Condoms For Your Kids Anyone

[Mike DC]

I think its ONLY to the parents to decide when their kids should get some sex ed.

Bristol Palin. 

[skip68]

chuck and i have two kids. the oldest boy is 14, our girl is 8. so we deal with both elementary and middle school issues. now if my boys school was to do this, i would talk to him and explain that i dont believe this is his schools job to teach about sex, and
its the parents job to decide when the kid is "ready" to learn (as all kids have different maturity levels). he's just kissed a girl for the first time recently, and i feel that is normal for his age. Maybe our kid is not the norm, but hes not interested in chasing chicks all over yet. he'd rather go shoot critters on our property.       As far as our 8 yr old goes, if you handed her
a condom, she would think It was a balloon, and blow It up! Lol. To sum It up: I CHOSE TO HAVE THESE KIDS, THEIR MINE, AND I'LL BE DAMNED IF SOMEONE IS GOING TO TELL ME HOW TO RAISE THEM! Mrs.skip68

[Ponch ®]

I guess a point that needs to be raised is that there are some parents that WON'T talk to their kids about sex for a variety of reasons - religious, "they're too young", awkwardness, what have you. Then they act all surprised when little Shirley tells them she's knocked up before she graduates Jr. High.

I have a couple of friends who are middle school teachers. You absolutely would not believe some of the stories they tell me about kids - 6th and 7th graders - getting caught doing things at school...and what their responses usually are.

[Ghoste]

I do believe it Ponch but that in no way obligates the school system to take the decision away from other parents.  That would be the same as saying that because some parents beat their children they should all be taken away from their families and placed in the care of the state.

[last426]

To sum It up: I CHOSE TO HAVE THESE KIDS, THEIR MINE, AND I'LL BE DAMNED IF SOMEONE IS GOING TO TELL ME HOW TO RAISE THEM! Mrs.skip68

Then send your kids to either a private school or home school.  So long as the state is paying for it, the state has the right to insist on what is in the best interest interest of the child and it considers this to be in their best interest (check out "in loco parentis").  Besides, private schools are usually better.  Invest in your kid's future.  Kim

[Ghoste]

Yes, that's a realistic response.  "Do it our way or beat it but either way you get taxed the same so we don't care". (is it worth mentioning that the state isn't paying for education, we are?)
If the state is allowed to make all of the decisions regarding the education of our children then why should we have any part in raising them at all?  Why not house them in an institution until they are old enough to go out on their own?  Why even let them have that choice?  Let's have the state decide when they are able to go on their own and what their occupation should be.  Why not let the state decide where they should live too for that matter?  After all, the state is paying for it so truly they should be able to make all of the decisions regarding that education from what to teach to how best to teach it to where to teach it to how best utilize that teaching investment after it's completed.
If I am paying my taxes and living within the parameters we set as a society and I am expected to be the responsible guardian of children that I bring into the world, then it is absolutely 100% reasonable for me to have every bit of say in the education that I, not the state, but I through my taxes am paying for.

[learical1]

Don't you people elect your school board?     Find out who was in favor in passing out condoms, and vote them out next election. Vote for people who will override the "condom act."  Here in Arizona, you can even attempt to get enough signatures and recall the school board members so you don't have to wait for the next election.

[Ponch ®]

Yes, that's a realistic response.  "Do it our way or beat it but either way you get taxed the same so we don't care". (is it worth mentioning that the state isn't paying for education, we are?)
If the state is allowed to make all of the decisions regarding the education of our children then why should we have any part in raising them at all?  Why not house them in an institution until they are old enough to go out on their own?  Why even let them have that choice?  Let's have the state decide when they are able to go on their own and what their occupation should be.  Why not let the state decide where they should live too for that matter?  After all, the state is paying for it so truly they should be able to make all of the decisions regarding that education from what to teach to how best to teach it to where to teach it to how best utilize that teaching investment after it's completed.
If I am paying my taxes and living within the parameters we set as a society and I am expected to be the responsible guardian of children that I bring into the world, then it is absolutely 100% reasonable for me to have every bit of say in the education that I, not the state, but I through my taxes am paying for.

