1970 Rear shoulder seat belts for B-Body

[6pkrtse]

How rare is the 1970 Rear shoulder seat belts for a B-Body. I have just seen my first set & thought that must be pretty rare???

[tan top]

rare sight on a charger or any b-body come to that !!  only set i have seen , in real life !!  is on a 69 Satalite   from memory   a couple of others on the net ebay & stuff

[Ghoste]

I can't give you an exact number but as far as rarity, a pretty accurate answer to the "how rare" question is VERY.

[6pkrtse]

I found a set locally, complete. Including everything to install them. What are they worth? he was going to sell them to me. Just want to make it fair on both sides.

[1RareBird]

Maybe I'm off base here but considering they are made from unobtainium and you will probably never find another complete set for sale, I think $1000.00 would be fair.  Heck, maybe even more. I'm sure someone would jump after them for that price though.  What's he asking?

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Related topic about a '68 with rear shoulder belts I took a pic of....
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,31155.0.html

[C5X DAYTONA]

My dad's 69 Charger R/T S.E. had tan leather interior with tan seat belts and BLACK rear shoulder belts..  Car now is in Michigan..

[6pkrtse]

Maybe I'm off base here but considering they are made from unobtainium and you will probably never find another complete set for sale, I think $1000.00 would be fair.  Heck, maybe even more. I'm sure someone would jump after them for that price though.  What's he asking?

He was asking less than a 1/3 of that initially but now he is up near that amount. I know I should of jumped at them when I had the chance. I hesitated due to I didn't have the money at that time. I figured no sense in wasting money i really didn't have to spare on something that will probably never get used.

[Ghoste]

I would have done the same, let someone trying to find a set because his car originally had them pay the big bucks I suppose.

[6pkrtse]

Hard to tell from the pics I have seen of cars that had this option. Are they the same exact style as all of the other belts in the car or are they actually a different style or brand?

[hemi68charger]

Very rare indeed, especially in a '70.. I think they were more numerous in the '71/'72's.......... Too bad he caught wind of the value/rarity it seems.............  Now it's up to you and an expensive "show-off" piece...

[6pkrtse]

I would have done the same, let someone trying to find a set because his car originally had them pay the big bucks I suppose.

That is what got me thinking. Its not coded on my fender tags but my build sheet looks to have it (very faint but it looks like it was coded for it). I can see where they once were. My package tray had the holes in it at one time.

[tan top]

from what i have seen , &  not actually seen them out the car on the floor or in hand !! the lap part is or looks the same as  front & the shoulder rear  looks the same    just with a different ankor point or lack of it !! could prolly make something up to duplicate   ?? , $1000 , thats a lot for belts  to me   i know nothing like the original part but .......

[Ghoste]

I don't think it would be coded on the fender tag but it still sounds like a lot.  Ultra rare but I still think it would depend on the rest of the cars options before I'd hunt a set down.  So much for "fair for both sides" huh?

[1RareBird]

Unfortunately rare parts are the most expensive.  Personally if I had a car coded for the belts I would think $1000.00 would be very fair to get the car back to original.  Look at the cost for a nice set of original fronts, not cheap but still very obtainable!  If the car wasn't coded for it I wouldn't bother putting them in.  I will say that I have never seen one of these in a 1970 before and would think it would draw some attention at shows.  Neat conversation piece that really sets your car apart from the rest.  Good luck with the deal, but I bet if they make it to e-bay $1000.00 may not look to bad looking back. Just my $.02

[Ghoste]

I agree with you.  I meant that for me it would depend on the car.  If I were restoring something rare or loaded up with other options and it was coded for them, I would want them.  But if I were doing up a car for my own tastes and it was a 318 or 383 car and the shoulder belts were the only option, I think I would spend my money on other things.  I'm not even sure I'd spend it if I were doing an RT.  Maybe, maybe not.  Start into the Hemi stuff or a car with every other option under the sun and you are almost obligated.

