Allpar gets the scoop on the '12 SRT Charger...

[Brock Samson]

http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/charger-SRT8.html

maybe we can get by without the usual BS this time...     

[bull]

http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/charger-SRT8.html

maybe we can get by without the usual BS this time...     

If you don't want the usual BS, don't post links about the car. It ain't rocket science.

[Brock Samson]

hense... 

[Dans 68]

Only 46 45 47 posts behind Curtis. Come on Dave!  

Oh, and as far as the 2012 Charger it still has 4-doors....  

Dan

[vancamp]

nothing to about the whole four door thing, but the car as a whole is just plain ugly i dont think the redesign did it any favors espescially on the SRT version the black out on the bumper makes the grille look way to big.

[Khyron]

*cough* *cough* junk *cough* *cough*

[Ghoste]

How could we not have the usual bs, it's the usual car.

[Troy]

So the ugly grill isn't chrome any more? That helps. Now if you drive after dusk the car will look a whole lot better.

That's kind of an odd merging of shapes and lines on the hood. Is it finalized?

It's cool that even the top performance engine has the "active valve exhaust system" (which took me 4 times to copy because of the stupid pop-up ad that I kept rolling over).

No weight listed.

Troy

[bull]

 

[bakerhillpins]

IMHO the grille on the 2012 unit looks worse.  

[Brock Samson]

  Welp, it finally has the eight speed transmission with paddle shifters... great increase in MPG as well.. lettuce see how long it takes Rustymuscle to chime in with a link to his blog...   

[bull]

  Welp, it finally has the eight speed transmission with paddle shifters...

Only eight? Why not jump up to a ten speed?

[Brock Samson]

that your charger, err, i mean ride Curtis?.. 

[elanmars]

that front just got uglier, didn't think it was possible but they definitely upped the ante on the ugly.

[bull]

that your charger, err, i mean ride Curtis?.. 

You'd see me rockin' one of those long before you'd see me in a new "Charger" for sure.

[Brock Samson]

  Ok,..  Here's Peewee Bull Rockin' his bike...     



 here's some more news from Chicago...
http://www.allpar.com/history/auto-shows/chicago/2011.html


 

[Richard Cranium]

that front just got uglier, didn't think it was possible but they definitely upped the ante on the ugly.

The front end on the old models was ugly, now on the new model, it's FUGLY!

[FastbackJon]

Trying too hard to be an audi...



I just read the opening statement in the 1966 Charger Service Manual Supplement. It talks about the new Charger as having sports car styling with luxury appointments.

That's more like an Audi R8 in my mind.

Chrysler needs to get the car back to it's roots!

[Brock Samson]

 We've known for five or six years that Audi was the Playsheet Mopar was cribbing from,...
that's old news.. Just now figgurin' that out huh?.. 'n all you care about is the grill,..
Wow. 

[aussiemuscle]

the more subtle grille 'cross' is better, but the blacked out bumper to join top and bottom grille is just ''
taillamp design with 164 illuminating LEDs - that's a lot of leds!

i think you guys should get over the 4 door thing, it's not a pickup and it's not a challenger.

[Brock Samson]

 wrong choir here mate.. these guys are still in the '70s pretty much. Besides they can't afford it anyhow. 

[Brock Samson]

Who ever thought I'd be doing all this Devil's advocate stuff?   

[Dans 68]

Who ever thought I'd be doing all this Devil's advocate stuff?   

Dan

[HANDM]

It's getting a little closer, but jeez that grill 

[clanton]

Same old BS car.....

[bull]

 Ok,..  Here's Peewee Bull Rockin' his bike...     

 

That's a 3-speed, one like the old perverts ride (Dave).

[Bobs69]

wrong choir here mate.. these guys are still in the '70s pretty much. Besides they can't afford it anyhow. 

hahahahaha holly cow!  That's below the belt!  I'm not going to comment on the car  but speaking only for myself, if I can't pay CASH for something I don't want it.  I don't believe in fake money (credit).

[bull]

wrong choir here mate.. these guys are still in the '70s pretty much. Besides they can't afford it anyhow.  

Right, we can't afford it. Many of us have got more into just the bodywork and paint on our classics than what these POS poser cars cost new.

[bull]

i think you guys should get over the 4 door thing, it's not a pickup and it's not a challenger.

It's not a Charger either.

[Ghoste]

As for us being stuck in the 70's, I notice someone didn't hurry out and sell his antiquated 69 so he could buy a new charger.

[chargermike]

A CORONET IS CORONET. 4 DOORS =CORONET. a charger has two doors. and they quit making them in 74. after that just a bad joke. it is a nice car and they ride and handle well. very nice family car, BUT IT IS NOT A CHARGER. 

[Old Moparz]

I still don't care for it, just like the last body style. If I needed a 4 door & wasn't worried about MPG I'd still consider it though. I definitely don't view it as any kind of future classic, or collectible, it's simply transportation that might be a lot of fun driving.

[BigBlackDodge]

Nice Edsel!



