Is the Taliban running San Francisco now?

[bull]

First they ban Happy Meal toys and now they're trying to ban circumcision? What's next? Are they going to dictate your wardrobe and how you can wipe your butt?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/12/health/main7048210.shtml

[Dans 68]

That town does like to tell its Citizenry how to live. Kind of contrary to what the world believes is a wonderful "live and let live" enclave. Circling the bowl, that City....

Dan

[RD]

i am sorry... if this is the most important thing that this guy can attach himself to, then he has entirely too much time on his hands.  all i can say is.... wow!

[A383Wing]

look at who's driving most of the big rigs around the US...at least over here...then ask yerself what's really being carried in the back of the 18 wheelers...

when we lived in our other house years ago...we had a "family" move in next door....they immediately built a 6' fence around their entire property....ton's of local taxi cabs all the time over there...I even saw guns being taken into house....I'll stop here for now

I say ship 'em all back...one way

[bull]

Uh, I meant "Taliban" in a figurative sense.

[Ponch ®]

First they ban Happy Meal toys and now they're trying to ban circumcision? What's next? Are they going to dictate your wardrobe and how you can wipe your butt?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/12/health/main7048210.shtml

next thing you know, they might start trying to decide whose books and what subjects a bookstore can sell...

[hemi68charger]

First they ban Happy Meal toys and now they're trying to ban circumcision? What's next? Are they going to dictate your wardrobe and how you can wipe your butt?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/12/health/main7048210.shtml

The Happy meal thing only shows that the parents of children in San Fran who belly-ache about the meal don't have the fortitude to say "NO" once and a while to their kids........... No body, I mean no body, has a gun to their head forcing them to buy the dang thing......... Unbelievable......

[chargerboy69]

First they ban Happy Meal toys and now they're trying to ban circumcision? What's next? Are they going to dictate your wardrobe and how you can wipe your butt?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/12/health/main7048210.shtml

They maybe running another California city too,  say, like. . oh. . . .  Sacramento.  Where the school system would make a 13 year old boy take an American flag off his bike so he would not offend anyone. 


http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-americanflagbike11122010,0,3045879.htmlstory

[Dans 68]

They maybe running another California city too,  say, like. . oh. . . .  Sacramento.  Where the school system would make a 13 year old boy take an American flag off his bike so he would not offend anyone.  

That episode was to "protect" the 13 year old boy (according to a school spokeman  ). There were bad racial feelings from certain students about the 13-year old being allowed to fly the American flag, while, apparently on Cinco de Mayo....   Well, you fill in the rest.  

Only in California...for now.

Dan

[last426]

I am a staunch anti-circ guy and have been for 40 years.  Parents should not be allowed to cut off their child's penis since there is no viable reason to do so -- let the kid decide when he is an adult.  Same with ear piercing and tattoos -- parents, if you love your kids, don't do it.  And if and when they do it, keep loving them as that too shall pass.  Kim

[Dans 68]

Lots of reasons to do it, and lots not to. Until the State takes full control of the children it is their parents choice, including piercings, orthodontia, and happy meals.

...Parents should not be allowed to cut off their child's penis....

And it is a "clip the tip" procedure (to be equally flippant), and not how you phrased it. Who wouldn't be against cutting off 'ole woodie....

Dan

[RD]

I am a staunch anti-circ guy and have been for 40 years.  Parents should not be allowed to cut off their child's penis since there is no viable reason to do so -- let the kid decide when he is an adult.  Same with ear piercing and tattoos -- parents, if you love your kids, don't do it.  And if and when they do it, keep loving them as that too shall pass.  Kim

so, if they do it for religious reasons are you against that too?  i tell you... i bet most men who have been circumcised dont give a rats hiney about the decision their parents made back when they had it done.  i dont know why you all care now?