[6pkrtse]

Yes, my car is loaded with everything under the sun so it would be nice to get these belts. The only option it seems to be missing is the sunroof option. Of course money is always an issue. Still working on him for a fair negotiated price.
My car is a R/T S.E. 440, 727, 8-3/4 3:55 car with charcoal console bucket seat, S.E. package, califi car with emissions still on it, A/C, cruise, power steering, power windows, Am/8-track radio, 6 way seat, power disc brakes, light package, bright package, rear defrost, door edge guards, lip mouldings, rocker mouldings, frt bumper guards, hood pins, blackout hood treatment, 440 on hood (took them off), luggage rack, R/T door scoops, blk vinyl top, dual mirrors, Originall B3 blue with dark blue long stripe with full wheel covers, now is red with blk butt stripe & 15" Rallye's. Also has a power antenea & power trunk that both have Chysler written on them & Chrysler part #'s that I beleive was not supposed to be on a Charger but they were on the car 20 years ago when I bought it.

[tan top]

Yes, my car is loaded with everything under the sun so it would be nice to get these belts. The only option it seems to be missing is the sunroof option. Of course money is always an issue. Still working on him for a fair negotiated price.
My car is a R/T S.E. 440, 727, 8-3/4 3:55 car with charcoal console bucket seat, S.E. package, califi car with emissions still on it, A/C, cruise, power steering, power windows, Am/8-track radio, 6 way seat, power disc brakes, light package, bright package, rear defrost, door edge guards, lip mouldings, rocker mouldings, frt bumper guards, hood pins, blackout hood treatment, 440 on hood (took them off), luggage rack, R/T door scoops, blk vinyl top, dual mirrors, Originall B3 blue with dark blue long stripe with full wheel covers, now is red with blk butt stripe & 15" Rallye's. Also has a power antenea & power trunk that both have Chysler written on them & Chrysler part #'s that I beleive was not supposed to be on a Charger but they were on the car 20 years ago when I bought it.

thats some 70 you have there Dude    would love to see pictures sometime 

[69RTSE]

I am interested to see how they mounted the power (vacumn) trunk.  Where is the switch mounted and where is the vacumn source.  Is it directly from the engine or taken from a seperate vacumn tank.

Thanks.

[6pkrtse]

It is not vacuum. It is electric. The power button is to the botton right of the steering column near the rear fader switch.

[6pkrtse]

Do the belts still use the same as all of the other belts in the car? I finally saw pictures of the belts he had & the buckles "do not" match the rest of the Chrysler belts. Was this how Chrysler did them? Most people say yes, they are the same but I have seen 2 different sets of pictures now & they appear to be different buckles.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Do the belts still use the same as all of the other belts in the car? I finally saw pictures of the belts he had & the buckles "do not" match the rest of the Chrysler belts. Was this how Chrysler did them? Most people say yes, they are the same but I have seen 2 different sets of pictures now & they appear to be different buckles.

Looking at the '68 setup I pictured in the above link, it looks like the same buckle as the others just in a black belt (where the others are tan)

[6pkrtse]

Do the belts still use the same as all of the other belts in the car? I finally saw pictures of the belts he had & the buckles "do not" match the rest of the Chrysler belts. Was this how Chrysler did them? Most people say yes, they are the same but I have seen 2 different sets of pictures now & they appear to be different buckles.

Looking at the '68 setup I pictured in the above link, it looks like the same buckle as the others just in a black belt (where the others are tan)

No, The others I have seen are still black in color just a whole totally different design or style buckle. If that is the case, I may just make my own as some others seem to be doing on the cheap.

[Neal_J]

Were it I, before I spent a grand on these originals, I'd make some myself from some used belts.   Can't be that difficult, even if you have to add a mounting point in the trunk.

[1RareBird]

Loks like they made it to e-bay.  Maybe a good sign for you.  Bid what you feel they are worth to you and you might just get them.   

