1000 Point Perfect 68 Hemi Charger @ Muscle Car Nationals

[moparstuart]

Emission decal is in front of the washer bottle. I have never seen that. I'm use to seeing it on the drivers side inner fender.

Does that only apply for a Hemicar or is that general for a -68?

Per

My '68 383 Charger has it on the passenger side like that and it is original.

must be a 68 thing then 

[DC_1]

I've seen it on either side on 68s and wondered about that. Could it be a build date thing? 684spdRT, what is the build date of your car?

[694spdRT]

I've seen it on either side on 68s and wondered about that. Could it be a build date thing? 684spdRT, what is the build date of your car?

From memory it is a March built car. It could be different depending on the assembly plant as well.

[694spdRT]

BTW: I think mine is from the Hamtramck assembly line.

[68X426]

I've seen it on either side on 68s and wondered about that.

I just assumed the line workers came back from lunch after several Pabsts and slapped that sticker on which ever side they felt like.

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Saw this car over the weekend at the show - AMAZING CAR!!!

[706pkvert]

Here's a discussion over on Moparts.

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6313217&an=0&page=0#Post6313217

[bull]

Hmmm. I thought the steering rez lids were silver.

Beautiful car. The standard has been set.

[clownin mopar]

Hmmm. I thought the steering rez lids were silver.

Beautiful car. The standard has been set.

The standard has been set-really??
Just goes to show if you sponsor a car show you can get a perfect score-just like Moser did at St Louis-Monster Mopar.
Maybe someone should point out the easy/obvious stuff.
1.The pulleys on the car are wrong. HEMI belts ride on the outside alternator pulley if they are double (after Jan) and depending on the date of the car, it could be a single pulley.
2.All the hoses are reproduction-and the rad hose is not even the correct shape for a HEMI car.
3. 68 Radiators never had "made in canada" stamped on them from the production line-this was a service item thing.
4. All the wiring on the car is repo-batt cables and all-look at the color of the pos cable.
5. Regulator is upside down and is the wrong color for 68-it should be red.
6.The weatherstrip & glue is wrong
7. etc etc etc....just look and you will find them-this is basically a reproduction Charger and hardly authentic/correct.
The car is beautiful no doubt. Unfortunately there were cars at the show that were more correct. This leads to problems when someone starts to look at this car as a reference and repeats the same mistakes because some judges gave it a perfect score. I've been in this hobby for 40 years and have started to see this more and more.

[Magnumcharger]

Hmmm. I thought the steering rez lids were silver.

Beautiful car. The standard has been set.

The standard has been set-really??
Just goes to show if you sponsor a car show you can get a perfect score-just like Moser did at St Louis-Monster Mopar.
Maybe someone should point out the easy/obvious stuff.
1.The pulleys on the car are wrong. HEMI belts ride on the outside alternator pulley if they are double (after Jan) and depending on the date of the car, it could be a single pulley.
2.All the hoses are reproduction-and the rad hose is not even the correct shape for a HEMI car.
3. 68 Radiators never had "made in canada" stamped on them from the production line-this was a service item thing.
4. All the wiring on the car is repo-batt cables and all-look at the color of the pos cable.
5. Regulator is upside down and is the wrong color for 68-it should be red.
6.The weatherstrip & glue is wrong
7. etc etc etc....just look and you will find them-this is basically a reproduction Charger and hardly authentic/correct.
The car is beautiful no doubt. Unfortunately there were cars at the show that were more correct. This leads to problems when someone starts to look at this car as a reference and repeats the same mistakes because some judges gave it a perfect score. I've been in this hobby for 40 years and have started to see this more and more.

Lovely...and the debate continues!!

[KEISLER]

Just goes to show if you sponsor a car show you can get a perfect score-just like Moser did at St Louis-Monster Mopar.

I don't feel this is a fair statement, and it questions the credibility of the other points you mention which are reasonable questions to ask.  Finer Details was one of many sponsors of the show, my company included.  Bob Ashton runs a top flight event and it is not fair or reasonable to accuse MCACN of rigging the results.

The judges are judging all makes and models of cars (Chevy, BOP, AMC, Ford, Mopar).  Ted's car is an incredible piece, and from the judges collective viewpoint, they had not seen any finer of a car to date.  Bob Ashton explained to the entire crowd attending the award ceremony that the lead judge had been judging muscle cars for 30 years, and this was the first perfect score he gave in the history of his judging.  And he was just one judge of a team of judges that all scored the car perfect.  Whether the judges are right or wrong is a matter of debate for Mopar experts and I imagine that debate will continue until some consensus is reached.   
Shafi Keisler

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

Hmmm. I thought the steering rez lids were silver.

Beautiful car. The standard has been set.