BBD

[FastbackJon]

Proudly display your support of the new creation... click the link....

http://www.cafepress.com/spokane_mopars.17504060

[1969chargerrtse]

Not bad, just not sure if I like the grille more, or not at all like the older versions.

[Rustymuscle]

Audi SRT8?

[UH60L]

wrong choir here mate.. these guys are still in the '70s pretty much. Besides they can't afford it anyhow. 

I know your just trolling, but I'll square you away anyway.

1) I was born in November of 1970, so I don't remember much of the late '60s or early '70s, and am definitely not "still in '70s"

2) If I sold my '69 I could buy two of these with cash.

3) Don't you realise you don't need money to buy a car anymore?  All you need is credit.  If I wanted one these, and I don't, I would just trade my wife's fake "impala" in on it, just like most people do.  I doubt very seriously that too many people buy cars with cash or without a trade in these days.

4) I think even you would agree that they could ahve called it a Coronet and had almost no resistance to it, and could have built a more faithful retro muscle car under the Charger name (with two doors).

5) I find it hard to believe that you own a pre 1975 Dodge Charger and actually believe the stuff your typing.....

[Brock Samson]

Yep,..
I made plans to build my own 1969 R/T S.E. a Yr. before you were born. And I would've been far happier if they had named it the "Enforcer" as originally intended. Polara, Atlantic or Monaco were also names I would've been much happier with - as a matter of fact.
Most the folks here are still listening to '70s music everyday some actually made it all the way to G&R or even Mettalica before they proclaimed all new music sucks and they were stickin' with AC/DC. This has been proven in the music threads repeatedly - over and over - till we don't even do music threads anymore...
The neo-Challenger was the Two Door, Retro muscle car they built for those that had to have a two door Retro. machine,.. after they produced and sold 100K four doors as they said they intended from the get go.
The SRT/8 will probably go for Approx. $45-50K and a couple folks here will probably end up with them after they come off lease. (if Gas ain't $5.oo a Gal. by then).
The reason I posted this anyhow was because It's an SRT/8 just released to the public that morning at the Chi-town Auto Show and ALLPAR had the scoop.   Not to piss anyone off,  though most folks obviously would rather get their panties Inna bunch then move on... Know the definition of insanity?..  
 Glad your building your dream and even happier it wont be just another Jennie Lee.  
 BTW: I been yanking on folk's chains around here before you knew there was an internets...  Welcome to the site:  
  nana:
Be sure to ask Troy about his handy dandy Sarcasm detector.

[Bobs69]

It's just a name they put on it.  It's just a car.  I just wish people would stop trying to compare it to the older stuff.  It's different.  It's what ma mopar thinks is suited to the market.

[Silver R/T]

Trying too hard to be an audi...



I just read the opening statement in the 1966 Charger Service Manual Supplement. It talks about the new Charger as having sports car styling with luxury appointments.

That's more like an Audi R8 in my mind.

Chrysler needs to get the car back to it's roots!

or Evolution GSR

[FastbackJon]

Trying too hard to be an audi...



I just read the opening statement in the 1966 Charger Service Manual Supplement. It talks about the new Charger as having sports car styling with luxury appointments.

That's more like an Audi R8 in my mind.

Chrysler needs to get the car back to it's roots!

or Evolution GSR

Or an angry grandma...

[Silver R/T]

It's interesting how coincidental some things are. A guy at work drives an Audi S4...he said "I don't like mustang fastbacks" when we were discussing cars with a few other employees. Afterwards me and my helper looked at each other and said "what a moron, how can you not like a fastback Mustang? Thank God people like that don't design cars for living. All of us would be driving 4 door Mustangs, GTO's, Corvettes, etc."
And this guy doesn't even have kids to justify owning a 4 door family sedan... Some people.....

[UH60L]

Well, since yer yanking, I'll throw ya another bone.  I was the 3rd internet subscriber in the country of Panama back in the early '90s.  I used Netscape version 1.2 (it came on a 3.5 floppy disk).  I dialed into some guys apartment downtown and then he redirected through a satellite dish to an uplink somewhere in Texas (according to him).  It was slow, and there were far less things to find, but was I hooked after the first login.  

By the way, I wasn't talking about all your posts, just the one I quoted.

Oh, and if anything, I'm stuck in the mid '80s to early '90s, if we're talking about music, though I like almost all of what came before then, not too much of what is out now though.          Grew up up forced to watch HEEHAA, but leaned more towards pop/rock of the '70s and '80s gorwing up.  I'll listen to darn near anything pre 1996-ish from classical to metal.

And I love Weird Al......makes me laugh.

But when it comes to cars, there's only one I've ever wanted, and now own.  If they built a new one that more closely resembled it, I would want that too.  I've owned several cars and trucks over the years, of all different makes/models, and used them all for their intended purpose, daily driver.  I don't buy muscle cars for storage space or mileage, I buy them for the looks, the rumble, the speed, for cruise ins and car shows, and flying down the freeway when noone is looking, and yes, for their reputation.  Noone looks at my car and thinks "grocery getter".

The new Challengers are cool but did not have the effect that Dodge thought they would (IE quietting the people who wanted a real, retro charger muscle car).  Even they admitted finally that they did not think the name through, the car was built and needed a name, "Charger" was most recognised by the public.