I really like your charger and it must be one of the most loaded cars out there.  Weather you ever sell it or not, I would have to think the value of your car would increase enough to cover the cost of those.  How cool would it be if you could say not only is it loaded but it has every option listed for it.  Also, if you eve rdo decide to sell, collectors are always more interested in cars with odd ball options but usually only if they come with the car.  I would think it would be almost impossible to find these later if you decide to bite the bullet.

Good luck either way, again thats a great car you have.

Here's the link to e-bay if you want to check them out.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250730564866

[tan top]

Loks like they made it to e-bay.  Maybe a good sign for you.  Bid what you feel they are worth to you and you might just get them.  

I really like your charger and it must be one of the most loaded cars out there.  Weather you ever sell it or not, I would have to think the value of your car would increase enough to cover the cost of those.  How cool would it be if you could say not only is it loaded but it has every option listed for it.  Also, if you eve rdo decide to sell, collectors are always more interested in cars with odd ball options but usually only if they come with the car.  I would think it would be almost impossible to find these later if you decide to bite the bullet.

Good luck either way, again thats a great car you have.

Here's the link to e-bay if you want to check them out.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250730564866

heres the picture so we can see what were discussing  


reguardless what the ad says , not trying to start anything , but , don't think  those are 70 charger ,  well not  original 70 belts full stop , more liking 71 

[6pkrtse]

Thanks for the link rarebird. Different buckles for sure.
That is exactly what I have been thinking. May have come out of a Chrysler product 25+ years ago but may not be original belts. I didn't want to spend ridiculous money on something that wasn't even going to be 1970 correct if I can just make my own.

[Ghoste]

The date labels appear to be intact on a couple of them.  There should be some clues there.

[tan top]

The date labels appear to be intact on a couple of them.  There should be some clues there.

yeah the dates  , but that was when they were made  ,  deffo not 70 or 69 or even 68

would walk away  if it were me  ,     better off making some !!  true not the original part , but least they will look as they should !  

[Ghoste]

Actually I was being a little bit facetious there.  It's a date code and a part number.  Obviously they aren't the correct style buckles on there but you would be able to find out the application if the seller answered any questions about the info on the labels.

[tan top]

Actually I was being a little bit facetious there.  It's a date code and a part number.  Obviously they aren't the correct style buckles on there but you would be able to find out the application if the seller answered any questions about the info on the labels.

good point , part number  , never thought DoH   looks like i got another bus to catch

[Ghoste]

Just to rub salt, you're one of the people I thought would have caught that waaaay before I ever thought of it.

[tan top]

Just to rub salt, you're one of the people I thought would have caught that waaaay before I ever thought of it.

    thanks Ghoste for the vote of confidence  ,       but my head  was completely empty on that train of thought  

[472 R/T SE]

The ebay auction looks nothing like these '69's.  

I'm restoring a 1969 Charger R/T with this option. There are 16 belts in all (10 in the rear and 6 in the front). The rear shoulder belts were improved in 1969 because the shoulder belt snapped on to itself and would drape down over the back seat. This kept the "barbell" in place and kept it from sliding out of it's pocket.

Perhaps the shoulder belt set up are black to keep from mixing up with the others'.  But what about when the interior is black/charcoal like above?

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Just got this back from the seller of the belts when I asked the part #'s on the tags.....

"4738"
"3454603"
"1969-2"

All 4 belts have the same tag on them.


I have been told the following: In 1969 & 70, there was a single part number kit number for the set. In 1971, the parts were broken down by individual numbers.
Also, in 71, the new B body restyle dictated a different part number belt. (Longer because of the higher rear deck) The numbers on this belt were still used on other models.
These appear to be the optional, upgraded "Deluxe" belt, available for 1970. So, in addition to being rare in itself, these are a a step up from that.
A "C14" coded car would most likely have all "Deluxe" belts. If you have a C14 coded car and regular belts, they may have been switched to 'base'
in the last 40 years, thinking that was correct. With a 2nd quarter of 1969 manufactured date, these were probably on an early ordered executive lease, or pilot car, built in July of 1969.