[RD]

First they ban Happy Meal toys and now they're trying to ban circumcision? What's next? Are they going to dictate your wardrobe and how you can wipe your butt?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/12/health/main7048210.shtml

next thing you know, they might start trying to decide whose books and what subjects a bookstore can sell...

no, they wouldnt.. that would be a violation of what they may call basic liberties and what everyone else would just call blatant common sense.  man.. if you all had your way.. all the sickos would be publishing every single bit of distasteful rhetoric that will slowly root itself even quicker into the demoralization of the U.S.  You all are so stuck in the here and now that you don't realize that ramifications of such twisted and off-kilter literary works in the long run.  You all just see it as censorship.  Where most others see that Amazon.com did the responsible thing.

[last426]

I am a staunch anti-circ guy and have been for 40 years.  Parents should not be allowed to cut off their child's penis since there is no viable reason to do so -- let the kid decide when he is an adult.  Same with ear piercing and tattoos -- parents, if you love your kids, don't do it.  And if and when they do it, keep loving them as that too shall pass.  Kim

so, if they do it for religious reasons are you against that too?  i tell you... i bet most men who have been circumcised dont give a rats hiney about the decision their parents made back when they had it done.  i dont know why you all care now?

I am against it as I am against any misguided religiosity concerning children's health -- you see I am a science advocate, believing in western medicine, its vaccinations, its blood transfusions, and most all proven modern approaches.  Having spoken with both uncirced and circed men and their spouses and weighing the pros and cons, I definitely recognize the horror that the child goes through and the lasting, haunting memories.  Not to mention the decrease in sexuality of cut men.  But note that I am only against it because it is not medically necessary and is left to the whim of the populace to decide for the child.  If a person of age wants to do it, go for it.  But parents should not be allowed to disfigure their kids without a medical necessity.  Kim

[RD]

I am a staunch anti-circ guy and have been for 40 years.  Parents should not be allowed to cut off their child's penis since there is no viable reason to do so -- let the kid decide when he is an adult.  Same with ear piercing and tattoos -- parents, if you love your kids, don't do it.  And if and when they do it, keep loving them as that too shall pass.  Kim

so, if they do it for religious reasons are you against that too?  i tell you... i bet most men who have been circumcised dont give a rats hiney about the decision their parents made back when they had it done.  i dont know why you all care now?

I am against it as I am against any misguided religiosity concerning children's health -- you see I am a science advocate, believing in western medicine, its vaccinations, its blood transfusions, and most all proven modern approaches.  Having spoken with both uncirced and circed men and their spouses and weighing the pros and cons, I definitely recognize the horror that the child goes through and the lasting, haunting memories.  Not to mention the decrease in sexuality of cut men.  But note that I am only against it because it is not medically necessary and is left to the whim of the populace to decide for the child.  If a person of age wants to do it, go for it.  But parents should not be allowed to disfigure their kids without a medical necessity.  Kim

um i am circumcised.  i do not have any haunting memories, i do not have a decrease in sexuality. and your concept of misguided religiosity is an opinion not a fact.  so.. you have no real facts, but opinions.  you are not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist, so your results are not valid nor reliable because you cannot prove that their decrease in sexuality may be due to some other psychological factors or hindrances.

so pretty much.. you have nothing other than your own personal belief to try and state that circumcision is wrong and that because you believe it to be so, you have the right to tell parents what they can or cannot do with their children.  

~edit~

so you do not believe in censoring the freedom of speech in regards to a pro-pedosexual.. but its perfectly okay to censor a parents right to have their child circumcised.  i get it.. censorship is in the eye of the beholder i guess.

[bull]

But note that I am only against it because it is not medically necessary and is left to the whim of the populace to decide for the child.  If a person of age wants to do it, go for it.  But parents should not be allowed to disfigure their kids without a medical necessity.  Kim

Sounds to me like you're making an argument against abortion here. Most likely, though, you're ok with disfiguring the whole kid if it's an inconvenience to someone.

My apologies for the tangent. Carry on...

[bull]

First they ban Happy Meal toys and now they're trying to ban circumcision? What's next? Are they going to dictate your wardrobe and how you can wipe your butt?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/12/health/main7048210.shtml

next thing you know, they might start trying to decide whose books and what subjects a bookstore can sell...

