Is the Taliban running San Francisco now?

[bull]

First they ban Happy Meal toys and now they're trying to ban circumcision? What's next? Are they going to dictate your wardrobe and how you can wipe your butt?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/12/health/main7048210.shtml

[Dans 68]

That town does like to tell its Citizenry how to live. Kind of contrary to what the world believes is a wonderful "live and let live" enclave. Circling the bowl, that City....

Dan

[RD]

i am sorry... if this is the most important thing that this guy can attach himself to, then he has entirely too much time on his hands.  all i can say is.... wow!

[A383Wing]

look at who's driving most of the big rigs around the US...at least over here...then ask yerself what's really being carried in the back of the 18 wheelers...

when we lived in our other house years ago...we had a "family" move in next door....they immediately built a 6' fence around their entire property....ton's of local taxi cabs all the time over there...I even saw guns being taken into house....I'll stop here for now

I say ship 'em all back...one way

[bull]

Uh, I meant "Taliban" in a figurative sense.

[Ponch ®]

First they ban Happy Meal toys and now they're trying to ban circumcision? What's next? Are they going to dictate your wardrobe and how you can wipe your butt?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/12/health/main7048210.shtml

next thing you know, they might start trying to decide whose books and what subjects a bookstore can sell...

[hemi68charger]

First they ban Happy Meal toys and now they're trying to ban circumcision? What's next? Are they going to dictate your wardrobe and how you can wipe your butt?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/12/health/main7048210.shtml

The Happy meal thing only shows that the parents of children in San Fran who belly-ache about the meal don't have the fortitude to say "NO" once and a while to their kids........... No body, I mean no body, has a gun to their head forcing them to buy the dang thing......... Unbelievable......

[chargerboy69]

First they ban Happy Meal toys and now they're trying to ban circumcision? What's next? Are they going to dictate your wardrobe and how you can wipe your butt?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/12/health/main7048210.shtml

They maybe running another California city too,  say, like. . oh. . . .  Sacramento.  Where the school system would make a 13 year old boy take an American flag off his bike so he would not offend anyone. 


http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-americanflagbike11122010,0,3045879.htmlstory

[Dans 68]

They maybe running another California city too,  say, like. . oh. . . .  Sacramento.  Where the school system would make a 13 year old boy take an American flag off his bike so he would not offend anyone.  

That episode was to "protect" the 13 year old boy (according to a school spokeman  ). There were bad racial feelings from certain students about the 13-year old being allowed to fly the American flag, while, apparently on Cinco de Mayo....   Well, you fill in the rest.  

Only in California...for now.

Dan

[last426]

I am a staunch anti-circ guy and have been for 40 years.  Parents should not be allowed to cut off their child's penis since there is no viable reason to do so -- let the kid decide when he is an adult.  Same with ear piercing and tattoos -- parents, if you love your kids, don't do it.  And if and when they do it, keep loving them as that too shall pass.  Kim

[Dans 68]

Lots of reasons to do it, and lots not to. Until the State takes full control of the children it is their parents choice, including piercings, orthodontia, and happy meals.

...Parents should not be allowed to cut off their child's penis....

And it is a "clip the tip" procedure (to be equally flippant), and not how you phrased it. Who wouldn't be against cutting off 'ole woodie....

Dan

[RD]

I am a staunch anti-circ guy and have been for 40 years.  Parents should not be allowed to cut off their child's penis since there is no viable reason to do so -- let the kid decide when he is an adult.  Same with ear piercing and tattoos -- parents, if you love your kids, don't do it.  And if and when they do it, keep loving them as that too shall pass.  Kim

so, if they do it for religious reasons are you against that too?  i tell you... i bet most men who have been circumcised dont give a rats hiney about the decision their parents made back when they had it done.  i dont know why you all care now?

