70 HEMI Charger

[clanton]

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/2111559099.html

I called this guy 2 times. I do belive the car is real, but the owner has no fender tag and no build sheet. He did say he has the IBM card, which I think Chrysler stopped using in 1967. He had the car inspected by Galen Govier. He bought the car from the original owner, who knows that he has both the build sheet and fender tag, but cannot find them. I find it hard to buy this car, it's a great price, but without the fender tag and build sheet, I just cannot do it.

[greenpigs]

  Check stamping on radiator suport and rear lip of trunk for VIN number. Plus motor should have VIN stamped on it as well. I would put more faith in those items than a build sheet or fender tag.

[clanton]

This guy said Galen spent about 4 hours looking over the car. Its not that I do not believe it's real. Without the fender tag and build sheet, it's hard to buy it. It's driving me crazy.

[68X426]

IBM cards ended in 1967. 

He's being sloppy with facts to make a sale. Not a good salesman, but also not proof of dishonesty either.

[tan top]

not that it means anything really but the pentastar has been painted over on the fender  

sounds a bit iffy !!  perhaps its legit but , someone elses scam  ,  phone & ask to look at it in person 
dare say its genuine but i'm always on the look out & thinking some deals are too good to be true   

[68X426]

I'm confused. What's new.

Govier states that he does decode and validations only with the original and authentic fender tag and BS. Yet there isn't either available. Is the seller saying that GG made an exception for him and this car?

[clanton]

The seller says its been repainted. Whats kinda strange is, that its optioned with a luggage tray and rear stripe. I thought luggage rack nulls the stripe. 50 grand is still 50 grand, and that is a huge bet on someone finding the fender tag and build sheet.

[maxwellwedge]

IBM cards ended in 1967.  

He's being sloppy with facts to make a sale. Not a good salesman, but also not proof of dishonesty either.

There were still IBM cards after that but they were used for quality control on certain areas of the car.

[Richard Cranium]

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/2111559099.html

I find it hard to buy this car, it's a great price, but without the fender tag and build sheet, I just cannot do it.

For that car, which will need a total restoration, I question whether 49 large REALLY a good price? Look at it this way; find out what a fully restored car is worth in today's market, then figure out what you believe the restoration expenses will cost you. Once you've done that, add 25-35%. Of course don't bother adding your labor because it aint worth squat.

[Richard Cranium]

I'm confused. What's new.

Govier states that he does decode and validations only with the original and authentic fender tag and BS. Yet there isn't either available. Is the seller saying that GG made an exception for him and this car?

The Guru's performed a Vulcan mind meld with the car.

[clanton]

  hmmmm mind meld is that how he did it?

[472 R/T SE]

The seller says its been repainted. Whats kinda strange is, that its optioned with a luggage tray and rear stripe. I thought luggage rack nulls the stripe. 50 grand is still 50 grand, and that is a huge bet on someone finding the fender tag and build sheet.

It's the longitudinal stripe coded, not the bumblebee.

If we were in a better financial state I'd be all over that car. 

[clanton]

Dang sure is one hell of a deal though, can't stop thinking about it. 

[maxwellwedge]

April 15th SPD with that VIN number?  Surprised the Guru didn't pick up on that.....Doesn't look right to me.....Anyone else have a later St. Louis built 70?

[vancamp]

I'm confused. What's new.

Govier states that he does decode and validations only with the original and authentic fender tag and BS. Yet there isn't either available. Is the seller saying that GG made an exception for him and this car?

The Guru's performed a Vulcan mind meld with the car.

obviously there was a fender tag when the car was looked at by Galen if you look at the paperwork there are all the codes of the tag may have been inspected when a previous owner had and this seller has the paerwork, but the tag was removed and misplaced just a theory.

[maxwellwedge]

He will do a report if you read the numbers to him on the phone.....This is a tag report not a visual inspection.

[clanton]

Somethings fishy. 