You've given me an idea. I'm thinking about self-publishing a book called "How to Clobber Wise-Cracking Mexican-Americans Without Getting Into Trouble" and selling it on Amazon. What do you think? Does it go too far?

[chargergirl]

15 years ago the powers that be started the non-smoking campaign. Getting more and more brazen in it's attack on how disgusting a person was that smoked. Making it possible for others to attack one verbally if they smoked downwind and away from the group. Although I agree there are rude smokers...most I know are not. It was my statement that once they were happy with the status quo on smokers they would go after those who are overweight. Well here it is...NOW it's unthinkable. NOW it's upsetting. NOW they are going to tell you how to raise your kids. Well at least how to feed them. Let's beat up the poor employees of McD's because they didn't offer you the multiple options on YOUR child's Happy Meal. When I go to get fast food...I WANT THE FRIES!!!!! I don't go that often and when the kids were home...my trip with them was about getting a burger and FRIES!!!! Once every four months is not excessive and I don't feel that I should have to answer to the state/county government that I want FRIES! What's next...well they are now telling the prepared food industry that they have to cut all salt. Just remember this...we are now dealing with many of the children, now adults, who were told throughout school that it wasn't their fault that they couldn't cope...it was their raising, too many hardships, and then fed the "self esteem" with out any thought about what they were creating. A bunch of "it's not my fault, I am entitled, you don't count cause I'm special" morons who have no functional skills. Hence we must make your decisions for you because you are a moron and will not take responsibility for your own actions. Ok...off the soap box now.

[Ponch ®]

First they ban Happy Meal toys and now they're trying to ban circumcision? What's next? Are they going to dictate your wardrobe and how you can wipe your butt?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/12/health/main7048210.shtml

next thing you know, they might start trying to decide whose books and what subjects a bookstore can sell...

You've given me an idea. I'm thinking about self-publishing a book called "How to Clobber Wise-Cracking Mexican-Americans Without Getting Into Trouble" and selling it on Amazon. What do you think? Does it go too far?

I dunno if it goes too far or not, but I sure as hell aint gonna tell you you cant publish it.

[RECHRGD]

15 years ago the powers that be started the non-smoking campaign. Getting more and more brazen in it's attack on how disgusting a person was that smoked. Making it possible for others to attack one verbally if they smoked downwind and away from the group. Although I agree there are rude smokers...most I know are not. It was my statement that once they were happy with the status quo on smokers they would go after those who are overweight. Well here it is...NOW it's unthinkable. NOW it's upsetting. NOW they are going to tell you how to raise your kids. Well at least how to feed them. Let's beat up the poor employees of McD's because they didn't offer you the multiple options on YOUR child's Happy Meal. When I go to get fast food...I WANT THE FRIES!!!!! I don't go that often and when the kids were home...my trip with them was about getting a burger and FRIES!!!! Once every four months is not excessive and I don't feel that I should have to answer to the state/county government that I want FRIES! What's next...well they are now telling the prepared food industry that they have to cut all salt. Just remember this...we are now dealing with many of the children, now adults, who were told throughout school that it wasn't their fault that they couldn't cope...it was their raising, too many hardships, and then fed the "self esteem" with out any thought about what they were creating. A bunch of "it's not my fault, I am entitled, you don't count cause I'm special" morons who have no functional skills. Hence we must make your decisions for you because you are a moron and will not take responsibility for your own actions. Ok...off the soap box now.

Chargergirl--------Marry me!

[TruckDriver]

15 years ago the powers that be started the non-smoking campaign. Getting more and more brazen in it's attack on how disgusting a person was that smoked. Making it possible for others to attack one verbally if they smoked downwind and away from the group. Although I agree there are rude smokers...most I know are not. It was my statement that once they were happy with the status quo on smokers they would go after those who are overweight. Well here it is...NOW it's unthinkable. NOW it's upsetting. NOW they are going to tell you how to raise your kids. Well at least how to feed them. Let's beat up the poor employees of McD's because they didn't offer you the multiple options on YOUR child's Happy Meal. When I go to get fast food...I WANT THE FRIES!!!!! I don't go that often and when the kids were home...my trip with them was about getting a burger and FRIES!!!! Once every four months is not excessive and I don't feel that I should have to answer to the state/county government that I want FRIES! What's next...well they are now telling the prepared food industry that they have to cut all salt. Just remember this...we are now dealing with many of the children, now adults, who were told throughout school that it wasn't their fault that they couldn't cope...it was their raising, too many hardships, and then fed the "self esteem" with out any thought about what they were creating. A bunch of "it's not my fault, I am entitled, you don't count cause I'm special" morons who have no functional skills. Hence we must make your decisions for you because you are a moron and will not take responsibility for your own actions. Ok...off the soap box now.