The standard has been set-really??
Just goes to show if you sponsor a car show you can get a perfect score-just like Moser did at St Louis-Monster Mopar.
Maybe someone should point out the easy/obvious stuff.
1.The pulleys on the car are wrong. HEMI belts ride on the outside alternator pulley if they are double (after Jan) and depending on the date of the car, it could be a single pulley.
2.All the hoses are reproduction-and the rad hose is not even the correct shape for a HEMI car.
3. 68 Radiators never had "made in canada" stamped on them from the production line-this was a service item thing.
4. All the wiring on the car is repo-batt cables and all-look at the color of the pos cable.
5. Regulator is upside down and is the wrong color for 68-it should be red.
6.The weatherstrip & glue is wrong
7. etc etc etc....just look and you will find them-this is basically a reproduction Charger and hardly authentic/correct.
The car is beautiful no doubt. Unfortunately there were cars at the show that were more correct. This leads to problems when someone starts to look at this car as a reference and repeats the same mistakes because some judges gave it a perfect score. I've been in this hobby for 40 years and have started to see this more and more.

Hum.. that's funny that a team of judges and other mopar restorers there thought that it was the most correct/authentic.  First time in the history of the show, even since the days as Chevy Vettefest did a car win a perfect 1000. 

[SFRT]

this sort of thing seems pretty futile too me in the long run, as years go by. It actually sort of depresses me..the thought that people arer arguing this sort of thing. takes all the fun out of a car. I really cant even stand to look at these super flawless cars any more. Talk about killing a vibe. All the romance ande 'possibility' have been sucked out of the car. i would much rather see a line of half assed, in progress, driven qnd or raced
totally incorrect and modified cars that are alive. those cars have soul.

I guess it must be nice to spend a zillion dollars on a car you cannot drive. or maybe it sucks..case in point:

One of our club members has a completely original low mile 1970 hemi cuda. he spent a good 12 years tracking it down, and basically sold his left nut to get it....now, 10 years later, he cannot drive the car, as all those awesome perfect red dot shaped parts have deteriorated to the point where the thing barely runs and drives. I have driven it and its like a nightmare to drive, its so wobbly and fucked....and, as he has gotten older, he no longer has the financial resources to be able to replace any of the oem factory date coded correct bullshit...so in order for the car to actually become a functioning car again, and not a paperweight he would have to 'ruin' his car. he cant repaint or repair it, its too precious. neither can he drive it. its sad. and, of course he cannot sell it because he can never afford to get another 'real' one again..so there it sits..looking awesome, every part perfect, and completely useless.

the hell with that. these perfect cars are now in some zone of rich and or insane people, and no longer exist in my reality..where my 'fake' and shitty non correct car can actually be started up, driven like hell and enjoyed.



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my lovely zero pointer..lol, now dont get me wrong, i would LOVE to have a 1000 point car..given to me, so I could instantly sell the thing and build me 2 or 3 hoon rockets and go have a ton of fun doing burnouts as I leave car shows.

[clownin mopar]

My point was not to attack anyone, since I don't know Moser personally, I can't say anything bad about him. I apologize if that was taken that way. BUT, the reality is what it is. When someone sponsors a show, they should not be allowed to compete, as it is a conflict of interest no matter how you try to twist or manipulate the subject matter. I have heard many complaints about this lately so it is a real concern.
I question the knowledge of judges who allow obvious mistakes to pass as perfect. If you think the things I pointed out are debatable, you need to research ORIGINAL MOPARS! Everything I pointed out can be proven if you take the time to look. As the old saying goes, if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen!
Whether the judges have been judging for 30 years is irrelevant. I have seen carpenters, in my line of work, who have built houses for 30 years and still don't do things correctly.
If you read my original post, you will understand my point that poeple will build a car, based off this car, BECAUSE A TEAM OF JUDGES SCORED IT PERFECT!

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

this sort of thing seems pretty futile too me in the long run, as years go by. It actually sort of depresses me..the thought that people arer arguing this sort of thing. takes all the fun out of a car. I really cant even stand to look at these super flawless cars any more. Talk about killing a vibe. All the romance ande 'possibility' have been sucked out of the car. i would much rather see a line of half assed, in progress, driven qnd or raced
totally incorrect and modified cars that are alive. those cars have soul.

