The coronet name is lame...the Charger name tested well and that is why they called it a charger.  I hardly think that the 3,000 or so members of dodgecharer.com are really all that important to Chrysler's bottom line.

5) I find it hard to believe that you own a pre 1975 Dodge Charger and actually believe the stuff your typing.....
I own a Hemi Orange '70 Charger R/T  4-speed.  I have also owned a '69 Imperial and a '73 Duster.  I have owned Chryslers since I could drive.  I love the 7th Generation Charger SRT8 and it will probably be the next car I buy.

#1, my point is I am not stuck in the '70s as was implied by the person I replied to.  I wasn't even born when the charger was created, and if anything musically I am more of an '80s early '90s guy.

#2 doesn't matter what it's worth, only matters that you have a person who really wants it and is willing to pay.  I had a guy offer me $20,000 cash for my car 2 weeks after I got it, needed body work engine work, a new exhaust and the tranny rebuilt, jsut name a few things, but he reaaaallllly wanted it.

#3 he made the comment that most of us couldn't afford one, and in reality that is not true.  Most of the people on here probably could afford one via trade-in and credit, not everyone carries around 30 to 50 thousand cash, yet there are alot of new cars on the road...

#4 your lame.  See I can just say stuff too, doesn't mean it's true.  Coronet would have been perfect for this car.  Even the designers are now admitting they didn't like putting the name on the car.

#5 you'll notice I wasn't replying to you, and the person i was replying to has since said he likes to yank people's chains.  Score 1 for him, zero for you.

What it comes down to is, people can have a difference of opinion without being called names or grouped into comments like "they're all bla bla bla".  I'm kind of surprised noone has gone for the age old comment of "those guys all still live in their mom's basements and can't get laid".  It's a real classic, even though 99 percent of the time it's totally wrong.    

I've only ever owned one chrysler product, and it's my '69 charger.  Nothing will ever be as cool or as fun to drive.  I can have a really terrible day at work, and go hop in the charger and crank it up, and my day gets instantly better.

[Brock Samson]

  You assume then I was talking to you?..  I need to review,..

[Orange_Crush]

#4 your lame.  See I can just say stuff too, doesn't mean it's true.  Coronet would have been perfect for this car.  Even the designers are now admitting they didn't like putting the name on the car.

#5 you'll notice I wasn't replying to you, and the person i was replying to has since said he likes to yank people's chains.  Score 1 for him, zero for you.

What it comes down to is, people can have a difference of opinion without being called names or grouped into comments like "they're all bla bla bla".  I'm kind of surprised noone has gone for the age old comment of "those guys all still live in their mom's basements and can't get laid".  It's a real classic, even though 99 percent of the time it's totally wrong.    

I've only ever owned one chrysler product, and it's my '69 charger.  Nothing will ever be as cool or as fun to drive.  I can have a really terrible day at work, and go hop in the charger and crank it up, and my day gets instantly better.

I think the first three points are settled so I'll speak to 4 and 5.


Yes, the designers said they didn't like putting the name on the car but they did, that was a bean-counters decision, not an engineers decision.  That being said, its a Charger.  Chrysler named it a Charger.  As the Charger evolved into a 2-door Fwd car, it has again evolved into a rear-wheel drive beast...that just happens to have four doors.  Fact is, the decision was made to keep the Charger name on a 4-door car for 2011.

Point #5, I totally agree with you.  

That's the great thing about this hobby, you can disagree, but in the end, the cars are all that matters.