[1RareBird]

Just got this back from the seller of the belts when I asked the part #'s on the tags.....

"4738"
"3454603"
"1969-2"

All 4 belts have the same tag on them.


I have been told the following: In 1969 & 70, there was a single part number kit number for the set. In 1971, the parts were broken down by individual numbers.
Also, in 71, the new B body restyle dictated a different part number belt. (Longer because of the higher rear deck) The numbers on this belt were still used on other models.
These appear to be the optional, upgraded "Deluxe" belt, available for 1970. So, in addition to being rare in itself, these are a a step up from that.
A "C14" coded car would most likely have all "Deluxe" belts. If you have a C14 coded car and regular belts, they may have been switched to 'base'
in the last 40 years, thinking that was correct. With a 2nd quarter of 1969 manufactured date, these were probably on an early ordered executive lease, or pilot car, built in July of 1969.

When I saw those I was thinking they were the deluxe belts too.  They look legit to me.

[tan top]

forgot i had this picture saved !!  , cant think why i did not lable it  , but must of been from a  second generation charger or 68-70 b-body , other wise would not have saved it  !!  was in my ebay folder  

[Ghoste]

Hmm, no GM style buckle releases.

[6pkrtse]

Damn, just when I think I have it figured out, tan top has to put a picture like that up there. If the belts I saw had matching to my 70 belts I probably would have bought them already.

[tan top]

Damn, just when I think I have it figured out, ghost has to put a picture like that up there. If the belts I saw had matching to my 70 belts I probably would have bought them already.

   .................      

[1RareBird]

Damn, just when I think I have it figured out, tan top has to put a picture like that up there. If the belts I saw had matching to my 70 belts I probably would have bought them already.

Since the regular buckles are plentiful, it would be a no brainer to replace the 1970 only 'deluxe' style buckles. The unique attachment hardware and grommets through the rear shelve would be correct.  Only you would know....      Also, you could sell the rare 'deluxe' buckles on ebay and get $$$ back.

[6pkrtse]

Thought about that too but for what he wants for them now. I may just make my own. It would be another good winter project gathering all of the parts to make. Crazy what this stuff cost these days. Kills me what my missing/broken 6 way driver seat track is going for too.

[ACUDANUT]

 Is  One Rare Bird.... the seller ?

[6pkrtse]

I don't know?

[1RareBird]

Nope not the seller, just trying to help the guy make some sence out of the deal.  He's got an awesome car missing one thing that would complete it and he will probably never find another set.  I totally understand the worry about getting the right stuff but it has been shown they are correct, just the deluxe buckels.  I'm not sure what your original offer was on these, but they are only bid to around $250.00 right now which seems very reasonable. It is a no reserve auction too.  I was thinking of bidding on them too, but considering they are not original to my car I don't see bidding much more then they are now.  I can't believe they aren't worth more but they guy is letting the market decide right now.

I wish you luck with these.

[1RareBird]

I'm curious as to how much they go for in the end.  Which is apparently at 9:30 tonight.  I really need to think about these, they are pretty cool.

[b5blue]

495.00

[6pkrtse]

Oh well. Maybe next time. Someone will probably jump on re-popping them eventually. Or I'll make them for alot cheaper than that.

[Ghoste]

I doubt you'll see them repopped.  Just too rare to make it viable IMO but you might turn up a set cheaper somewhere else.  (but you might not either  )

[6pkrtse]

Seeing what they just went for. Knowing that they are rare. Safety laws may require these in our cars eventually. Somebody will hopefully look into anyway. Seeing that a couple of guys had made their own that look very similar. I don't think it will be to bad to duplicate. Just have to round up some extra belts & gather the other parts to try to make it look as factory as possible.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

I found some more pics I had of a '69 Charger that is optioned with the rear belts!!!

This is how they were stored in '69.....

Not sure if that "dog bone" retaining bracket is under all the package trays?   Havent looked in a while

[6pkrtse]

Awesome pictures. Thanks 6T9.