[Brock Samson]

The D.C.J. Dealer's Assoc. Demanded the car be named Charger when the long lead preview was held after the Daimler Takeover.
So, did anyone see the new Challenger (in the link I posted) in what used to be called Snakeskin Green with the new wheels?.. it's now called "Green with Envy"...

+ photo shop of the Challenger make over due in a couple years,,,

[clanton]

Nice Edsel!



BBD

[Bobs69]

The new Camaro has obscene amounts of power.  Can the Hemi compete?  I see in a magazine that Camaros competitors are Nissan 370z and I don't know the mustang?  No mention of a dodge.

[Ghoste]

Most the folks here are still listening to '70s music everyday some actually made it all the way to G&R or even Mettalica before they proclaimed all new music sucks and they were stickin' with AC/DC. This has been proven in the music threads repeatedly - over and over - till we don't even do music threads anymore...


 BTW: I been yanking on folk's chains around here before you knew there was an internets...  Welcome to the site:  
  nana:
Be sure to ask Troy about his handy dandy Sarcasm detector.

Brock, you of all people know better than this.  Music is written by the young for the young and many of our musical tastes are formed during that coming of age period when you leave your parents restrictions but have yet to take on many responsabilities of your own.  When the headaches of mortgage, kids, crappy jobs, angry spouses, and the unrelenting spectre of aging take over, the music of that youth becomes your personal soundtrack to a time when your life (in your revisionist memories at the very least) was better.  To say the music taste here is stuck in the 70's only proves we mostly came of age with Led Zeppelin for background music in our first apartments.
Although there is likely a good argument to be made for the car being part of this same phenomenon.

[Brock Samson]

Most the folks here are still listening to '70s music everyday some actually made it all the way to G&R or even Mettalica before they proclaimed all new music sucks and they were stickin' with AC/DC. This has been proven in the music threads repeatedly - over and over - till we don't even do music threads anymore...


 BTW: I been yanking on folk's chains around here before you knew there was an internets...  Welcome to the site:  
  nana:
Be sure to ask Troy about his handy dandy Sarcasm detector.

Brock, you of all people know better than this.  Musivc is written by the young for the young and many of our musical tastes are formed during that coming of age period when you leave your parents restrictions but have yet to take on many responsabilities of your own.  When the headaches of mortgage, kids, crappy jobs, angry spouses, and the unrelenting spectre of aging take over, the music of that youth becomes your personal soundtrack to a time when your life (in your revisionist memories at the very least) was better.  To say the music taste here is stuck in the 70's only proves we mostly came of age with Led Zeppelin for background music in our first apartments.
Although there is likely a good argument to be made for the car being part of this same phenomenon.

Awesome, somebody actually got it!!! Wow! Thanks!
BTW: also from ALLPAR, note the praise heaped on the 300 M BTW...  

 http://www.allpar.com/reviews/2011/dodge-charger.html

[Orange_Crush]

wrong choir here mate.. these guys are still in the '70s pretty much. Besides they can't afford it anyhow.  

I know your just trolling, but I'll square you away anyway.

1) I was born in November of 1970, so I don't remember much of the late '60s or early '70s, and am definitely not "still in '70s" I was born in September of 1970...what's your point?

2) If I sold my '69 I could buy two of these with cash. Horseshit...Unless it has a pointy nose and big wing or big valve covers with plug wires going through them there isn't a '69 Charger out there that's worth 90 grand.  Period.

3) Don't you realise you don't need money to buy a car anymore?  All you need is credit.  If I wanted one these, and I don't, I would just trade my wife's fake "impala" in on it, just like most people do.  I doubt very seriously that too many people buy cars with cash or without a trade in these days. Not sure what that has to do with it but...ok....though considering your wife's Impala's resale value, I wouldn't attempt it unless I could swing a 700 dollar a month car payment.

4) I think even you would agree that they could ahve called it a Coronet and had almost no resistance to it, and could have built a more faithful retro muscle car under the Charger name (with two doors). The coronet name is lame...the Charger name tested well and that is why they called it a charger.  I hardly think that the 3,000 or so members of dodgecharer.com are really all that important to Chrysler's bottom line.

5) I find it hard to believe that you own a pre 1975 Dodge Charger and actually believe the stuff your typing.....
I own a Hemi Orange '70 Charger R/T  4-speed.  I have also owned a '69 Imperial and a '73 Duster.  I have owned Chryslers since I could drive.  I love the 7th Generation Charger SRT8 and it will probably be the next car I buy.

[Orange_Crush]

Heh...I almost forgot!  I've also had a '69 CHarger SE!

[Orange_Crush]

One correction for those who are saying that dodge is ripping Audi off...