[RD]

First they ban Happy Meal toys and now they're trying to ban circumcision? What's next? Are they going to dictate your wardrobe and how you can wipe your butt?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/12/health/main7048210.shtml

next thing you know, they might start trying to decide whose books and what subjects a bookstore can sell...

no, they wouldnt.. that would be a violation of what they may call basic liberties and what everyone else would just call blatant common sense.  man.. if you all had your way.. all the sickos would be publishing every single bit of distasteful rhetoric that will slowly root itself even quicker into the demoralization of the U.S.  You all are so stuck in the here and now that you don't realize that ramifications of such twisted and off-kilter literary works in the long run.  You all just see it as censorship.  Where most others see that Amazon.com did the responsible thing.

[last426]

I am a staunch anti-circ guy and have been for 40 years.  Parents should not be allowed to cut off their child's penis since there is no viable reason to do so -- let the kid decide when he is an adult.  Same with ear piercing and tattoos -- parents, if you love your kids, don't do it.  And if and when they do it, keep loving them as that too shall pass.  Kim

so, if they do it for religious reasons are you against that too?  i tell you... i bet most men who have been circumcised dont give a rats hiney about the decision their parents made back when they had it done.  i dont know why you all care now?

I am against it as I am against any misguided religiosity concerning children's health -- you see I am a science advocate, believing in western medicine, its vaccinations, its blood transfusions, and most all proven modern approaches.  Having spoken with both uncirced and circed men and their spouses and weighing the pros and cons, I definitely recognize the horror that the child goes through and the lasting, haunting memories.  Not to mention the decrease in sexuality of cut men.  But note that I am only against it because it is not medically necessary and is left to the whim of the populace to decide for the child.  If a person of age wants to do it, go for it.  But parents should not be allowed to disfigure their kids without a medical necessity.  Kim

[RD]

I am a staunch anti-circ guy and have been for 40 years.  Parents should not be allowed to cut off their child's penis since there is no viable reason to do so -- let the kid decide when he is an adult.  Same with ear piercing and tattoos -- parents, if you love your kids, don't do it.  And if and when they do it, keep loving them as that too shall pass.  Kim

so, if they do it for religious reasons are you against that too?  i tell you... i bet most men who have been circumcised dont give a rats hiney about the decision their parents made back when they had it done.  i dont know why you all care now?

I am against it as I am against any misguided religiosity concerning children's health -- you see I am a science advocate, believing in western medicine, its vaccinations, its blood transfusions, and most all proven modern approaches.  Having spoken with both uncirced and circed men and their spouses and weighing the pros and cons, I definitely recognize the horror that the child goes through and the lasting, haunting memories.  Not to mention the decrease in sexuality of cut men.  But note that I am only against it because it is not medically necessary and is left to the whim of the populace to decide for the child.  If a person of age wants to do it, go for it.  But parents should not be allowed to disfigure their kids without a medical necessity.  Kim

um i am circumcised.  i do not have any haunting memories, i do not have a decrease in sexuality. and your concept of misguided religiosity is an opinion not a fact.  so.. you have no real facts, but opinions.  you are not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist, so your results are not valid nor reliable because you cannot prove that their decrease in sexuality may be due to some other psychological factors or hindrances.

so pretty much.. you have nothing other than your own personal belief to try and state that circumcision is wrong and that because you believe it to be so, you have the right to tell parents what they can or cannot do with their children.  

~edit~

so you do not believe in censoring the freedom of speech in regards to a pro-pedosexual.. but its perfectly okay to censor a parents right to have their child circumcised.  i get it.. censorship is in the eye of the beholder i guess.

[bull]

But note that I am only against it because it is not medically necessary and is left to the whim of the populace to decide for the child.  If a person of age wants to do it, go for it.  But parents should not be allowed to disfigure their kids without a medical necessity.  Kim

Sounds to me like you're making an argument against abortion here. Most likely, though, you're ok with disfiguring the whole kid if it's an inconvenience to someone.

My apologies for the tangent. Carry on...

[bull]

First they ban Happy Meal toys and now they're trying to ban circumcision? What's next? Are they going to dictate your wardrobe and how you can wipe your butt?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/12/health/main7048210.shtml

next thing you know, they might start trying to decide whose books and what subjects a bookstore can sell...

You've given me an idea. I'm thinking about self-publishing a book called "How to Clobber Wise-Cracking Mexican-Americans Without Getting Into Trouble" and selling it on Amazon. What do you think? Does it go too far?