[Brock Samson]

 See when i posted this link to the then just previewed (like ten minutes prior) SRT/8 I said maybe we could do without the usual BS and that's a quote... But NOOOOOOOOOO!  So I decided to oblige some of you by playing the devil's advocate... Most folks here know I don't care for the Super8 derived concept LXs, they're getting better for sure... but their still pretty blocky for my tastes, I'd much rather see more Areo nose down/rear up, and less slab sides... far more of the old coke bottle or even the fusalage look, we mostly seem to love. And, as I've said since they came out in what was it now?.. '04/5?.. a "Charger" is supposed to be a two door Hardtop with swoopy highbanked styleing so I remain dissapointed in the DOT and Europian standards that effectivly outlaw Hidden Headlights and Shark like front Bumpers... Should I blame that on Obama?.. The designers at Alburn Hills, the Pacifica Design Studio?.. Mr. Gowdy?..
Anyhow I really think they've gone along way towards addressing the horrible interiors and finally replaced that old V-6 and gears. Too bad the SRT/8 is a four door. and I'm really so freakin sorry to have rubbed you and your depech mode sensitivities the wrong way. 

[Chargen69]

 Brock's got over 14000 post, how much does he half to post to get off of the troll status?

[UH60L]

See when i posted this link to the then just previewed (like ten minutes prior) SRT/8 I said maybe we could do without the usual BS and that's a quote... But NOOOOOOOOOO!  So I decided to oblige some of you by playing the devil's advocate... Most folks here know I don't care for the Super8 derived concept LXs, they're getting better for sure... but their still pretty blocky for my tastes, I'd much rather see more Areo nose down/rear up, and less slab sides... far more of the old coke bottle or even the fusalage look, we mostly seem to love. And, as I've said since they came out in what was it now?.. '04/5?.. a "Charger" is supposed to be a two door Hardtop with swoopy highbanked styleing so I remain dissapointed in the DOT and Europian standards that effectivly outlaw Hidden Headlights and Shark like front Bumpers... Should I blame that on Obama?.. The designers at Alburn Hills, the Pacifica Design Studio?.. Mr. Gowdy?..
Anyhow I really think they've gone along way towards addressing the horrible interiors and finally replaced that old V-6 and gears. Too bad the SRT/8 is a four door. and I'm really so freakin sorry to have rubbed you and your depech mode sensitivities the wrong way. 

Well, when your playing "devil's advocate" people are going to treat you like the devil, IE hate on you.  What did you expect?  That said, maybe they/we should treat you like the actual devil, a non-existant mythical entity, and not reply at all.  But then, what fun is that.

I agree with Orange_Crush, in the end it's all about the cars.

Hmm, depech mode, I'd forgotten who they were, had to google them.  Then I saw the one song I knew from them and realsied why I forgot about them.  I am, to say the least, not a religious person.  Thus a group singing about "your own personal jesus", never appealed to me.

Back in the day, I was more of a Def Leppard guy, to be honest.  (and weird al, of course)

[Orange_Crush]

Hmm, depech mode, I'd forgotten who they were, had to google them.  Then I saw the one song I knew from them and realsied why I forgot about them.  I am, to say the least, not a religious person.  Thus a group singing about "your own personal jesus", never appealed to me.

Back in the day, I was more of a Def Leppard guy, to be honest.  (and weird al, of course)

Then you should probably take a closer listen

Personal Jesus lyrics:

Reach out and touch faith
Your own Personal Jesus
Someone to hear your prayers
Someone who cares
Your own Personal Jesus
Someone to hear your prayers
Someone who's there

Feeling's unknown and you're all alone
Flesh and bone by the telephone
Lift up the receiver
I'll make you a believer

Take second best
Put me to the test
Things on your chest
You need to confess
I will deliver
You know I'm a forgiver
Reach out and touch faith

Your own Personal Jesus
Feeling's unknown and you're all alone
Flesh and bone by the telephone
Lift up the receiver
I'll make you a believer
I will deliver
You know I'm a forgiver
Reach out and touch faith
Your own Personal Jesus
Reach out and touch faith

(i.e....he is referring to himself as the "personal Jesus" to the person he is singing to)


Check out the lyrics to "Blasphemous Rumors"

Girl of sixteen, whole life ahead of her
Slashed her wrists, bored with life
Didn't succeed, thank the Lord
For small mercies

Fighting back the tears, mother reads the note again
Sixteen candles burn in her mind
She takes the blame, it's always the same
She goes down on her knees and prays