[Brock Samson]

True Dat.*
Chrysler came out in the late '90s saying that folks were tired of the jelly bean look and that their grills would be growing larger and more distinctive, as the Grill was one very effective way to differentiate one car from another and add personality. They also stated that Wheels would be upgraded across the board at that time, because they too added to the publics perception of a cars quality, Remember how bad the stock wheels were during the '90s? - That Daimler later cheaped the wheels with "Chrome Cladding" wasn't lost on me as the German's "De-contented" the entire line from Plymouth to Chrysler,..
Anyhow, Audi can be seen as having reached the same conclusions about Grill styling at the same time, a look at their show cars from that time frame will bear this out.


*That would be me channeling Omar from the showtime original show The Wire.
   

[UH60L]

wrong choir here mate.. these guys are still in the '70s pretty much. Besides they can't afford it anyhow.  

I know your just trolling, but I'll square you away anyway.

1) I was born in November of 1970, so I don't remember much of the late '60s or early '70s, and am definitely not "still in '70s" I was born in September of 1970...what's your point?

2) If I sold my '69 I could buy two of these with cash. Horseshit...Unless it has a pointy nose and big wing or big valve covers with plug wires going through them there isn't a '69 Charger out there that's worth 90 grand.  Period.

3) Don't you realise you don't need money to buy a car anymore?  All you need is credit.  If I wanted one these, and I don't, I would just trade my wife's fake "impala" in on it, just like most people do.  I doubt very seriously that too many people buy cars with cash or without a trade in these days. Not sure what that has to do with it but...ok....though considering your wife's Impala's resale value, I wouldn't attempt it unless I could swing a 700 dollar a month car payment.

4) I think even you would agree that they could ahve called it a Coronet and had almost no resistance to it, and could have built a more faithful retro muscle car under the Charger name (with two doors). The coronet name is lame...the Charger name tested well and that is why they called it a charger.  I hardly think that the 3,000 or so members of dodgecharer.com are really all that important to Chrysler's bottom line.

5) I find it hard to believe that you own a pre 1975 Dodge Charger and actually believe the stuff your typing.....
I own a Hemi Orange '70 Charger R/T  4-speed.  I have also owned a '69 Imperial and a '73 Duster.  I have owned Chryslers since I could drive.  I love the 7th Generation Charger SRT8 and it will probably be the next car I buy.

#1, my point is I am not stuck in the '70s as was implied by the person I replied to.  I wasn't even born when the charger was created, and if anything musically I am more of an '80s early '90s guy.

#2 doesn't matter what it's worth, only matters that you have a person who really wants it and is willing to pay.  I had a guy offer me $20,000 cash for my car 2 weeks after I got it, needed body work engine work, a new exhaust and the tranny rebuilt, jsut name a few things, but he reaaaallllly wanted it.

#3 he made the comment that most of us couldn't afford one, and in reality that is not true.  Most of the people on here probably could afford one via trade-in and credit, not everyone carries around 30 to 50 thousand cash, yet there are alot of new cars on the road...

#4 your lame.  See I can just say stuff too, doesn't mean it's true.  Coronet would have been perfect for this car.  Even the designers are now admitting they didn't like putting the name on the car.

#5 you'll notice I wasn't replying to you, and the person i was replying to has since said he likes to yank people's chains.  Score 1 for him, zero for you.

What it comes down to is, people can have a difference of opinion without being called names or grouped into comments like "they're all bla bla bla".  I'm kind of surprised noone has gone for the age old comment of "those guys all still live in their mom's basements and can't get laid".  It's a real classic, even though 99 percent of the time it's totally wrong.    

I've only ever owned one chrysler product, and it's my '69 charger.  Nothing will ever be as cool or as fun to drive.  I can have a really terrible day at work, and go hop in the charger and crank it up, and my day gets instantly better.

[Brock Samson]

  You assume then I was talking to you?..  I need to review,..

[Orange_Crush]

#4 your lame.  See I can just say stuff too, doesn't mean it's true.  Coronet would have been perfect for this car.  Even the designers are now admitting they didn't like putting the name on the car.

#5 you'll notice I wasn't replying to you, and the person i was replying to has since said he likes to yank people's chains.  Score 1 for him, zero for you.

What it comes down to is, people can have a difference of opinion without being called names or grouped into comments like "they're all bla bla bla".  I'm kind of surprised noone has gone for the age old comment of "those guys all still live in their mom's basements and can't get laid".  It's a real classic, even though 99 percent of the time it's totally wrong.    

I've only ever owned one chrysler product, and it's my '69 charger.  Nothing will ever be as cool or as fun to drive.  I can have a really terrible day at work, and go hop in the charger and crank it up, and my day gets instantly better.

I think the first three points are settled so I'll speak to 4 and 5.


Yes, the designers said they didn't like putting the name on the car but they did, that was a bean-counters decision, not an engineers decision.  That being said, its a Charger.  Chrysler named it a Charger.  As the Charger evolved into a 2-door Fwd car, it has again evolved into a rear-wheel drive beast...that just happens to have four doors.  Fact is, the decision was made to keep the Charger name on a 4-door car for 2011.

Point #5, I totally agree with you.  

That's the great thing about this hobby, you can disagree, but in the end, the cars are all that matters.

