XV motorsports Level II quality good or really bad? what do you think?????

[studio57]

Hi Guys
i got report you that xv motorsports quality ain't as good as the price tag says it should in my a pinion , lot of problems on fittings and upper control arms where twisted a LOT.. they haven't try to fit anything and welding skills on the frame builder is bit better than my 2 year old son...
only compensation was after 5 none reply emails was that they will send me a new arms if i will send the bad ones back first = not fair deal as i live in finland and the shipping cost are expensive and my progress will stop until i get new ones. it was also misssing one bushing, that they did send so it will arrive proxy in week or two. i just fix those problems my self but i really do NOT recommend no one XV Motorsports next time i will get RHS and save money and time !!

what do you think about this?

[studio57]

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[studio57]

and they think there is nothing wrong with these ! i really do hope the desing isnt as bad the building is.

[darrenb811]

sheeeez!!
sorry to hear that , the workmanship looks awful.

I was always nervous about the XV, RMS or Magnumforce front-ends, so went a different route with my build.
Really hope it all works out.

[suntech]

That did not look good at all Masi!! My K member welding looks much better than yours, and it is not bent or anything, but i have not really checked the other parts, maybe i chould take a day off from housebuilding and do that?

[studio57]

That did not look good at all Masi!! My K member welding looks much better than yours, and it is not bent or anything, but i have not really checked the other parts, maybe i chould take a day off from housebuilding and do that?

Reason why i did go with the XV level II too to get the best of the best quality and that did cost me 11k, i didn't mind that i too month of over time as that happens from time to time..but the way they treat people after something goes wrong. i told them that I'm happier if they send me the billet upper arms to compensate these issues and they did offer those for 700dollars ( new ones are 725dollars) i told them that is not fair deal..

Think that they are selling 150k XV chargers and cudas that has this kind of suspension parts + 4k forth of engine and transmission for a C300 5.7l hemi car.

I told them i don't think these are all bad after all they use some factory made parts and they fit pretty good as someone else has done them.
I really do hope the design is better than the building quality i really really do !!
the guys in xv where Scott Landis and Peter Bergman neather didn't see anything wrong on the parts.
If you know some who is thinking of buying one of these please let him know this post first and let him decide after this will he still want this 11k forth of best quality suspension system ever build .
I do hope Rolf that your kit is better build than mine is and yours did have the billet upper arms ! witch might been done better.

[Supercharged Riot]

oh WOW 

I was starting to save up for that kit too. 
For 11K, that stuff should all fit SNUG.
Too much money on the line for imperfections.
Thanks for taking the time to post your findings.
and I hope you really got your money's worth and make it work out.

This will definately make me consider alternatives. But I really want a coilover conversion like this.  dang it.

[studio57]

oh WOW 

I was starting to save up for that kit too. 
For 11K, that stuff should all fit SNUG.
Too much money on the line for imperfections.
Thanks for taking the time to post your findings.
and I hope you really got your money's worth and make it work out.

This will definately make me consider alternatives. But I really want a coilover conversion like this.  dang it.

what i know now i would go to RMS products ! never heard any bad from them and saw video that  they test assembly everything before shipping.
still I'm hoping that in the end my level II will do the trick, i just needs lot of extra work.

[Supercharged Riot]

Either way, I am still jealous of your new suspension setup.
Ive seen the coilover conversion of RMS, their coilover shocks look smaller than the XV setup.  People need to post video testimonials of their conversions.  Pictures can only show so much.

I hope i see videos of your XV charger performing.  Ive never seen that setup in action for a Charger.  Good luck my friend 

[studio57]

yes, before buying this i did lot of rechearts and as this was only one using aluminum parts and using C6 parts. i decide to get this kit, sadly when it arrived it wasn't quite what is was expecting. lets keep out fingers cross that it will be fun to drive and will handle like a beast ! and thank you for your support !

you can check out my progress here http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3837245/1968-dodge-charger

[NorwayCharger]

 

Wow, tought that the XV kit was better build than that.
Maybe they got i a new guy working for them and this was his first build 
I have the RMS kit and i am very impressed with the quality of welds etc.

[studio57]

Wow, tought that the XV kit was better build than that.
Maybe they got i a new guy working for them and this was his first build 
I have the RMS kit and i am very impressed with the quality of welds etc.

and it does get better on the rear end.. picture is rearend the upper arm , fits like a retarded has made it !

[six-tee-nine]

 

You paid how much???


I know its far when you're overseas (tell me about it) but reall that went into a box and straight back If you paid only half of what you did i might say OK.....

[darrenb811]

that's bad luck Masi, good luck sorting out a speedy resolution 
Darren

[studio57]

You paid how much???


I know its far when you're overseas (tell me about it) but reall that went into a box and straight back If you paid only half of what you did i might say OK.....

no that was with out shipping cost , but i did pay for top quality . boxes where un damaged, every part was packed own boxes ... it is just how they build them.
attach is the invoices it is prox 11k

[studio57]

that's bad luck Masi, good luck sorting out a speedy resolution  
Darren

Thanks my friend,
we will do our best ! Good thing is that we do lot better job than those "wanna be pro`s" and im grateful that we did first order only one kit as my friends where ready to order two more... one is now going on hotckis suspension kit and other one i think to RMS

[darrenb811]

Thanks my friend,
we will do our best ! and we do lot better job than those "wanna be pro`s" and im thank full that we did first order only one kit as my friends where ready to order two more... one is now going on hotckis suspension kit and other one i think to rhs

I have no doubt you will!