I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours
But I think that God's got a sick sense of humor
And when I die I expect to find Him laughing

Girl of eighteen, fell in love with everything
Found new life in Jesus Christ
Hit by a car, ended up
On a life support machine

Summer's day, as she passed away
Birds were singing in the summer sky
Then came the rain, and once again
A tear fell from her mother's eye

I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours
But I think that God's got a sick sense of humor
And when I die I expect to find Him laughing

[bull]

True Dat.*
Chrysler came out in the late '90s saying that folks were tired of the jelly bean look and that their grills would be growing larger and more distinctive, as the Grill was one very effective way to differentiate one car from another and add personality.

You don't add personality by creating uniformity. That's a contradiction.

[UH60L]

Hmm, depech mode, I'd forgotten who they were, had to google them.  Then I saw the one song I knew from them and realsied why I forgot about them.  I am, to say the least, not a religious person.  Thus a group singing about "your own personal jesus", never appealed to me.

Back in the day, I was more of a Def Leppard guy, to be honest.  (and weird al, of course)

Then you should probably take a closer listen

Personal Jesus lyrics:

Reach out and touch faith
Your own Personal Jesus
Someone to hear your prayers
Someone who cares
Your own Personal Jesus
Someone to hear your prayers
Someone who's there

Feeling's unknown and you're all alone
Flesh and bone by the telephone
Lift up the receiver
I'll make you a believer

Take second best
Put me to the test
Things on your chest
You need to confess
I will deliver
You know I'm a forgiver
Reach out and touch faith

Your own Personal Jesus
Feeling's unknown and you're all alone
Flesh and bone by the telephone
Lift up the receiver
I'll make you a believer
I will deliver
You know I'm a forgiver
Reach out and touch faith
Your own Personal Jesus
Reach out and touch faith

(i.e....he is referring to himself as the "personal Jesus" to the person he is singing to)


Check out the lyrics to "Blasphemous Rumors"

Girl of sixteen, whole life ahead of her
Slashed her wrists, bored with life
Didn't succeed, thank the Lord
For small mercies

Fighting back the tears, mother reads the note again
Sixteen candles burn in her mind
She takes the blame, it's always the same
She goes down on her knees and prays

I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours
But I think that God's got a sick sense of humor
And when I die I expect to find Him laughing

Girl of eighteen, fell in love with everything
Found new life in Jesus Christ
Hit by a car, ended up
On a life support machine

Summer's day, as she passed away
Birds were singing in the summer sky
Then came the rain, and once again
A tear fell from her mother's eye

I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours
But I think that God's got a sick sense of humor
And when I die I expect to find Him laughing

Ok, I'm gonna open myself up to all sorts of BS comments, but here's the thing.  I don't believe in religion.  Not one religion or another, one side of religion or the other, but the entire concept of it.  IE, I don't believe in any such thing as "god" or "jesus", or any of the other religion myths.  Thus, I am not interested in songs or groups that sing about it in a good or bad way, in a positive or negative light.  Not interested in driving down the road with the word "jesus" blaring out the window, even if the song is not a pro-religion song.  (granted I don't drive down the road with music blaring out the window much anymore    , but you know what I'm getting at)

I try to stay neutral on the subject when people are arguing about relgion, but somtimes feel the need to clarify things if people get too stupid about it, or specifically make references to me as somthing I am not, such as an atheist or agnostic.  Those are religous words, made up to categorize people.  I belong to no group, other than the human race and the U.S. Army (and I'm working on retiring from the second one!).

Oh, and before people start bashing, let me say this, I have lived what many would consider a more decent, moral, and yes even "christian" life than most christians that I have met.  I've served my country for more than 20 years, been married almost 22, don't smoke, don't cheat, don't steal, never used illegal drugs, pay my bills on time, try to help people when I can, grow a garden and share the food with my neighbors, even paint over graffiti on the old train station out where I grew up and my mom still lives, and teach my kids to treat everyone the same-with respect, yet, because I choose not to drink the cool-aid, there are people who tell me I am a horrible aweful person.  Sorry, I call Balogna.  My parents taught me right and wrong, and they didn't need religion to convince me.  If they said don't do it, you didn't do it, or you got a whuupin and put in the corner for 2 hours (or got grounded) .  If there were more parents doing their job, the world would be a better place, in my opinion.