I guess it must be nice to spend a zillion dollars on a car you cannot drive. or maybe it sucks..case in point:

One of our club members has a completely original low mile 1970 hemi cuda. he spent a good 12 years tracking it down, and basically sold his left nut to get it....now, 10 years later, he cannot drive the car, as all those awesome perfect red dot shaped parts have deteriorated to the point where the thing barely runs and drives. I have driven it and its like a nightmare to drive, its so wobbly and fucked....and, as he has gotten older, he no longer has the financial resources to be able to replace any of the oem factory date coded correct bullshit...so in order for the car to actually become a functioning car again, and not a paperweight he would have to 'ruin' his car. he cant repaint or repair it, its too precious. neither can he drive it. its sad. and, of course he cannot sell it because he can never afford to get another 'real' one again..so there it sits..looking awesome, every part perfect, and completely useless.

the hell with that. these perfect cars are now in some zone of rich and or insane people, and no longer exist in my reality..where my 'fake' and shitty non correct car can actually be started up, driven like hell and enjoyed.

my lovely zero pointer..lol, now dont get me wrong, i would LOVE to have a 1000 point car..given to me, so I could instantly sell the thing and build me 2 or 3 hoon rockets and go have a ton of fun doing burnouts as I leave car shows.

Talk about killing a vibe.  

That's not the point of this thread.  Why come in and bash those that do like these kinda cars? (I could care less,  I like barn finds, but still an awesome car)  There are thousands of 68 Chargers still out there.  This is the extreme to one end, most of the thousand others are not.  This car is something that people can strive for, to look up too.  Just because you don't like the over-restored cars doesn't mean you have to rant about it and kill the mood.

But congrats, you did anyway.

My point was not to attack anyone, since I don't know Moser personally, I can't say anything bad about him. I apologize if that was taken that way. BUT, the reality is what it is. When someone sponsors a show, they should not be allowed to compete, as it is a conflict of interest no matter how you try to twist or manipulate the subject matter. I have heard many complaints about this lately so it is a real concern.
I question the knowledge of judges who allow obvious mistakes to pass as perfect. If you think the things I pointed out are debatable, you need to research ORIGINAL MOPARS! Everything I pointed out can be proven if you take the time to look. As the old saying goes, if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen!
Whether the judges have been judging for 30 years is irrelevant. I have seen carpenters, in my line of work, who have built houses for 30 years and still don't do things correctly.
If you read my original post, you will understand my point that poeple will build a car, based off this car, BECAUSE A TEAM OF JUDGES SCORED IT PERFECT!

Sounds like you just have something against the car, coming over here from Moparts to bash it.  Usually it is just complaints from people who lost to the car that won that complain the loudest.  They had a 68 Hemi Charger Survivor in the shop to work with.  So they had about as original a mopar as you could get.

[SFRT]

because I think reasonably priced reproduction parts are a blessing and  that the whole 'oem' 5000 dollars for a set of shocks is the only way to 'win' thing is a scam is why. That car is awesome. an awesome paperweight.

[Aero426]

because I think reasonably priced reproduction parts are a blessing and  that the whole 'oem' 5000 dollars for a set of shocks is the only way to 'win' thing is a scam is why. That car is awesome. an awesome paperweight.

The repro parts are wonderful and very much needed.   But at the end of the day, they are aftermarket replacements.    In the all out world of OEM judging, they should not trump an OEM date coded original.  

It is not about buying a win.   It is about making it as close to pure as when it left the assembly line.   Some people are willing to go to the mat and pay whatever it takes to make the car as close to day one as possible.   I am not in that position, but do not begrudge someone who chooses that route.

Some of the above mentioned folks are OK with a car that they will not casually drive.   Some of them have other cars.  Someone them have "been there and done that" beating the crap out of their cars and OEM is new challenge.   Call it a paperweight, an icon, a museum piece, or a trophy unto itself.  It is what it is.   There is room for everyone in the hobby, regardless of which way they want it.    

[paul jacobs]

Congrats Ken on a beautiful restoration. To all who have complaints or criticisms of this or any other car, I say to you, put up or shut up. It's easy to get on the web and profess to know it all and talk about other peoples work. It's a lot harder to dedicate years and lots of money to build the best car you can.
There IS room for everyone in this hobby. The repo parts are nice because there are few NOS parts still left, and when they are, they are like gold.  To those that want the best, only NOS will do, but very few people even appreciate and OE restoration.

[gtx6970]

Congrats Ken on a beautiful restoration. To all who have complaints or criticisms of this or any other car, I say to you, put up or shut up. It's easy to get on the web and profess to know it all and talk about other peoples work. It's a lot harder to dedicate years and lots of money to build the best car you can.
There IS room for everyone in this hobby. The repo parts are nice because there are few NOS parts still left, and when they are, they are like gold.  To those that want the best, only NOS will do, but very few people even appreciate and OE restoration.

I couldn't have said it better myself


It's kind of like drag racing ,,,,,,,how fast can you afford to go

[A383Wing]

[maxwellwedge]

Hmmm. I thought the steering rez lids were silver.

Beautiful car. The standard has been set.

Black is correct - All the silver ones you see are old NOS replacements or incorect resto's.

