Toyota quality -----FUNNY AS HELL

[1970Moparmann]

Found this on youtube.  With all the hype about Toyota I find this video f'ing hilarious.  I've been a truck guy for my whole life and when Toyota came into the truck market, there was so much hype about how the "quality" of the new Tundra was so much better than Dodge, Chebby and Ford. 

I love this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lg_2an2XO0

[Silver R/T]

Toyota should stick to building cheap econo boxes ie Corolla, Matrix, echo, etc. Leave trucks to big three

[RallyeMike]

Good stuff.

[bull]

What a shock. A bunch of Ford guys tested four trucks and determined that Ford wins it all, hands down. Not even close.

[Silver R/T]

well F150 has been #1 best selling truck for years, that's a fact.

[1970Moparmann]

I just love to see how the Tundra got the crap beat out of it.  If Toyota wants to play in the sand box with the big three, they should have put something better together.  

The fuel video is a BS video.  Surprise that the Ram with the most HP goes the shortest distance.  Tell us something we don't know.   Based on the video, the Toyota was the worst in each class, then Chebby.  

No matter what you have you will find people dogging the competition.  Proof was in the durability test though... Fully stuff.

[1970Moparmann]

well F150 has been #1 best selling truck for years, that's a fact.

I've owned everything.  Each one has it's place.  The Ultimate truck would be the Ford frame, Cummings engine, with an Allison trans.

I've had a Ford that was a lemon, a Dodge that was a lemon, and issues with a Chevy.  It's nice to see how the technology has improved A LOT the last 5 years for all 3.   

[The70RT]

well F150 has been #1 best selling truck for years, that's a fact.

And us Americans have been the testers.....and they keep going back for more. I wonder why??? 

[1969chargerrtse]

Interesting stuff.  Good video.  I can understand why Ford made it, because they worked hard to make sure their trucks would win.  Looked fool proof and honest to me. 

[tan top]

damn that Toymotor  truck looked like it would split in half doing a few silver creeks 

[chargerman67]

My friend purchased a fully loaded tundra last year. It seems nice, but it looked pretty crappy here. I'll make sure I don't show him this video lol. I'm not a truck guy at all but if chevy, dodge, and yota had fairy creek or whatever that place is called to test their trucks on as the engineers work on them I'm sure they would have done better.

[Silver R/T]

Honda has a "truck" as well. I don't see it here guys. Oh wait, maybe cause its underpowered pos. And like they say "if you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!"

[Todd Wilson]

well F150 has been #1 best selling truck for years, that's a fact.

Thats because they sell cheap crappy trucks. Lots of people want cheap over quality.
You arent going to find a Dodge or Chevy half ton for 14000$ new anywhere.


Todd

[grdprx]

Interesting video, but each manufacturer could probably each make one that would make their truck look good...   Well, except Toyota!      

[Mike DC]

                                 


I think the ideal musclecar would be the Charger frame, powered by the Charger engine, with the Charger tranny. 
   

[bull]

well F150 has been #1 best selling truck for years, that's a fact.

Now Silver is parroting Ford ads. Do they use the same engine in the F150 as they do in your 4-second Mustang?

[Silver R/T]

well F150 has been #1 best selling truck for years, that's a fact.

Now Silver is parroting Ford ads. Do they use the same engine in the F150 as they do in your 4-second Mustang?

I have a 4 second Mustang? Let me check garage....nope! You've been drinking way too much there bud

[Silver R/T]

As much as I like my Cummins it's too bad I can't get good ol' Kamaz from back where I come from
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUj6VQTVndU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmGIDyvuRDU&feature=related

[derailed]

Reading Mike Rowes name in the title of the video is about as far as I got. There all just nuts and bolts, all break sooner or later and all seem to have there own special place they like to rust. Fords over the rear wheels, Toyotas in the rear frame area, Chebbies on the rockers and Dodges wherever there's a body panel.

[Cooter]

I can tell you this with thenew mandated MDS on the Chebbies and the rest now to try and squeeze the last drop of mileage out of these trucks, you will have far more problems to deal with than a frame issue....2010 Chebbies have finally messed up the LS motor..Tha select cyl. kill sh*t is destroying engines.....Less than 40K on a new Chevy a buddy has and the dealer is installing a new engine as we speak....

[Mike DC]

           
I believe the stiffer Ford frame in the videos would make it ride better and handle tighter on the highway.  But it's also gonna render the frame more fragile and crack-prone than if it just flexed like truck frames traditionally always have.  The Toyota truck's flexing is too much but there's nothing so terrible about keeping some flex in a truck frame. 

That kind of tighter perimeter frame structure might really help a fullsize car like a Crown Vic though.  Too bad they finally quit making that platform. 
 

[elacruze]

Why does anybody think that any company builds more quality into their product than necessary to market it?

I give full marks to Ford for the new F150 (I got an inside look at the plant, as Ford was a customer when the plant first opened)

Keep in mind while viewing this marketing video that while it may be valid, it has nothing at all to do with the way 99% of truck owners use their 'trucks'.