Thus, not interested in depeche mode.....  sorry.

P.S.:  And yes I know Def Leppard had a song called "rock of ages", but I also know it had nothing to do with religion, (except maybe borrowing the name of the song).

Rant over.  So how about those cars.......

[Brock Samson]

Wow! talk about missing the point...    You'd think D.M. is like England's answer to Take Six or something... You miss the point of those lyrics entirely... Completely...

[UH60L]

Wow! talk about missing the point...    You'd think D.M. is like England's answer to Take Six or something... You miss the point of those lyrics entirely... Completely...

I think you missed my point:  I wouldn't care if the lyrics were "jesus is fake, religion isn't real", I wouldn't want anyone to hear the word "jesus" coming from my stereo, nor would I want to hear it.  I'm not religious, but I'm not anti-religious either.  I'd rather just listen to something else.

The bigger point was, I didn't listen to that group when they were popular, and had forgotten about them until they were mentioned in this thread.

I'm almost afraid to ask what "Take Six" is.

I can't believe I had not heard, or seen the video for, "all about the pentiums" by Weird Al until a couple weeks ago.  Being a computer nerd/geek myself, I laughed all the way through watching the video.  That is some funny stuff.               

[Brock Samson]

 OK: would you listen to sympathy for the devil?.. 

[Orange_Crush]

OK: would you listen to sympathy for the devil?.. 

Or "Jesus Built my Hotrod?" by Ministry
Or NIN's "God Money"

I suppose you have boycotted many MANY amazing songs by Johnny Cash

And I imagine anything Judas Priest is out of the question

[Brock Samson]

   Links Man! Links!   

BTW Those were some awesome lyrics... 

[Orange_Crush]

  Links Man! Links!   

BTW Those were some awesome lyrics... 

The NIN song is actually called "head like a Hole"  I'm getting foggy in my old age.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao-Sahfy7Hg

[Orange_Crush]

"Jesus Built My Hotrod"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXCh9OhDiCI

[Orange_Crush]

Johnny Cash "God's Gonna Cut You Down"  Grat Vid featuring Iggy Pop, Kanye West, Chris Rock, Woody Harrelson, Cheryl Crow, Bono, and many others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxh-FfElY0M

[Brock Samson]

I got that cd and the tee-shirt too...  

take six: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qZe8aB7plU

try this remix of the cash track with led zep...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh9N8Y0GxE8

[BLUE68RT4ME]

Wow Brock, you sure opened a can of worms!  There are more nay-sayers on this site regarding the new Chargers than you can find at MSNBC every time George Bush spoke!  I'm kind of disappointed in some of the ways people respond on things like this.  We're all brought here by the love of old Chargers, a brotherhood of sorts, but the arguing in kind of non-sense.

I'm going to say that I LOVE the new Charger!  LOVE, LOVE, LOVE it!  Whether I do or not, what does it matter to anyone else?  I think it looks great, I like that it looks like the Evo X because I love the Evo X!  I might even have to buy one!  I may even get a loan for it!  I've actually been on the fence about a new Charger or a new EVO X.  I was born in '74.  I own a 68' R/T.  My first car was a '66 Coronet.  I love my Charger more than any other car made, however... they quit making it just like everyone else quit making their '68 models.  I love music of all kinds, 50's the most, 80's, then 90's and today, early 60's but only some of the late 60's and 70's.  I don't listen to victim music of any sort and I found much of the music of the "make love not war" scene was incredibly narsacistic.

As for barrowing money, there are very few financially successful people that have never borrowed money in this world.  Very few people ever fronted their own success...  How could they if they weren't already well off? How many people buy there homes for cash?  And how smart is that, really?  If you can borrow money and it allows you a means to make more than it costs you its probably a good thing.