Its an interesting argument. I'll bring it up next time some parent/kid objects to having to say "under God" or to a Bible group in a public school, or when a school tries to tell a kid he can't wear baggy pants, or that his hair is too long, or that he can't wear an earring, or that they can't take a same sex date to the prom.

[John_Kunkel]

I think its ONLY to the parents to decide when their kids should get some sex ed.

Bristol Palin.

Good example, if her parents had taught birth control instead of abstinence she might not be the butt of jokes.

[PocketThunder]

I guess a point that needs to be raised is that there are some parents that WON'T talk to their kids about sex for a variety of reasons - religious, "they're too young", awkwardness, what have you. Then they act all surprised when little Shirley tells them she's knocked up before she graduates Jr. High.

That reminds me of when my Dad had the talk with me.  It was after my freshman year of college, i was home for the summer and i was out in Dads shop working and at the end of the day as i was leaving we met at the door of the shop and he says, "hey, hold on a minute, um, you know about using condoms right?" i said, um yep.  He says "Ok, good talk son"    

[moparstuart]

I guess a point that needs to be raised is that there are some parents that WON'T talk to their kids about sex for a variety of reasons - religious, "they're too young", awkwardness, what have you. Then they act all surprised when little Shirley tells them she's knocked up before she graduates Jr. High.

That reminds me of when my Dad had the talk with me.  It was after my freshman year of college, i was home for the summer and i was out in Dads shop working and at the end of the day as i was leaving we met at the door of the shop and he says, "hey, hold on a minute, um, you know about using condoms right?" i said, um yep.  He says "Ok, good talk son"    

freshman in college  , he waited way to long to have the talk   

[Ponch ®]

I guess a point that needs to be raised is that there are some parents that WON'T talk to their kids about sex for a variety of reasons - religious, "they're too young", awkwardness, what have you. Then they act all surprised when little Shirley tells them she's knocked up before she graduates Jr. High.

That reminds me of when my Dad had the talk with me.  It was after my freshman year of college, i was home for the summer and i was out in Dads shop working and at the end of the day as i was leaving we met at the door of the shop and he says, "hey, hold on a minute, um, you know about using condoms right?" i said, um yep.  He says "Ok, good talk son"    

My talk went more like this:

- "Son...it's time we had a talk about sex"
Me: "ok..what do you wanna know?"

[Old Moparz]

I doubt that first graders will be asking for the condoms unless they offer them in a variety of bright colors, or in flavors like bubble gum, wild cherry or grape. You know how important that stuff is, it's a kid thing.

[RECHRGD]

Yes, that's a realistic response.  "Do it our way or beat it but either way you get taxed the same so we don't care". (is it worth mentioning that the state isn't paying for education, we are?)
If the state is allowed to make all of the decisions regarding the education of our children then why should we have any part in raising them at all?  Why not house them in an institution until they are old enough to go out on their own?  Why even let them have that choice?  Let's have the state decide when they are able to go on their own and what their occupation should be.  Why not let the state decide where they should live too for that matter?  After all, the state is paying for it so truly they should be able to make all of the decisions regarding that education from what to teach to how best to teach it to where to teach it to how best utilize that teaching investment after it's completed.
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Back in the USSR-----You don't know how lucky are boy-----Back in the USSR.

Beatles, 1969

[Ghoste]

Yes, that's a realistic response.  "Do it our way or beat it but either way you get taxed the same so we don't care". (is it worth mentioning that the state isn't paying for education, we are?)
If the state is allowed to make all of the decisions regarding the education of our children then why should we have any part in raising them at all?  Why not house them in an institution until they are old enough to go out on their own?  Why even let them have that choice?  Let's have the state decide when they are able to go on their own and what their occupation should be.  Why not let the state decide where they should live too for that matter?  After all, the state is paying for it so truly they should be able to make all of the decisions regarding that education from what to teach to how best to teach it to where to teach it to how best utilize that teaching investment after it's completed.
If I am paying my taxes and living within the parameters we set as a society and I am expected to be the responsible guardian of children that I bring into the world, then it is absolutely 100% reasonable for me to have every bit of say in the education that I, not the state, but I through my taxes am paying for.