[472 R/T SE]

I thought the report was from Galen making up the tag & Diane asking him or the owner to review it so it could be sent off to Backeast for a tag to be made?

Perhaps that's why the SPD is off as Jim mentioned.  He's guessing & using the cars he has in his database to come up with numbers?

[69rtse4spd]

Must be a Chevy guy, looks like traction bars on it. I agree, for that kind of money I would look at it in person. 

[472 R/T SE]

Does it even have a drivetrain in it?  If so, is it #'s matching?

[DC_1]

Does it even have a drivetrain in it?  If so, is it #'s matching?

Did you miss the CL link at the top? It shows the ad and it states #s matching

[472 R/T SE]

Doh, sorry 'bout that.  I'm just a middle man asking questions for my buddy who's puter illiterate.  

I'll email him a brow beatin'.  

After looking a little closer what's with the A04 code?

[1969chargerrtse]

Why do people selling Hemi cars not show an engine shot.    I'm not crazy about the look of the car.  

[tan top]

I'm confused. What's new.

Govier states that he does decode and validations only with the original and authentic fender tag and BS. Yet there isn't either available. Is the seller saying that GG made an exception for him and this car?

The Guru's performed a Vulcan mind meld with the car.

haha thats funny RC  


A04 radio group

[hemi68charger]

Are we talking about these "IBM" cards? Some may be getting the certicard confused with the IBM punch computer card. The punch cards like this definitely didn't end in '67. Here's a picture of the original IBM punch card out of my former '71 Charger R/T survivor I found on the passenger front floor pan.

[hemi68charger]

This guy said Galen spent about 4 hours looking over the car. Its not that I do not believe it's real. Without the fender tag and build sheet, it's hard to buy it. It's driving me crazy.

If it's a real "R" code, what's the problem? The VIN and the body stampings will verify this. Now, verifying the original color, tranny , etc is another story. But, to forego an original "R" '70 Charger R/T because of this is, well... I would put more thought into it... There aren't that many '70 Hemi Chargers floating around let alone ever built.... If you can get this car at a good price, you had better think some more....  Who knows, the original owner could find it the next day....

[1BAD68]

Build sheet is just a cherry on your sundae.
The fender tag missing is a bummer but if the vin#, engine# and body stampings match its worth making an offer.

[clanton]

Well, this guy just bought the car a few months ago and is turning it over. If he is selling it at 49, no doubt he bought it for less than that. Why such a low price? And why would he buy it without the fender tag and build sheet? Why would the first seller not find the fender tag or BS, if he said he had it, especially on such a special car? It really wouldnt be that hard to have a vin tag fabricated, restamp a block, and the body.  

[1BAD68]

If he bought the car a few months ago, I highly doubt GG looked at it.
I mean it takes over a year just to respond to an email.

[gtx6970]

If you really know what to look for calling out a fake is not that hard to do. from the pictures posted it doesn't look that bad, then again it's just pictures

Me personally if the price condition reflects the price, and in this case I think it does. and would warrent a look see if your in the market to buy. $49K for a 1970 Hemi Charger with it's supposed matching #'s drivetrain intact and in a good color combo as a decent starting point is not that bad.
With a fair amount of research and investigative work figuring out the primary codes found on a tag is a reasonable possibillity.

On the other hand buying one without said tag or sheet. I personally  would not do, unless it was dirt cheap and in this case it is not

[hemi68charger]

After looking at the car.. .Lordy !!!!  With the car being decoded by Galen already and him having made the documentation in the first place, he could make a replacement tag. You have everything you need there. Like Bill mentioned, verifying the Hemi-specific body parts isn't difficult. It looks almost ready to rock-n-roll !!!!  If I had $49K, I'd be buying it tomorrow.......... Shoot, it's a factory luggage rack car too... I have one of those nice-little puppies sitting in my garage...

[Chris G.]

April 15th SPD with that VIN number?  Surprised the Guru didn't pick up on that.....Doesn't look right to me.....Anyone else have a later St. Louis built 70?