Anyhow, I'm all over with my comments but just thought I'd throw my thoughts in too, just to stir the pot a little more.   My first encounters with Brock were nothing more than me writing something and him busting my balls.    He pissed me off at first but then I got to understand him and I appreciate him.  I think he deserves more respect than some of these comments have given him.  However, he may have been quite deserving of some of them as well.   

In the end all I have to say is we live in the age we live in, and there is little we can do to change it.  And if you're not able to change something you need to learn to live with it.  If you can't live with it, and you can't change it, then???  (Then I guess you complain about it on a blog! )

Now please!  Try to have fun and not get angry!

Mark 

[FastbackJon]

Ok, I'm gonna open myself up to all sorts of BS comments, but here's the thing.  I don't believe in religion.  Not one religion or another, one side of religion or the other, but the entire concept of it.  IE, I don't believe in any such thing as "god" or "jesus", or any of the other religion myths.  Thus, I am not interested in songs or groups that sing about it in a good or bad way, in a positive or negative light.  Not interested in driving down the road with the word "jesus" blaring out the window, even if the song is not a pro-religion song.  (granted I don't drive down the road with music blaring out the window much anymore   , but you know what I'm getting at)

I try to stay neutral on the subject when people are arguing about relgion, but somtimes feel the need to clarify things if people get too stupid about it, or specifically make references to me as somthing I am not, such as an atheist or agnostic.  Those are religous words, made up to categorize people.  I belong to no group, other than the human race and the U.S. Army (and I'm working on retiring from the second one!).

Oh, and before people start bashing, let me say this, I have lived what many would consider a more decent, moral, and yes even "christian" life than most christians that I have met.  I've served my country for more than 20 years, been married almost 22, don't smoke, don't cheat, don't steal, never used illegal drugs, pay my bills on time, try to help people when I can, grow a garden and share the food with my neighbors, even paint over graffiti on the old train station out where I grew up and my mom still lives, and teach my kids to treat everyone the same-with respect, yet, because I choose not to drink the cool-aid, there are people who tell me I am a horrible aweful person.  Sorry, I call Balogna.  My parents taught me right and wrong, and they didn't need religion to convince me.  If they said don't do it, you didn't do it, or you got a whuupin and put in the corner for 2 hours (or got grounded) .  If there were more parents doing their job, the world would be a better place, in my opinion.

Thus, not interested in depeche mode.....  sorry.

P.S.:  And yes I know Def Leppard had a song called "rock of ages", but I also know it had nothing to do with religion, (except maybe borrowing the name of the song).

Rant over.  So how about those cars.......

I can't not reply to this...

You're allowed to believe whatever you want but Jesus warns in Matthew 12:37 "For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."

Jesus talks about self-righteous people in Luke 18:9-14.

Another point is that it doesn't matter how much good stuff we do, it's the bad stuff that matters. You can live like mother Theresa but if you do one bad act like murdering someone you're going to get in trouble for it. Likewise, if you get pulled over for speeding, you can't just tell the cop what a good person you are and how many good things you've done to make him let you off. It doesn't work like that. He'll still give you the ticket. You had even said your own parents gave you a whoopin when you deserved it, it didn't matter how many good things you did earlier in the week. What kind of parents would they have been if they didn't punish you when you deserved it? With all of the good things aside, our bad deeds still deserve punishment.

Revelation 21:8 warns "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." I don't know about all of you, but I've at least told a lie and as such I deserve punishment too. That's the realization we must all come to, that we deserve punishment in comparison to God's standards, before we can accept grace.

Grace is as stated in John 3:16 "God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son so that whoever believes in him may not be lost, but have eternal life."

[472 R/T SE]

Well, here comes another lock.

[UH60L]

OK: would you listen to sympathy for the devil?.. 

Never heard of it, but probably wouldn't listen to it, based on the name.

[Brock Samson]

"please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste"?