[Brock Samson]

 See when i posted this link to the then just previewed (like ten minutes prior) SRT/8 I said maybe we could do without the usual BS and that's a quote... But NOOOOOOOOOO!  So I decided to oblige some of you by playing the devil's advocate... Most folks here know I don't care for the Super8 derived concept LXs, they're getting better for sure... but their still pretty blocky for my tastes, I'd much rather see more Areo nose down/rear up, and less slab sides... far more of the old coke bottle or even the fusalage look, we mostly seem to love. And, as I've said since they came out in what was it now?.. '04/5?.. a "Charger" is supposed to be a two door Hardtop with swoopy highbanked styleing so I remain dissapointed in the DOT and Europian standards that effectivly outlaw Hidden Headlights and Shark like front Bumpers... Should I blame that on Obama?.. The designers at Alburn Hills, the Pacifica Design Studio?.. Mr. Gowdy?..
Anyhow I really think they've gone along way towards addressing the horrible interiors and finally replaced that old V-6 and gears. Too bad the SRT/8 is a four door. and I'm really so freakin sorry to have rubbed you and your depech mode sensitivities the wrong way. 

[Chargen69]

 Brock's got over 14000 post, how much does he half to post to get off of the troll status?

[UH60L]

See when i posted this link to the then just previewed (like ten minutes prior) SRT/8 I said maybe we could do without the usual BS and that's a quote... But NOOOOOOOOOO!  So I decided to oblige some of you by playing the devil's advocate... Most folks here know I don't care for the Super8 derived concept LXs, they're getting better for sure... but their still pretty blocky for my tastes, I'd much rather see more Areo nose down/rear up, and less slab sides... far more of the old coke bottle or even the fusalage look, we mostly seem to love. And, as I've said since they came out in what was it now?.. '04/5?.. a "Charger" is supposed to be a two door Hardtop with swoopy highbanked styleing so I remain dissapointed in the DOT and Europian standards that effectivly outlaw Hidden Headlights and Shark like front Bumpers... Should I blame that on Obama?.. The designers at Alburn Hills, the Pacifica Design Studio?.. Mr. Gowdy?..
Anyhow I really think they've gone along way towards addressing the horrible interiors and finally replaced that old V-6 and gears. Too bad the SRT/8 is a four door. and I'm really so freakin sorry to have rubbed you and your depech mode sensitivities the wrong way. 

Well, when your playing "devil's advocate" people are going to treat you like the devil, IE hate on you.  What did you expect?  That said, maybe they/we should treat you like the actual devil, a non-existant mythical entity, and not reply at all.  But then, what fun is that.

I agree with Orange_Crush, in the end it's all about the cars.

Hmm, depech mode, I'd forgotten who they were, had to google them.  Then I saw the one song I knew from them and realsied why I forgot about them.  I am, to say the least, not a religious person.  Thus a group singing about "your own personal jesus", never appealed to me.

Back in the day, I was more of a Def Leppard guy, to be honest.  (and weird al, of course)

[Orange_Crush]

Hmm, depech mode, I'd forgotten who they were, had to google them.  Then I saw the one song I knew from them and realsied why I forgot about them.  I am, to say the least, not a religious person.  Thus a group singing about "your own personal jesus", never appealed to me.

Back in the day, I was more of a Def Leppard guy, to be honest.  (and weird al, of course)

Then you should probably take a closer listen

Personal Jesus lyrics:

Reach out and touch faith
Your own Personal Jesus
Someone to hear your prayers
Someone who cares
Your own Personal Jesus
Someone to hear your prayers
Someone who's there

Feeling's unknown and you're all alone
Flesh and bone by the telephone
Lift up the receiver
I'll make you a believer

Take second best
Put me to the test
Things on your chest
You need to confess
I will deliver
You know I'm a forgiver
Reach out and touch faith

Your own Personal Jesus
Feeling's unknown and you're all alone
Flesh and bone by the telephone
Lift up the receiver
I'll make you a believer
I will deliver
You know I'm a forgiver
Reach out and touch faith
Your own Personal Jesus
Reach out and touch faith

(i.e....he is referring to himself as the "personal Jesus" to the person he is singing to)


Check out the lyrics to "Blasphemous Rumors"

Girl of sixteen, whole life ahead of her
Slashed her wrists, bored with life
Didn't succeed, thank the Lord
For small mercies

Fighting back the tears, mother reads the note again
Sixteen candles burn in her mind
She takes the blame, it's always the same
She goes down on her knees and prays

I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours
But I think that God's got a sick sense of humor
And when I die I expect to find Him laughing

Girl of eighteen, fell in love with everything
Found new life in Jesus Christ
Hit by a car, ended up
On a life support machine

Summer's day, as she passed away
Birds were singing in the summer sky
Then came the rain, and once again
A tear fell from her mother's eye

I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours
But I think that God's got a sick sense of humor
And when I die I expect to find Him laughing

[bull]

True Dat.*
Chrysler came out in the late '90s saying that folks were tired of the jelly bean look and that their grills would be growing larger and more distinctive, as the Grill was one very effective way to differentiate one car from another and add personality.

You don't add personality by creating uniformity. That's a contradiction.