Amen!!!!!! 

[66FBCharger]

15 years ago the powers that be started the non-smoking campaign. Getting more and more brazen in it's attack on how disgusting a person was that smoked. Making it possible for others to attack one verbally if they smoked downwind and away from the group. Although I agree there are rude smokers...most I know are not. It was my statement that once they were happy with the status quo on smokers they would go after those who are overweight. Well here it is...NOW it's unthinkable. NOW it's upsetting. NOW they are going to tell you how to raise your kids. Well at least how to feed them. Let's beat up the poor employees of McD's because they didn't offer you the multiple options on YOUR child's Happy Meal. When I go to get fast food...I WANT THE FRIES!!!!! I don't go that often and when the kids were home...my trip with them was about getting a burger and FRIES!!!! Once every four months is not excessive and I don't feel that I should have to answer to the state/county government that I want FRIES! What's next...well they are now telling the prepared food industry that they have to cut all salt. Just remember this...we are now dealing with many of the children, now adults, who were told throughout school that it wasn't their fault that they couldn't cope...it was their raising, too many hardships, and then fed the "self esteem" with out any thought about what they were creating. A bunch of "it's not my fault, I am entitled, you don't count cause I'm special" morons who have no functional skills. Hence we must make your decisions for you because you are a moron and will not take responsibility for your own actions. Ok...off the soap box now.

I agree 100% 

[bull]

First they ban Happy Meal toys and now they're trying to ban circumcision? What's next? Are they going to dictate your wardrobe and how you can wipe your butt?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/12/health/main7048210.shtml

next thing you know, they might start trying to decide whose books and what subjects a bookstore can sell...

You've given me an idea. I'm thinking about self-publishing a book called "How to Clobber Wise-Cracking Mexican-Americans Without Getting Into Trouble" and selling it on Amazon. What do you think? Does it go too far?

I dunno if it goes too far or not, but I sure as hell aint gonna tell you you cant publish it.

I believe you'd rethink the notion of a book promoting illegal violence if it hit closer to home and could directly effect your wife or kids (if you had any). If/when you have kids, get back on here and tell me how much you're willing to protect the rights of pedophiles.

[Khyron]

so far I agree will Bull, Chargergirl, and RD, besiclly take thier posts and add my name to it, they covered by thought 100% ..... and the only thing that effects my sex is the fact that im married, not because Im cut.... BTW: my son has no nightmares or trama about him getting the surgery....so "last426" to sum it up, you do what you want with your kid, don't tell me what to do with mine.

[Khyron]

BTW: I'm also into Science... however.

its vaccinations,

agreed, but what about the flu one that gets many people sick?

its blood transfusions,

and all the people that get Hep c and HIV and a bunch of other recorded issues with this idea.

and most all proven modern approaches.  

not all things "Proven" now will be "proven" later.... people whole heartily believed the world was flat at one time.

Having spoken with both uncirced and circed men and their spouses and weighing the pros and cons, I definitely recognize the horror that the child goes through and the lasting, haunting memories.  

you didn't talk to me, nor it seems, a lot of men on this site.

Not to mention the decrease in sexuality of cut men.  

proof?

But note that I am only against it because it is not medically necessary and is left to the whim of the populace to decide for the child.

but as stated, who are you to decide?

But parents should not be allowed to disfigure their kids without a medical necessity.  Kim

and again, who is the government to tell me what I can do with my kid? If it's legal of course.... The second you give them the power to dictate <no pun intended> for this... we lost it all, welcome to America, I'm fairly sure I served in my nations military to preserve my freedoms.