[maxwellwedge]

Hmmm. I thought the steering rez lids were silver.

Beautiful car. The standard has been set.

The standard has been set-really??
Just goes to show if you sponsor a car show you can get a perfect score-just like Moser did at St Louis-Monster Mopar.
Maybe someone should point out the easy/obvious stuff.
1.The pulleys on the car are wrong. HEMI belts ride on the outside alternator pulley if they are double (after Jan) and depending on the date of the car, it could be a single pulley.
2.All the hoses are reproduction-and the rad hose is not even the correct shape for a HEMI car.
3. 68 Radiators never had "made in canada" stamped on them from the production line-this was a service item thing.
4. All the wiring on the car is repo-batt cables and all-look at the color of the pos cable.
5. Regulator is upside down and is the wrong color for 68-it should be red.
6.The weatherstrip & glue is wrong
7. etc etc etc....just look and you will find them-this is basically a reproduction Charger and hardly authentic/correct.
The car is beautiful no doubt. Unfortunately there were cars at the show that were more correct. This leads to problems when someone starts to look at this car as a reference and repeats the same mistakes because some judges gave it a perfect score. I've been in this hobby for 40 years and have started to see this more and more.

Yes the regulator is upside down - I have seen plenty of yellow ones on original cars though.

[Tilar]

Hmmm. I thought the steering rez lids were silver.

Beautiful car. The standard has been set.

The standard has been set-really??
Just goes to show if you sponsor a car show you can get a perfect score-just like Moser did at St Louis-Monster Mopar.
Maybe someone should point out the easy/obvious stuff.
1.The pulleys on the car are wrong. HEMI belts ride on the outside alternator pulley if they are double (after Jan) and depending on the date of the car, it could be a single pulley.
2.All the hoses are reproduction-and the rad hose is not even the correct shape for a HEMI car.
3. 68 Radiators never had "made in canada" stamped on them from the production line-this was a service item thing.
4. All the wiring on the car is repo-batt cables and all-look at the color of the pos cable.
5. Regulator is upside down and is the wrong color for 68-it should be red.
6.The weatherstrip & glue is wrong
7. etc etc etc....just look and you will find them-this is basically a reproduction Charger and hardly authentic/correct.
The car is beautiful no doubt. Unfortunately there were cars at the show that were more correct. This leads to problems when someone starts to look at this car as a reference and repeats the same mistakes because some judges gave it a perfect score. I've been in this hobby for 40 years and have started to see this more and more.

Yes the regulator is upside down - I have seen plenty of yellow ones on original cars though.

999 bottles of beer on the wall, 999 bottles of beer... Take one down and pass it around...

[Darkman]

Just 1 tiny little scratch and it's all over!

Just imagine the stress the guy goes through when loading and unloading it for shows, not to mention the transport and then people looking at the car.


I agree with SFRT, if you can't drive it, it's not worth it (IMHO). From 50ft away SFRT's car looks no different to a 1000pt car, yet he gets to drive and enjoy it (and so do all the other people he drives past!)....GET IN, SIT DOWN, SHUT UP and HOLD ON is my motto

Don't get me wrong, the guy has done a great job on the resto and he has obviously targeted a certain group of "viewers", I look at it more from the average car enthusiast who looks at it, says "cool, that's a sweet ride", asks a couple of questions then moves on (after taking a couple of photos) rather than those who nitpick and say that bolt is from the wrong year.

[miller]

Hmmm. I thought the steering rez lids were silver.

Beautiful car. The standard has been set.

The standard has been set-really??
Just goes to show if you sponsor a car show you can get a perfect score-just like Moser did at St Louis-Monster Mopar.
Maybe someone should point out the easy/obvious stuff.
1.The pulleys on the car are wrong. HEMI belts ride on the outside alternator pulley if they are double (after Jan) and depending on the date of the car, it could be a single pulley.
2.All the hoses are reproduction-and the rad hose is not even the correct shape for a HEMI car.
3. 68 Radiators never had "made in canada" stamped on them from the production line-this was a service item thing.
4. All the wiring on the car is repo-batt cables and all-look at the color of the pos cable.
5. Regulator is upside down and is the wrong color for 68-it should be red.
6.The weatherstrip & glue is wrong
7. etc etc etc....just look and you will find them-this is basically a reproduction Charger and hardly authentic/correct.
The car is beautiful no doubt. Unfortunately there were cars at the show that were more correct. This leads to problems when someone starts to look at this car as a reference and repeats the same mistakes because some judges gave it a perfect score. I've been in this hobby for 40 years and have started to see this more and more.

I can't believe you have the nerve to call this a perfect car, how could you live with yourself, you might as well crush it.

Seriously though, this car is beautiful, I could only imagine owning a car this increadable!