My '68 D200 will flat smoke any of those trucks in any loaded performance test (except trailering and engine performance, 318 2bbl) but would probably kill the driver while running the test ditch.

I noticed that nobody ran the truck through the ditch while loaded and pulling the trailer...

[ODZKing]

I hear all the time "Toyota/Honda ... they last forever".  Who ever started that farce is a genius, because some people really believe it.
If they last forever, where are all the 70's and 80's Toyota's and Honda's?  They're not around my area.  They've rusted away to nothing just like any other vehicle.
They don't last any longer than anything else well taken care of today.
Just my  

[derailed]

I hear all the time "Toyota/Honda ... they last forever".  Who ever started that farce is a genius because some people really believe it.
If they last forever, where are al the 70's and 80's Toyota's and Honda's?  They're not around my area.  They've rusted away to nothing just any other vehicle.
They don't last any longer than anything else well taken care of today.
Just my  

I agree, same goes with all the way overpriced used, rusted diesel pickups on the market. I get a kick out of reading those ads on craigslist.

[Silver R/T]

Silly Japs, TOYs are for kids

[SRT-68]

Ford sells the most trucks because they are 6-8k less then chebby or Dodge. I have owned Dodge trucks and vans for the last 25 years and other than the cheap interior parts breaking apart, they have proven to be strong and reliable. My daily driver is a '06 Ram with the 5.7l hemi. It drives great, pulls a trailer like a dream and gets pretty good fuel mileage. My '55 pickup has a '03 hemi drive train that had 120k miles on it when I put it in. Still going strong.

The toyota is just another Japanese copy of a real vehicle. More proof that Americans will buy things on hype rather than fact. In the 80s honda and toyota made a better quality econo car. That legacy clouds people's minds. Way more people have died from the toyota throttle flaw then ever died in a ford pinto crash. But toyota spends millions on spin campaigns and marketing and the average buyer gets all of their info from the TV. I get sick watching toyota ads telling me how they are spending millions on safety and how their technology is helping high school football teams and other BS. Flawed toyota technology killed Americans. They knew it and tried to cover it up.

I watched the video and although there is some ford bias, it looked fair to me. What they are showing was at least a real test.

Rant over.

[ODZKing]

   Excellent observaion.

Ford sells the most trucks because they are 6-8k less then chebby or Dodge. I have owned Dodge trucks and vans for the last 25 years and other than the cheap interior parts breaking apart, they have proven to be strong and reliable. My daily driver is a '06 Ram with the 5.7l hemi. It drives great, pulls a trailer like a dream and gets pretty good fuel mileage. My '55 pickup has a '03 hemi drive train that had 120k miles on it when I put it in. Still going strong.

The toyota is just another Japanese copy of a real vehicle. More proof that Americans will buy things on hype rather than fact. In the 80s honda and toyota made a better quality econo car. That legacy clouds people's minds. Way more people have died from the toyota throttle flaw then ever died in a ford pinto crash. But toyota spends millions on spin campaigns and marketing and the average buyer gets all of their info from the TV. I get sick watching toyota ads telling me how they are spending millions on safety and how their technology is helping high school football teams and other BS. Flawed toyota technology killed Americans. They knew it and tried to cover it up.

I watched the video and although there is some ford bias, it looked fair to me. What they are showing was at least a real test.

Rant over.

[68charger383]

I hear all the time "Toyota/Honda ... they last forever".  Who ever started that farce is a genius, because some people really believe it.
If they last forever, where are all the 70's and 80's Toyota's and Honda's?  They're not around my area.  They've rusted away to nothing just like any other vehicle.
They don't last any longer than anything else well taken care of today.
Just my  

I grant you Ford won the course their truck was designed to drive on and I was pretty surprised by the Toyota   . However, 95% of Americans never touch the dirt with their trucks/SUVs let alone a dry river bottom (lets add some water and retest). So bottomline is which truck will still be driving to get groceries at 100,000, 150,000 and then 200,000 miles?

I don't know, I have had a Toyota 4x4 PU that got 185,000 and last I checked on Carfax, was at 230,000, a Toyota corolla that I'm still using as my daily driver with 165,000 on the clock. I only changed the clutch on the truck and the front brakes on the corolla.

[Bobs69]

Did anyone else notice the gas cap door trying to fly open on the dodge when it was going thru the speed bumps.

That toyota was a shocker.  I mean that box!  WOW WHAT A BOX!  Could it ever move, how many of us could keep up with a box like that.  Scary!!

[elacruze]

Did anyone else notice the gas cap door trying to fly open on the dodge when it was going thru the speed bumps.

That toyota was a shocker.  I mean that box!  WOW WHAT A BOX!  Could it ever move, how many of us could keep up with a box like that.  Scary!!

I'm trying not to open a can of worms here, but one very important element of offroad performance is flexibility. Toyota 4x4 vehicles have outperformed *All* American brands since day one, at every size and price point. Part of the reason is chassis articulation. 