[Khyron]

and only because I like to ....l well..... keep things going.

http://www.steadyhealth.com/tight_foreskin_problems_uncircumsized_penis_t114756.html

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Dermatology/uncircumcised-penis-problem/show/243199

heres a link to several studys that show no difference in sex.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_effects_of_circumcision

Laumann (1997)[24] National probability study Yes 1410 Circumcised men less likely to ejaculate prematurely Yes; p < 0.10

HA! there is reason enough to do it

more
http://books.google.com/books?id=s-7d20ulE8UC&pg=PA356&lpg=PA356&dq=problems+linked+with+uncircumsized+penis&source=bl&ots=cMocPXd8e7&sig=bFvAY0hBB0q1xY06Bw9THI0MIgM&hl=en&ei=VPTeTNqqL4Kclgfixs3nAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CGQQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

ohhhh ouch
http://www.circumstitions.com/Mayo.html

Some studies have shown a greater risk of cervical cancer in female sexual partners of uncircumcised men who are infected with human papilloma virus

Recent studies suggest that infants who are not circumcised may be more likely to develop urinary tract infections. These infections early in life may lead to kidney problems later in life.

so, with only looking through 2 pages of google... it seems as though there are already more problems related to not having the snip snip...

[Khyron]

I do want to say.... I mainly had my son done for cleanliness and because it's more of the "norm" I do want to thank this thread for making me do more homework and reinforce that I made the right choice.

I love this site, Charger and Penis talk.... what more can anyone ask for.

[Dans 68]

...I love this site, Charger and Penis talk.... what more can anyone ask for.

Umm, how about a ?    Please?

Dan

[last426]

I hear the undeniable rant of guilty parents who have harmed their male children beyond repair and/or cut men trying to prove themselves with their inadequate "equipment."  Sorry folks, the human male (and female) is born as intended and should be left that way until medically necessary.  "nuff said.  Kim

[70 Battle Horse]

I hear the undeniable rant of guilty parents who have harmed their male children beyond repair and/or cut men trying to prove themselves with their inadequate "equipment."  Sorry folks, the human male (and female) is born as intended and should be left that way until medically necessary.  "nuff said.  Kim

I am OVERJOYED that my parents made the wise choice to remove the hoodie. I would HATE to be walking around with a  nasty filthy "ant-eater" hanging  between my legs!!

[Khyron]

I hear the undeniable rant of guilty parents who have harmed their male children beyond repair and/or cut men trying to prove themselves with their inadequate "equipment."  Sorry folks, the human male (and female) is born as intended and should be left that way until medically necessary.  "nuff said.  Kim

I hear the finger pointing from a person intent of telling people how to live their life while they try to shove their own belief system down everyones throat and to do so has to resort to penis size insults instead of facts laid out before him.... "nuff said.

[Khyron]

so far to date Im going to assume the worse kind of person on this forum is a General Lee owners that removed all original metal and replaced it with AMD steel while removing the numbers matching motor that had his "hoodie" removed.

LMAO!

I love this place.... can we talk about abortion next?

[bull]

I love this place.... can we talk about abortion next?

I already mentioned it in this thread.

[RD]

I hear the undeniable rant of guilty parents who have harmed their male children beyond repair and/or cut men trying to prove themselves with their inadequate "equipment." 

me? guilty?  oh man...you are delusional.  I am not guilty that I had my son circumcised.  My parents are not feeling guilty for having me circumcised.

And as for the "inadequate equipment" comment... well... um...sure, whatever.

Sorry folks, the human male (and female) is born as intended and should be left that way until medically necessary.  "nuff said.  Kim

really?  i am going to have to remember that when it does come to abortion, transgender procedures, piercings and tattoo's, fake boobies, hair dye, permanent makeup, plastic surgeries, cosmetic dental work, AND people who suffer from cleft palates.  They can live their life with it the way it was "born" so why mess with it?

[A383Wing]

I love this site, Charger and Penis talk.... what more can anyone ask for.

how about this -->

[Khyron]

how about this -->

WHOOOHOOOOO!