[UH60L]

Hmm, depech mode, I'd forgotten who they were, had to google them.  Then I saw the one song I knew from them and realsied why I forgot about them.  I am, to say the least, not a religious person.  Thus a group singing about "your own personal jesus", never appealed to me.

Back in the day, I was more of a Def Leppard guy, to be honest.  (and weird al, of course)

Then you should probably take a closer listen

Personal Jesus lyrics:

Reach out and touch faith
Your own Personal Jesus
Someone to hear your prayers
Someone who cares
Your own Personal Jesus
Someone to hear your prayers
Someone who's there

Feeling's unknown and you're all alone
Flesh and bone by the telephone
Lift up the receiver
I'll make you a believer

Take second best
Put me to the test
Things on your chest
You need to confess
I will deliver
You know I'm a forgiver
Reach out and touch faith

Your own Personal Jesus
Feeling's unknown and you're all alone
Flesh and bone by the telephone
Lift up the receiver
I'll make you a believer
I will deliver
You know I'm a forgiver
Reach out and touch faith
Your own Personal Jesus
Reach out and touch faith

(i.e....he is referring to himself as the "personal Jesus" to the person he is singing to)


Check out the lyrics to "Blasphemous Rumors"

Girl of sixteen, whole life ahead of her
Slashed her wrists, bored with life
Didn't succeed, thank the Lord
For small mercies

Fighting back the tears, mother reads the note again
Sixteen candles burn in her mind
She takes the blame, it's always the same
She goes down on her knees and prays

I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours
But I think that God's got a sick sense of humor
And when I die I expect to find Him laughing

Girl of eighteen, fell in love with everything
Found new life in Jesus Christ
Hit by a car, ended up
On a life support machine

Summer's day, as she passed away
Birds were singing in the summer sky
Then came the rain, and once again
A tear fell from her mother's eye

I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours
But I think that God's got a sick sense of humor
And when I die I expect to find Him laughing

Ok, I'm gonna open myself up to all sorts of BS comments, but here's the thing.  I don't believe in religion.  Not one religion or another, one side of religion or the other, but the entire concept of it.  IE, I don't believe in any such thing as "god" or "jesus", or any of the other religion myths.  Thus, I am not interested in songs or groups that sing about it in a good or bad way, in a positive or negative light.  Not interested in driving down the road with the word "jesus" blaring out the window, even if the song is not a pro-religion song.  (granted I don't drive down the road with music blaring out the window much anymore    , but you know what I'm getting at)

I try to stay neutral on the subject when people are arguing about relgion, but somtimes feel the need to clarify things if people get too stupid about it, or specifically make references to me as somthing I am not, such as an atheist or agnostic.  Those are religous words, made up to categorize people.  I belong to no group, other than the human race and the U.S. Army (and I'm working on retiring from the second one!).

Oh, and before people start bashing, let me say this, I have lived what many would consider a more decent, moral, and yes even "christian" life than most christians that I have met.  I've served my country for more than 20 years, been married almost 22, don't smoke, don't cheat, don't steal, never used illegal drugs, pay my bills on time, try to help people when I can, grow a garden and share the food with my neighbors, even paint over graffiti on the old train station out where I grew up and my mom still lives, and teach my kids to treat everyone the same-with respect, yet, because I choose not to drink the cool-aid, there are people who tell me I am a horrible aweful person.  Sorry, I call Balogna.  My parents taught me right and wrong, and they didn't need religion to convince me.  If they said don't do it, you didn't do it, or you got a whuupin and put in the corner for 2 hours (or got grounded) .  If there were more parents doing their job, the world would be a better place, in my opinion.

Thus, not interested in depeche mode.....  sorry.

P.S.:  And yes I know Def Leppard had a song called "rock of ages", but I also know it had nothing to do with religion, (except maybe borrowing the name of the song).

Rant over.  So how about those cars.......

[Brock Samson]

Wow! talk about missing the point...    You'd think D.M. is like England's answer to Take Six or something... You miss the point of those lyrics entirely... Completely...

[UH60L]

Wow! talk about missing the point...    You'd think D.M. is like England's answer to Take Six or something... You miss the point of those lyrics entirely... Completely...

I think you missed my point:  I wouldn't care if the lyrics were "jesus is fake, religion isn't real", I wouldn't want anyone to hear the word "jesus" coming from my stereo, nor would I want to hear it.  I'm not religious, but I'm not anti-religious either.  I'd rather just listen to something else.

The bigger point was, I didn't listen to that group when they were popular, and had forgotten about them until they were mentioned in this thread.

I'm almost afraid to ask what "Take Six" is.

I can't believe I had not heard, or seen the video for, "all about the pentiums" by Weird Al until a couple weeks ago.  Being a computer nerd/geek myself, I laughed all the way through watching the video.  That is some funny stuff.               

[Brock Samson]

 OK: would you listen to sympathy for the devil?.. 

[Orange_Crush]

OK: would you listen to sympathy for the devil?.. 

Or "Jesus Built my Hotrod?" by Ministry
Or NIN's "God Money"

I suppose you have boycotted many MANY amazing songs by Johnny Cash

And I imagine anything Judas Priest is out of the question

[Brock Samson]

   Links Man! Links!   