I did a massive amount of research in the suspension options & found that most of the Motorcross & racing guys, in their experience confirmed the difference between a well set up torsion bar system would match any of the aftermarket systems.
If you're going for a certain look the XV, RMS or Magnumforce will obviously give it, and IMO the biggest benefit is additional room, andof the aftermarket systems the consensus view is that the RMS is the best, & most proven. The magnum force system puts the front suspension loads through the shock towers (which are not designed to handle the load ~torsion bars carry the load via the trans-crossmember ~ have heard stories of panels & doors going out of alignment etc.).

Each to their own choice, & as cheeky as it sounds I reckon the setup I have put together will spank any other setup on the track. Of course I Haven't heard of a complete Hotchkis setup ...other than the parts they make to modify the OEM system, being UCA's, Tie-rods, sway bars (FFI sway bar is superior).

Good luck with positive outcome from XV, I hope they make good on their setup for you.

[Rolling_Thunder]

after looking at the numerous XV magazine articles I decided I would NEVER let them build me a car and I would never use their suspension set up...    too much money for too little return. 

Look at the cars they sell for $150-200K    The undercarriage is horrible, AC is routed cheesy, Electrical routing is horrible, and overall just not a $150K car...   

[studio57]

Thanks my friend,
we will do our best ! and we do lot better job than those "wanna be pro`s" and im thank full that we did first order only one kit as my friends where ready to order two more... one is now going on hotckis suspension kit and other one i think to rhs

I have no doubt you will!

I did a massive amount of research in the suspension options & found that most of the Motorcross & racing guys, in their experience confirmed the difference between a well set up torsion bar system would match any of the aftermarket systems.
If you're going for a certain look the XV, RMS or Magnumforce will obviously give it, and IMO the biggest benefit is additional room, andof the aftermarket systems the consensus view is that the RMS is the best, & most proven. The magnum force system puts the front suspension loads through the shock towers (which are not designed to handle the load ~torsion bars carry the load via the trans-crossmember ~ have heard stories of panels & doors going out of alignment etc.).

Each to their own choice, & as cheeky as it sounds I reckon the setup I have put together will spank any other setup on the track. Of course I Haven't heard of a complete Hotchkis setup ...other than the parts they make to modify the OEM system, being UCA's, Tie-rods, sway bars (FFI sway bar is superior).

Good luck with positive outcome from XV, I hope they make good on their setup for you.

i found this today. does not look good, the upper arm on XV level II brokes.

[Troy]

That's Bill Howell's car.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,48982.0.html

I read the Hot Rod article but now I can't remember the whole story but it was the UCA.


Troy

[studio57]

That's Bill Howell's car.
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,48982.0.html

I read the Hot Rod article but now I can't remember the whole story but it was the UCA.


Troy

i got to say that is one nice car !

[Bill Howell]

Wow, where do I start?
Yes, sadly, that was my car at the 2009 Optima Ultimate Streetcar Challenge. I had driven the car all the way from Pigeon Forge to SEMA, then to OUSCI, raced on the road course, autocrosssed and this was my final Speed/Stop challenge. UCA broke welds in two places. I was more than pissed and had to trailer the car home since it not only broke the control arm that we did get repaired but bent an original, virgin fender and bent the lower ball joint to the point the alignment was trashed.
I called XV the next Monday, while I was on the way home and I must say the New UCAs, their "Upgrades" were at my house before I got home. These were billet and much better design. My opinion was and still is, of all the cars they ever sold a frontend suspension to, they should have known I would be the one guy that would actually stress test the parts to the max and surely they knew I would break the original design. They sent the replacements and a return for the old ones. However, never offered to fix the fender or see how things went with the repairs. So, I am out the repair cost on the fender and the ball joint, plus the aggravation of the whole ordeal. I called and left messages for the owner to call three times about the damage, and to this day have never gotten that call returned. I figured if that is the way they do business, I would mark it up as experience. Sometimes it isn't the sale, it is the service after the sale that really counts to get future business and referrals. I am not bragging here, but I did put 14K miles on this car last year, raced it all over the country and saw alot of folks asking about the frontend and how I liked it and the company. I had to tell them exactly what I have said here, you have to draw your own conclusions on how you spend your hard earned money.
I will say this, I am very happy with the frontend in general, other than the weak parts. The geometry is great and the car is totally different than any Mopar I have ever driven. Are their parts worth the extra cost over other options out there? Probably not, but I am very satisfied with the performance of my car. The only other problem I have had, and remember, 14K miles and several of those on road courses and autocrosses, WAO, and way too fast into corners, turns, etc. I did wear out the orignal bearing/hub assembly on both sides, they got to the point they were clicking very bad and at Gingerman, caused brake knockback and I ended up plowing through the grass and dirt sideways at 90+mph, not fun I promise. I upgraded to the new ZR1 hubs, which are much bigger and stronger. I think the factory corvette hubs are just not strong enough when you add the additional 1500 or so pounds a 1972 charger weights over a stock C6. Granted, most everyone that puts a new suspension under their car will never, ever stress test it like I have done, but I am just saying, if you do, go ahead and put the best parts you can on the car, you will be glad you did in the long run.

I have never dissed a company in open forum and hope this doesn't come across as negative, however, it is absolutely what has happened with my car. I have been asked here and other places by pm to say something so here is what happened.

[Brads70]

WOW! Sorry to hear this. Sure doesn't look good on XV ? 

[darrenb811]

.... I think the factory corvette hubs are just not strong enough when you add the additional 1500 or so pounds a 1972 charger weights over a stock C6. Granted, most everyone that puts a new suspension under their car will never, ever stress test it like I have done, but I am just saying, if you do, go ahead and put the best parts you can on the car, you will be glad you did in the long run...

..that sums up my thoughts on the XV systems C6 is a lightweight to a fully loaded B Body, surely must effect the entire setup IMO, especially if you're after continuous duty and want reliability.