[70redbee]

I am so mad at my parents that I can't pee straight. When the doctor cut me he must have been distracted for a moment,possibly by a naked nurse,
he slipped with the knife and now I am shorted. So when my son was born I got my chance...didn't work though...he is hung like a horse,
so his girlfriends say. Now put that in your pipe and stroke it.

[Khyron]

we where all clipped short, that's why we own Charger, we have to compensate LOL

[Al]

we where all clipped short, that's why we own Charger, we have to compensate LOL

big block Chargers 

[Al]

how about this -->

WHOOOHOOOOO!

So who's first ?

[Al]

how about this -->

WHOOOHOOOOO!

So who's first ?

And it goes without saying that a picture is worth a thousand words.

[doctor4766]

First they ban Happy Meal toys and now they're trying to ban circumcision? What's next? Are they going to dictate your wardrobe and how you can wipe your butt?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/12/health/main7048210.shtml

Ummmm... it's no skin off my nose

[bull]

First they ban Happy Meal toys and now they're trying to ban circumcision? What's next? Are they going to dictate your wardrobe and how you can wipe your butt?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/12/health/main7048210.shtml

Ummmm... it's no skin off my nose

No, it's skin off something else.

[ITSA426]

So... back to the beginning are we talking about our Taliban or theirs? 

It all just makes me get more involved in local matters.

[Khyron]

Taliwack or Taliban? what are we talking about ;-)

[nh_mopar_fan]

"Science advocates" and "believers in western medicine" might find this of interest:

US funds circumcision to fight AIDS in Zimbabwe
By ANGUS SHAW, Associated Press Angus Shaw, Associated Press
Sun Nov 14, 11:36 am ET

.HARARE, Zimbabwe – The U.S. ranks high on President Robert Mugabe's enemies list, but at ground level it is leading a war on AIDS that may help save the life of 32-year-old Tineyi Marokwe and hundreds of thousands of other Zimbabweans.

The weapon is cheap and simple: male circumcision, considered a significant reducer of AIDS transmission.

In a 10-minute surgical operation, Marokwe recently became one of more than a million Zimbabwean men in the most sexually active age group who are being targeted for circumcision during the next seven years.

Dr. Bill Jansen, a senior American adviser with the U.S. Agency for International Development in Zimbabwe, says trials and circumcision pilot programs in South Africa and East Africa have shown a reduction in HIV infection by 60 percent.

The Zimbabwe program, begun in May 2009, has carried out 12,000 circumcisions. The U.S. spent $6.6 million on it in the first year and more money is promised as the program scales up.

It makes a quiet counterpoint to the stridency of Mugabe's confrontation with the West, primarily the United States and former colonial ruler Britain, over the sanctions imposed on his government because of its human rights record.

So vilified are Western nations by Mugabe that few Zimbabweans realize their continuing aid programs are the mainstay of humanitarian assistance to the troubled nation.

The U.S. is Zimbabwe's biggest aid donor — more than $1 billion since 2002 — and the biggest contributor to nationwide modern AIDS clinics that have tested and counseled 2 million people. This month it pledged another $50 million to its wider AIDS programs that include supplies of AIDS drugs.

While Mugabe has done nothing to hinder the program, some volunteers assigned to explain sexual health issues to the poor have been accused by Mugabe's supporters of abetting a U.S. political agenda and working for the opposition in next year's election.

Marokwe says he was afraid to go to the clinic in western Harare, the capital.

"I was worried, but when I came here I learned this could save my life," the unemployed laborer told The Associated Press.

Nurses unpacked one of 60,000 single-use circumcision kits allocated by USAID — forceps, disposable scalpels, needles and gauze — and administered local anesthesia while surgeon Shame Dendere exchanged cheerful banter with Marokwe.

He was told to expect minor pain after the anesthetic had worn off, to abstain from sex for six weeks and to come back three times for follow-up treatment.

The procedure complete, Marokwe dressed and headed to a bus stop to ride home, saying "I'm going to tell all my friends."