BTW Those were some awesome lyrics... 

[Orange_Crush]

  Links Man! Links!   

BTW Those were some awesome lyrics... 

The NIN song is actually called "head like a Hole"  I'm getting foggy in my old age.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao-Sahfy7Hg

[Orange_Crush]

"Jesus Built My Hotrod"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXCh9OhDiCI

[Orange_Crush]

Johnny Cash "God's Gonna Cut You Down"  Grat Vid featuring Iggy Pop, Kanye West, Chris Rock, Woody Harrelson, Cheryl Crow, Bono, and many others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxh-FfElY0M

[Brock Samson]

I got that cd and the tee-shirt too...  

take six: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qZe8aB7plU

try this remix of the cash track with led zep...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh9N8Y0GxE8

[BLUE68RT4ME]

Wow Brock, you sure opened a can of worms!  There are more nay-sayers on this site regarding the new Chargers than you can find at MSNBC every time George Bush spoke!  I'm kind of disappointed in some of the ways people respond on things like this.  We're all brought here by the love of old Chargers, a brotherhood of sorts, but the arguing in kind of non-sense.

I'm going to say that I LOVE the new Charger!  LOVE, LOVE, LOVE it!  Whether I do or not, what does it matter to anyone else?  I think it looks great, I like that it looks like the Evo X because I love the Evo X!  I might even have to buy one!  I may even get a loan for it!  I've actually been on the fence about a new Charger or a new EVO X.  I was born in '74.  I own a 68' R/T.  My first car was a '66 Coronet.  I love my Charger more than any other car made, however... they quit making it just like everyone else quit making their '68 models.  I love music of all kinds, 50's the most, 80's, then 90's and today, early 60's but only some of the late 60's and 70's.  I don't listen to victim music of any sort and I found much of the music of the "make love not war" scene was incredibly narsacistic.

As for barrowing money, there are very few financially successful people that have never borrowed money in this world.  Very few people ever fronted their own success...  How could they if they weren't already well off? How many people buy there homes for cash?  And how smart is that, really?  If you can borrow money and it allows you a means to make more than it costs you its probably a good thing.

Anyhow, I'm all over with my comments but just thought I'd throw my thoughts in too, just to stir the pot a little more.   My first encounters with Brock were nothing more than me writing something and him busting my balls.    He pissed me off at first but then I got to understand him and I appreciate him.  I think he deserves more respect than some of these comments have given him.  However, he may have been quite deserving of some of them as well.   

In the end all I have to say is we live in the age we live in, and there is little we can do to change it.  And if you're not able to change something you need to learn to live with it.  If you can't live with it, and you can't change it, then???  (Then I guess you complain about it on a blog! )

Now please!  Try to have fun and not get angry!

Mark 

[FastbackJon]

Ok, I'm gonna open myself up to all sorts of BS comments, but here's the thing.  I don't believe in religion.  Not one religion or another, one side of religion or the other, but the entire concept of it.  IE, I don't believe in any such thing as "god" or "jesus", or any of the other religion myths.  Thus, I am not interested in songs or groups that sing about it in a good or bad way, in a positive or negative light.  Not interested in driving down the road with the word "jesus" blaring out the window, even if the song is not a pro-religion song.  (granted I don't drive down the road with music blaring out the window much anymore   , but you know what I'm getting at)

I try to stay neutral on the subject when people are arguing about relgion, but somtimes feel the need to clarify things if people get too stupid about it, or specifically make references to me as somthing I am not, such as an atheist or agnostic.  Those are religous words, made up to categorize people.  I belong to no group, other than the human race and the U.S. Army (and I'm working on retiring from the second one!).

Oh, and before people start bashing, let me say this, I have lived what many would consider a more decent, moral, and yes even "christian" life than most christians that I have met.  I've served my country for more than 20 years, been married almost 22, don't smoke, don't cheat, don't steal, never used illegal drugs, pay my bills on time, try to help people when I can, grow a garden and share the food with my neighbors, even paint over graffiti on the old train station out where I grew up and my mom still lives, and teach my kids to treat everyone the same-with respect, yet, because I choose not to drink the cool-aid, there are people who tell me I am a horrible aweful person.  Sorry, I call Balogna.  My parents taught me right and wrong, and they didn't need religion to convince me.  If they said don't do it, you didn't do it, or you got a whuupin and put in the corner for 2 hours (or got grounded) .  If there were more parents doing their job, the world would be a better place, in my opinion.

Thus, not interested in depeche mode.....  sorry.

P.S.:  And yes I know Def Leppard had a song called "rock of ages", but I also know it had nothing to do with religion, (except maybe borrowing the name of the song).

Rant over.  So how about those cars.......

I can't not reply to this...

You're allowed to believe whatever you want but Jesus warns in Matthew 12:37 "For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."

Jesus talks about self-righteous people in Luke 18:9-14.