Anybody here ever driven both a Toyota Hilux and a Ford Ranger 4x4?

[Silver R/T]

Check out this Blazer, has over 300K miles, just needs tranny rebuild
I don't see Toyotas with 300K running around
http://spokane.craigslist.org/cto/2149998331.html

[68charger383]

Check out this Blazer, has over 300K miles, just needs tranny rebuild
I don't see Toyotas with 300K running around
http://spokane.craigslist.org/cto/2149998331.html

I'll double your 300,000 to 600,000 and raise you a toyota truck that still has the original tranny  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OemiomXcclA

[Silver R/T]

Ya, I still have original transmission in my Charger, how about that?
As for a LOT of miles, check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYum5V90O_Y

[The70RT]

Ya, I still have original transmission in my Charger, how about that?
As for a LOT of miles, check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYum5V90O_Y

Yeah but they never mentioned how many rebuilds 

[Silver R/T]

Ya, I still have original transmission in my Charger, how about that?
As for a LOT of miles, check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYum5V90O_Y

Yes, so does Toyota. Did you know that you're supposed to change fluid every 15K?
No wonder most of the cars in the repair shops are imports

Yeah but they never mentioned how many rebuilds 

[The70RT]

Ya, I still have original transmission in my Charger, how about that?
As for a LOT of miles, check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYum5V90O_Y

Yes, so does Toyota. Did you know that you're supposed to change fluid every 15K?
No wonder most of the cars in the repair shops are imports

Yeah but they never mentioned how many rebuilds  

My Dodge Ram pickup manual says change the rear diff fluid every 12K...pretty crazy. My AT went out a 30K 

[Silver R/T]

You should get rid of that POS and get yourself a Toyota then 

[The70RT]

You should get rid of that POS and get yourself a Toyota then 

I didn't say I was partial to Toyota but a facts a fact. If I bail out now I loose 10K since I still owe on it fooo.

[Silver R/T]

Which tranny is in the truck?

[The70RT]

Which tranny is in the truck?

Automatic....from what I hear they are junk  

[Silver R/T]

that would be 47RE?

[The70RT]

yeah

[Bobs69]

Check out this Blazer, has over 300K miles, just needs tranny rebuild
I don't see Toyotas with 300K running around
http://spokane.craigslist.org/cto/2149998331.html

WHAT!?  They're all over the place.

Ontario, Canada.

[Silver R/T]

automatic trans suck in any car unless built up imo

[The70RT]

automatic trans suck in any car unless built up imo

I had stock C-6 Fords go 200K. Floored them everywhere they went, loaded trailer or not.

[Bobs69]

Did anyone else notice the gas cap door trying to fly open on the dodge when it was going thru the speed bumps.

That toyota was a shocker.  I mean that box!  WOW WHAT A BOX!  Could it ever move, how many of us could keep up with a box like that.  Scary!!

I'm trying not to open a can of worms here, but one very important element of offroad performance is flexibility. Toyota 4x4 vehicles have outperformed *All* American brands since day one, at every size and price point. Part of the reason is chassis articulation. 

Anybody here ever driven both a Toyota Hilux and a Ford Ranger 4x4?

I've always said if I ever by a truck it would be the Tacoma.  Don't know if it's the looks or the commercials got to me. 

[derailed]

I would love a new Tundra if they were in my price range, but if I were going to spend that much money on a truck it would have 10 wheels and a 13 speed. My old 96 F350 Powerstroke just turned 78000. I imagine it will be around for awhile.

[Silver R/T]

automatic trans suck in any car unless built up imo

I had stock C-6 Fords go 200K. Floored them everywhere they went, loaded trailer or not.

Problem is that your C-6 was behind a smaller hp/tq rated engine than what is in your Dodge. Torque is a tranny killer

[The70RT]

automatic trans suck in any car unless built up imo

I had stock C-6 Fords go 200K. Floored them everywhere they went, loaded trailer or not.

Problem is that your C-6 was behind a smaller hp/tq rated engine than what is in your Dodge. Torque is a tranny killer

Ok 

[derailed]

automatic trans suck in any car unless built up imo

I had stock C-6 Fords go 200K. Floored them everywhere they went, loaded trailer or not.

Problem is that your C-6 was behind a smaller hp/tq rated engine than what is in your Dodge. Torque is a tranny killer

Would be willing to bet if it was behind a cummins it would probably hold up all the same.

[Silver R/T]

automatic trans suck in any car unless built up imo

I had stock C-6 Fords go 200K. Floored them everywhere they went, loaded trailer or not.

Problem is that your C-6 was behind a smaller hp/tq rated engine than what is in your Dodge. Torque is a tranny killer

Would be willing to bet if it was behind a cummins it would probably hold up ll the same.

Actually that's what I have in my truck and so do many others at http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/index.php
It's good trans as long as you don't abuse it, if you do plan to put aftermarket upgrades on truck it's advisable to upgrade it. These trannies are bulletproof once upgraded
Please read http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/98-5-02-powertrain/357329-automatic-trans-ok.html