The clinic conducts more than 40 procedures a day and expects demand to grow to as many as 180 a day as word spreads.

If the program can circumcise 1.2 million Zimbabwean men by 2017, 750,000 new HIV infections can be averted, Jansen said. The organizers envisage a future stage for the program with circumcision at birth. At present more than 10 percent of Zimbabwean men are circumcised, mainly in tribal ceremonies during early childhood.

While condoms and fidelity remain essential, circumcision helps because the foreskin is more vulnerable to the AIDS virus.

According to Population Services International, an independent family planning and sexual health organization, Zimbabwe's infection rate is about 13 percent of the population, but rises above 20 percent in the 13-30 age group.

The circumcision is free, with USAID picking up most of the cost, helped by the international Population Services group and health care charities, but a nominal fee is being considered because "when something is free, there is a tendency for people not to attach any value to it," said Roy Dhlamini, a PSI social worker.

He said when the U.S. government provided free condoms, many Zimbabweans shunned them. That changed when they were priced at a token 10 U.S. cents.

Besides performing circumcisions, the doctors must cope with misinformation: that foreskins are used in healing rituals and witchcraft, in skin grafts or skin lotions.

"We've seen this in the media and heard it in our interaction with communities," Jansen said.

Fred Togara, 36, a brick maker and father of two, said he knew little about circumcision other than from verses he read in the Old Testament.

He said that after a policeman friend who got circumcised told him about the U.S. program, "I wanted to do this process for hygiene and put safety first."

[Khyron]

utt ohh now you did it

[Brock Samson]

 Now for a second there i thought i was reading the cut chop rebuild thread.. 

[Khyron]

Now for a second there i thought i was reading the cut chop rebuild thread.. 

the cut and shop is here, just not the rebuild...... though, i guess if you hand weights at the end of it..... *shudder*

[John_Kunkel]

When I was a kid I worked in the circumcision ward at a local hospital, the pay was lousy but it was a great opportunity to get ahead. 

[doctor4766]

Wow I worked in one of those too.
But on my first day of performing surgery I slipped and got the sack

[nh_mopar_fan]

When I was a kid I worked in the circumcision ward at a local hospital, the pay was lousy but it was a great opportunity to get ahead. 

You got paid? I thought you guys worked for tips. 

[RD]

When I was a kid I worked in the circumcision ward at a local hospital, the pay was lousy but it was a great opportunity to get ahead. 

[ACUDANUT]

Well I guess we all know, now "last426" has a dirty tool". Good luck finding a Date.
BTW that's TMI...OR is Kim a Female who has never had a mushroom print. 

[mauve66]

so the US sends 1 BILLION $ over there but can't take care  of its own people?

[Khyron]

so the US sends 1 BILLION $ over there but can't take care  of its own people?

wrong thread for that conversation

[Todd Wilson]

look at who's driving most of the big rigs around the US...at least over here...then ask yerself what's really being carried in the back of the 18 wheelers...

I say ship 'em all back...one way

The day after Halloween I was at the local Salt Plant waiting to give them a railroad switch of their cars.   Osama Bin Laden walked in to the shipping office. We all cracked up. Thought it was funny that this dude was still wearing his Halloween costume but he was just a trucker! Wearing the robe and the rag on the head.

We are over in Afgan looking for Bin Laden and he's here in the states screwin it down on the superslab in his Peterbilt.................

Better hope one of these dudes doesnt get to haul a trailer of fertilizer. Make a detour somewhere for a few hours to add to it and they'd have one hell of a OKC bomb deluxe to truck right on in to a big city.


Todd

[Todd Wilson]

Sorry folks, the human male (and female) is born as intended and should be left that way until medically necessary.  "nuff said.  Kim

You must have one heck of a beard.


Todd

[Khyron]

You must have one heck of a beard.

Todd

and his chick must look like she's got a Rabi in a headlock

[nvrbdn]

those 2 last posts killed me. good jobs 

[PocketThunder]

You must have one heck of a beard.

Todd

and his chick must look like she's got a Rabi in a headlock

Wouldnt that be two rabi's in a headlock?