Another point is that it doesn't matter how much good stuff we do, it's the bad stuff that matters. You can live like mother Theresa but if you do one bad act like murdering someone you're going to get in trouble for it. Likewise, if you get pulled over for speeding, you can't just tell the cop what a good person you are and how many good things you've done to make him let you off. It doesn't work like that. He'll still give you the ticket. You had even said your own parents gave you a whoopin when you deserved it, it didn't matter how many good things you did earlier in the week. What kind of parents would they have been if they didn't punish you when you deserved it? With all of the good things aside, our bad deeds still deserve punishment.

Revelation 21:8 warns "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." I don't know about all of you, but I've at least told a lie and as such I deserve punishment too. That's the realization we must all come to, that we deserve punishment in comparison to God's standards, before we can accept grace.

Grace is as stated in John 3:16 "God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son so that whoever believes in him may not be lost, but have eternal life."

[472 R/T SE]

Well, here comes another lock.

[UH60L]

OK: would you listen to sympathy for the devil?.. 

Never heard of it, but probably wouldn't listen to it, based on the name.

[Brock Samson]

"please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste"?   

[UH60L]

OK: would you listen to sympathy for the devil?.. 

Or "Jesus Built my Hotrod?" by Ministry
Or NIN's "God Money"

I suppose you have boycotted many MANY amazing songs by Johnny Cash

And I imagine anything Judas Priest is out of the question

Never heard either of those two songs.  I've never "boycotted" any music, just don't choose to listen to certain music.  No, never listened to Judas Priest.  

[UH60L]

Ok, I'm gonna open myself up to all sorts of BS comments, but here's the thing.  I don't believe in religion.  Not one religion or another, one side of religion or the other, but the entire concept of it.  IE, I don't believe in any such thing as "god" or "jesus", or any of the other religion myths.  Thus, I am not interested in songs or groups that sing about it in a good or bad way, in a positive or negative light.  Not interested in driving down the road with the word "jesus" blaring out the window, even if the song is not a pro-religion song.  (granted I don't drive down the road with music blaring out the window much anymore   , but you know what I'm getting at)

I try to stay neutral on the subject when people are arguing about relgion, but somtimes feel the need to clarify things if people get too stupid about it, or specifically make references to me as somthing I am not, such as an atheist or agnostic.  Those are religous words, made up to categorize people.  I belong to no group, other than the human race and the U.S. Army (and I'm working on retiring from the second one!).

Oh, and before people start bashing, let me say this, I have lived what many would consider a more decent, moral, and yes even "christian" life than most christians that I have met.  I've served my country for more than 20 years, been married almost 22, don't smoke, don't cheat, don't steal, never used illegal drugs, pay my bills on time, try to help people when I can, grow a garden and share the food with my neighbors, even paint over graffiti on the old train station out where I grew up and my mom still lives, and teach my kids to treat everyone the same-with respect, yet, because I choose not to drink the cool-aid, there are people who tell me I am a horrible aweful person.  Sorry, I call Balogna.  My parents taught me right and wrong, and they didn't need religion to convince me.  If they said don't do it, you didn't do it, or you got a whuupin and put in the corner for 2 hours (or got grounded) .  If there were more parents doing their job, the world would be a better place, in my opinion.

Thus, not interested in depeche mode.....  sorry.

P.S.:  And yes I know Def Leppard had a song called "rock of ages", but I also know it had nothing to do with religion, (except maybe borrowing the name of the song).

Rant over.  So how about those cars.......

I can't not reply to this...

You're allowed to believe whatever you want but Jesus warns in Matthew 12:37 "For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."

Another point is that it doesn't matter how much good stuff we do, it's the bad stuff that matters. You can live like mother Theresa but if you do one bad act like murdering someone you're going to get in trouble for it. Likewise, if you get pulled over for speeding, you can't just tell the cop what a good person you are and how many good things you've done to make him let you off. It doesn't work like that. He'll still give you the ticket. You had even said your own parents gave you a whoopin when you deserved it, it didn't matter how many good things you did earlier in the week. What kind of parents would they have been if they didn't punish you when you deserved it? With all of the good things aside, our bad deeds still deserve punishment.

Revelation 21:8 warns "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." I don't know about all of you, but I've at least told a lie and as such I deserve punishment too. That's the realization we must all come to, that we deserve punishment in comparison to God's standards, before we can accept grace.

Grace is as stated in John 3:16 "God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son so that whoever believes in him may not be lost, but have eternal life."

I can't not reply to this...


Your allowed to believe whatever you want but, some people who are still alive claim that space aliens crashed in New Mexico in 1947, and that our government covered it up.  Although I don't believe in space aliens, I would be more likely to believe those people than anything you can quote from a man made book of man made stories.

I don't go around telling you how to live, or what to believe in, save your breath.  Quoting the bible is like quoting the dukes of hazzard, only less entertaining.

[UH60L]

"please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste"?   

Well, if that's not a song lyric, you can kiss my twin flowmasters.......

[BLUE68RT4ME]

"please allow me to introduce myself, I'm a man of wealth and taste"?   

Well, if that's not a song lyric, you can kiss my twin flowmasters.......

LOVE that tune!  Even liked Guns 'N Roses version of it.