Its an interesting argument. I'll bring it up next time some parent/kid objects to having to say "under God" or to a Bible group in a public school, or when a school tries to tell a kid he can't wear baggy pants, or that his hair is too long, or that he can't wear an earring, or that they can't take a same sex date to the prom.

Please do.  If it's something that you as a parent feel your rights and obligations have been sidestepped in deference to some wiser power it would be far better for you to bring up my argument than to sit back and go "Oh golly gee, I don't like it but the all powerful committee must know more about raising my child than I do so I'll just sit back and let them do all the thinking for me".

[Tilar]

To sum It up: I CHOSE TO HAVE THESE KIDS, THEIR MINE, AND I'LL BE DAMNED IF SOMEONE IS GOING TO TELL ME HOW TO RAISE THEM! Mrs.skip68

Then send your kids to either a private school or home school.  So long as the state is paying for it, the state has the right to...

Hold on there Buckaroo... The state is funded by the tax payer and they do NOT have the right to tell me how to raise my kid. They have the right to take a child away that is being beat or not being taken care of. The school board is the ones that govern issues like the condoms, not the state. These fools in massivetwoshits should be tarred and feathered.

[squeakfinder]

I give up. My big complaint about this was making condoms available to 6 year olds. Not about teaching sex ed in the sixth grade or junior high. Are 6 year olds going to ask for condoms? Probably not. But why even go there? Why allow a teacher the wright to speak with a child so young about sex when the question comes up about what the 5th graders were talking about in the hallway?

[bull]

Then send your kids to either a private school or home school.  So long as the state is paying for it, the state has the right to insist on what is in the best interest interest of the child and it considers this to be in their best interest (check out "in loco parentis").  Besides, private schools are usually better.  Invest in your kid's future.  Kim

The state is us. Do you think tax revenue grows on trees?

[bull]

I think its ONLY to the parents to decide when their kids should get some sex ed.

Bristol Palin.

Good example, if her parents had taught birth control instead of abstinence she might not be the butt of jokes.

Or, if the Palin-haters were as enlightened and politically correct as they believe they are she wouldn't be the butt of jokes.

Besides, you seem to think "right-wing religious extremists" spend all their waking hours with a moral choke-hold on their children so how was Bristol ever able to make her own decisions regarding sex?

[Mike DC]

             
Giving condoms to 6yo kids is way over the line.  I fully agree with that. 



As for the Palins, I fail to see what other people's political opinions of Sarah have to do with Bristol getting pregnant. 

[Tilar]

I think its ONLY to the parents to decide when their kids should get some sex ed.

Bristol Palin.

Good example, if her parents had taught birth control instead of abstinence she might not be the butt of jokes.

Or, if the Palin-haters were as enlightened and politically correct as they believe they are THEY wouldn't be the butt of jokes.

There, Fixed it for ya.

[elacruze]

To sum It up: I CHOSE TO HAVE THESE KIDS, THEIR MINE, AND I'LL BE DAMNED IF SOMEONE IS GOING TO TELL ME HOW TO RAISE THEM! Mrs.skip68

Then send your kids to either a private school or home school.  So long as the state is paying for it, the state has the right to insist on what is in the best interest interest of the child and it considers this to be in their best interest (check out "in loco parentis").  Besides, private schools are usually better.  Invest in your kid's future.  Kim

Maybe we should let the school system paddle them too, huh? Oh wait, that's ...equal treatment...oh wait...now I'm all confused.

[TK73]

... I will never understand why some people decry government intervention in their lives but then want to restrict the freedom to publish, sell and read whatever they choose.

... I'm not stuck with one dogma as so many like you here are, you accuse me of being a Liberal because I choose to disagree with your right-wing blather...

The only things I take a liberal stand on are personal freedoms and civil liberties and that just happens to be the gist of most of the discussions here that we disagree in.

Mr. Kunkel,
you need to stop making so much sense in a public forum, it's confusing the natives.  

[bull]

Well, the last of the dirty old commie hippies just checked in so can someone hit the lights and lock the doors?

[TK73]

Hey C!! 

That's   " long haired, hippy-type, pinko fag* "   to you...












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