[chargergirl]

15 years ago the powers that be started the non-smoking campaign. Getting more and more brazen in it's attack on how disgusting a person was that smoked. Making it possible for others to attack one verbally if they smoked downwind and away from the group. Although I agree there are rude smokers...most I know are not. It was my statement that once they were happy with the status quo on smokers they would go after those who are overweight. Well here it is...NOW it's unthinkable. NOW it's upsetting. NOW they are going to tell you how to raise your kids. Well at least how to feed them. Let's beat up the poor employees of McD's because they didn't offer you the multiple options on YOUR child's Happy Meal. When I go to get fast food...I WANT THE FRIES!!!!! I don't go that often and when the kids were home...my trip with them was about getting a burger and FRIES!!!! Once every four months is not excessive and I don't feel that I should have to answer to the state/county government that I want FRIES! What's next...well they are now telling the prepared food industry that they have to cut all salt. Just remember this...we are now dealing with many of the children, now adults, who were told throughout school that it wasn't their fault that they couldn't cope...it was their raising, too many hardships, and then fed the "self esteem" with out any thought about what they were creating. A bunch of "it's not my fault, I am entitled, you don't count cause I'm special" morons who have no functional skills. Hence we must make your decisions for you because you are a moron and will not take responsibility for your own actions. Ok...off the soap box now.

[Ponch ®]

First they ban Happy Meal toys and now they're trying to ban circumcision? What's next? Are they going to dictate your wardrobe and how you can wipe your butt?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/12/health/main7048210.shtml

next thing you know, they might start trying to decide whose books and what subjects a bookstore can sell...

You've given me an idea. I'm thinking about self-publishing a book called "How to Clobber Wise-Cracking Mexican-Americans Without Getting Into Trouble" and selling it on Amazon. What do you think? Does it go too far?

I dunno if it goes too far or not, but I sure as hell aint gonna tell you you cant publish it.

[RECHRGD]

15 years ago the powers that be started the non-smoking campaign. Getting more and more brazen in it's attack on how disgusting a person was that smoked. Making it possible for others to attack one verbally if they smoked downwind and away from the group. Although I agree there are rude smokers...most I know are not. It was my statement that once they were happy with the status quo on smokers they would go after those who are overweight. Well here it is...NOW it's unthinkable. NOW it's upsetting. NOW they are going to tell you how to raise your kids. Well at least how to feed them. Let's beat up the poor employees of McD's because they didn't offer you the multiple options on YOUR child's Happy Meal. When I go to get fast food...I WANT THE FRIES!!!!! I don't go that often and when the kids were home...my trip with them was about getting a burger and FRIES!!!! Once every four months is not excessive and I don't feel that I should have to answer to the state/county government that I want FRIES! What's next...well they are now telling the prepared food industry that they have to cut all salt. Just remember this...we are now dealing with many of the children, now adults, who were told throughout school that it wasn't their fault that they couldn't cope...it was their raising, too many hardships, and then fed the "self esteem" with out any thought about what they were creating. A bunch of "it's not my fault, I am entitled, you don't count cause I'm special" morons who have no functional skills. Hence we must make your decisions for you because you are a moron and will not take responsibility for your own actions. Ok...off the soap box now.

Chargergirl--------Marry me!

[TruckDriver]

15 years ago the powers that be started the non-smoking campaign. Getting more and more brazen in it's attack on how disgusting a person was that smoked. Making it possible for others to attack one verbally if they smoked downwind and away from the group. Although I agree there are rude smokers...most I know are not. It was my statement that once they were happy with the status quo on smokers they would go after those who are overweight. Well here it is...NOW it's unthinkable. NOW it's upsetting. NOW they are going to tell you how to raise your kids. Well at least how to feed them. Let's beat up the poor employees of McD's because they didn't offer you the multiple options on YOUR child's Happy Meal. When I go to get fast food...I WANT THE FRIES!!!!! I don't go that often and when the kids were home...my trip with them was about getting a burger and FRIES!!!! Once every four months is not excessive and I don't feel that I should have to answer to the state/county government that I want FRIES! What's next...well they are now telling the prepared food industry that they have to cut all salt. Just remember this...we are now dealing with many of the children, now adults, who were told throughout school that it wasn't their fault that they couldn't cope...it was their raising, too many hardships, and then fed the "self esteem" with out any thought about what they were creating. A bunch of "it's not my fault, I am entitled, you don't count cause I'm special" morons who have no functional skills. Hence we must make your decisions for you because you are a moron and will not take responsibility for your own actions. Ok...off the soap box now.