VIN and SPD match just fine.

[charger Downunder]

I would want to talk to the first owner before i bought it

[maxwellwedge]

April 15th SPD with that VIN number?  Surprised the Guru didn't pick up on that.....Doesn't look right to me.....Anyone else have a later St. Louis built 70?

VIN and SPD match just fine.

Really? - I would have thought they would be in the 3's or 4's by April....unless St. Louis was like LA built stuff and had low-ish VIN's....Do you have a one or two near that date?

[Chris G.]

Really? - I would have thought they would be in the 3's or 4's by April....unless St. Louis was like LA built stuff and had low-ish VIN's....Do you have a one or two near that date?

Since '70 Chargers were only built in St. Louis and on one line, the numbers never exceeded 260000. I know with 69's getting built in Hamtramck with high VIN's, it sometimes gets a little confusing.

At this point, we (The Registry) can pretty much tell anyone the exact date their car was built on from the VIN. 

As far as the car, not sure of all the in's and out's of it, but if that's a legit Hemi EV2 with white, it's a super cool color combo and for that price should not last long...if legit.

[maxwellwedge]

Really? - I would have thought they would be in the 3's or 4's by April....unless St. Louis was like LA built stuff and had low-ish VIN's....Do you have a one or two near that date?

Since '70 Chargers were only built in St. Louis and on one line, the numbers never exceeded 260000. I know with 69's getting built in Hamtramck with high VIN's, it sometimes gets a little confusing.

At this point, we (The Registry) can pretty much tell anyone the exact date their car was built on from the VIN.  

As far as the car, not sure of all the in's and out's of it, but if that's a legit Hemi EV2 with white, it's a super cool color combo and for that price should not last long...if legit.

Thanks for that! Mine was built 912 (121102) so I didn't have any later ones to go by.

If the car is legit it is definitely a great combo!

[Chris G.]

Right now we have 20 Chargers built on 912...your's being the only Hemi. 

[68X426]

 

Craig says: This posting has been deleted by its author.

[greenpigs]

Well to state the obvious I guess someone pulled the trigger or called his bluff.

[Chris G.]

If anybody saved those pics, can you please send them my way?

chris@1970chargerregistry.com 

[DC_1]

If anybody saved those pics, can you please send them my way?

chris@1970chargerregistry.com 

I just tried the link. It was still working for me. I.ll email the pics to you Chris.

[tan top]

cant see it either !! says been deleted    seems fishy ?? unless been sold 

[DC_1]

If anybody saved those pics, can you please send them my way?

chris@1970chargerregistry.com 

I just tried the link. It was still working for me. I.ll email the pics to you Chris.

Chris, I sent you the 2 pics of the car along with the Build Sheet and listing description

[tan top]

its on Ebay now   

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-charger-rt-numbers-matching-426-hemi-/230577209765?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item35af7901a5

[tan top]

 

hmmm only one 4 barrel hooked up   

[tan top]

 

[Blakcharger440]

This guy said Galen spent about 4 hours looking over the car. Its not that I do not believe it's real. Without the fender tag and build sheet, it's hard to buy it. It's driving me crazy.

Ehh...what does it really matter. Just say it is real then that makes it fact. There are other supposedly rare cars out there that dont have any documentation but they lay claim to being legit anyways. 

I dont agree with it but that seems the way this hobby is going.

[Richard Cranium]

That car need a loooooot of work.

[68X426]

We'll I'm wrong on the IBM cards. I said 1967 was the end date, based on numerous sources, the most oft sited being allpar. So there it is. a 1970 St. Louis IBM card. Sorry.

That fuel line is one sweet custom set up.

[6pkrtse]

I like it. Just can't afford to play with any real HEMI car.

[hemi68charger]

hmmm only one 4 barrel hooked up   

Better gas mileage...........   

[Brock Samson]

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[Sean]

so any updates on this?