Amen!!!!!! 

[66FBCharger]

15 years ago the powers that be started the non-smoking campaign. Getting more and more brazen in it's attack on how disgusting a person was that smoked. Making it possible for others to attack one verbally if they smoked downwind and away from the group. Although I agree there are rude smokers...most I know are not. It was my statement that once they were happy with the status quo on smokers they would go after those who are overweight. Well here it is...NOW it's unthinkable. NOW it's upsetting. NOW they are going to tell you how to raise your kids. Well at least how to feed them. Let's beat up the poor employees of McD's because they didn't offer you the multiple options on YOUR child's Happy Meal. When I go to get fast food...I WANT THE FRIES!!!!! I don't go that often and when the kids were home...my trip with them was about getting a burger and FRIES!!!! Once every four months is not excessive and I don't feel that I should have to answer to the state/county government that I want FRIES! What's next...well they are now telling the prepared food industry that they have to cut all salt. Just remember this...we are now dealing with many of the children, now adults, who were told throughout school that it wasn't their fault that they couldn't cope...it was their raising, too many hardships, and then fed the "self esteem" with out any thought about what they were creating. A bunch of "it's not my fault, I am entitled, you don't count cause I'm special" morons who have no functional skills. Hence we must make your decisions for you because you are a moron and will not take responsibility for your own actions. Ok...off the soap box now.

I agree 100% 

[bull]

First they ban Happy Meal toys and now they're trying to ban circumcision? What's next? Are they going to dictate your wardrobe and how you can wipe your butt?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/12/health/main7048210.shtml

next thing you know, they might start trying to decide whose books and what subjects a bookstore can sell...

You've given me an idea. I'm thinking about self-publishing a book called "How to Clobber Wise-Cracking Mexican-Americans Without Getting Into Trouble" and selling it on Amazon. What do you think? Does it go too far?

I dunno if it goes too far or not, but I sure as hell aint gonna tell you you cant publish it.

I believe you'd rethink the notion of a book promoting illegal violence if it hit closer to home and could directly effect your wife or kids (if you had any). If/when you have kids, get back on here and tell me how much you're willing to protect the rights of pedophiles.

[Khyron]

so far I agree will Bull, Chargergirl, and RD, besiclly take thier posts and add my name to it, they covered by thought 100% ..... and the only thing that effects my sex is the fact that im married, not because Im cut.... BTW: my son has no nightmares or trama about him getting the surgery....so "last426" to sum it up, you do what you want with your kid, don't tell me what to do with mine.

[Khyron]

BTW: I'm also into Science... however.

its vaccinations,

agreed, but what about the flu one that gets many people sick?

its blood transfusions,

and all the people that get Hep c and HIV and a bunch of other recorded issues with this idea.

and most all proven modern approaches.  

not all things "Proven" now will be "proven" later.... people whole heartily believed the world was flat at one time.

Having spoken with both uncirced and circed men and their spouses and weighing the pros and cons, I definitely recognize the horror that the child goes through and the lasting, haunting memories.  

you didn't talk to me, nor it seems, a lot of men on this site.

Not to mention the decrease in sexuality of cut men.  

proof?

But note that I am only against it because it is not medically necessary and is left to the whim of the populace to decide for the child.

but as stated, who are you to decide?

But parents should not be allowed to disfigure their kids without a medical necessity.  Kim

and again, who is the government to tell me what I can do with my kid? If it's legal of course.... The second you give them the power to dictate <no pun intended> for this... we lost it all, welcome to America, I'm fairly sure I served in my nations military to preserve my freedoms.