Amazon.com... boy they screwed the pooch on this one

[RD]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40112145/?gt1=43001

Amazon defends 'Pedophile's Guide'
Another book protested in 2002 for advocating adult-child sex is still available on the site

Amazon.com
By Helen A.S. Popkin
msnbc.com staff and news service reports msnbc.com staff and news service reports
updated 2 hours 47 minutes ago

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i do not believe in censorship... but I also do not believe in selling products of such distasteful content where children are able to access said content with just a click of the mouse, from a supposedly reputable site.  how the hell would you explain this to your kid if they stumbled upon it?  i sure in the hell wouldnt want to be forced into explaining just because Amazon.com decided to "go against censorship"

i have never bought from them, so i cannot say I will not in the future.. but right now.. i will continue to avoid them.

[last426]

i do not believe in censorship... but I also do not believe in selling products of such distasteful content where children are able to access said content with just a click of the mouse, from a supposedly reputable site.

You do believe in censorship.  How many more of our freedoms will we sacrifice because of the perceived effect on our children?  The mythical child molester has already molded American males' lives to the point of crippling the big brothers' program and others -- now you want to ban a book?  The effect of a book (let's assume it is the worst) describing physical acts is not as debilitating as a society telling kids to constantly be aware, to trust no adult, especially males, and to go running to the authorities if someone is kind enough to offer them a ride.  I am glad I was a kid in the 60's and not now. Kim

[chargergirl]

I believe in freedom of speech. I also believe in an owners right to not carry such items for sale on their site I consider that their freedom of speech. What to tell the kids tell them that the bad guy doesn't wear a black hat and doesn't look like a freak. They will have a cool car, cool toys, games and there will be something about them that makes your "woobie" go something is VERY wrong here. That's what I told my son growing up and all the ones I later inherited...it works. All people don't mean you harm...some do that's the long and the short of it. Be aware.

[RallyeMike]

How many more of our freedoms will we sacrifice because of the perceived effect on our children?  The mythical child molester has already molded American males' lives to the point of crippling the big brothers' program and others -- now you want to ban a book?  The effect of a book (let's assume it is the worst) describing physical acts is not as debilitating as a society telling kids to constantly be aware, to trust no adult, especially males, and to go running to the authorities if someone is kind enough to offer them a ride.  I am glad I was a kid in the 60's and not now.

Perceived? Mythical? Somehow I think your opinion might be different if you were abused by a pedophile as child.

This book apparently provides tips to persons carrying our serious crimes against children on how to get away with it. Amazon, as a major retailer, is not exercising reasonable judgment in distributing this crap. Freedom of speech is critically important but that doesn't mean anyone, including Amazon, is obliged to help this guy get his seriously perverted, criminal message out. Censorship is when it's illegal to say something. A reputed company choosing not to help people spread a message like this is freedom of making a reasonable choice, not censorship. I'll certainly be exercising my freedom to shop elsewhere for now on.

Freedom without reasonable limits set by reasonable people is nothing but chaos.

[RD]

i do not believe in censorship... but I also do not believe in selling products of such distasteful content where children are able to access said content with just a click of the mouse, from a supposedly reputable site.

You do believe in censorship.  How many more of our freedoms will we sacrifice because of the perceived effect on our children?  The mythical child molester has already molded American males' lives to the point of crippling the big brothers' program and others -- now you want to ban a book?  The effect of a book (let's assume it is the worst) describing physical acts is not as debilitating as a society telling kids to constantly be aware, to trust no adult, especially males, and to go running to the authorities if someone is kind enough to offer them a ride.  I am glad I was a kid in the 60's and not now. Kim

some freedoms were not meant for distribution when our founding fathers wrote the constitution.  Describing physical acts to do to an unwilling minor and then to promote ways to get away with breaking the law, i can safely say, was NOT what the founders had in mind.. i dont give a crap who anyone is.  The constitution also states that those freedoms that we have are only provided when they do not bring harm to others or the commonwealth.  Wait until you find a court case where some pedophile was found to have this on his kindle.

you can fight this fight Kim, I just so hope your impartiality and unbias towards this despicable and socially unacceptable book is able to stomach the repercussions, pain, hurt, and physical/emotional damage that acceptance to this type of behavior is promoting and attempting to protect.

you say protecting his rights, but at what cost?  this guy is no better than those "terrorist for dummies" authors or "white pride" propaganda crap.  Freedom of speech, I get it... chalk this guy up next to Fred Phelps if you ask me.  They are on this earth in order to do one thing.. to demoralize and desensitize people to abhorrent, virulent, and harmful material in order to promote selfish, primal desires over that of the commonwealth.

[doctor4766]

Well said RD.
I cannot understand how a "how to" guide for pedophiles can even make it to publication, cyber or otherwise.
I only hope that the FBI are allowed access by Amazon to a list of those who download this ebook 

[elacruze]

Refusing to distribute the book does not equate to Censorship. That would merely be a marketing decision, since it would not call for the suppression or destruction of the material, nor would it affect distribution through other channels.
Freedom of the press does not equate to an obligation to distribute.
Amazon should refuse to be associated with this material.

[hemi68charger]

Refusing to distribute the book does not equate to Censorship. That would merely be a marketing decision, since it would not call for the suppression or destruction of the material, nor would it affect distribution through other channels.
Freedom of the press does not equate to an obligation to distribute.
Amazon should refuse to be associated with this material.

I guess Dodge dealerships should sell Chevy's............

[Todd Wilson]

 

[Todd Wilson]

 

[Ponch ®]

 

[nh_mopar_fan]

Refusing to distribute the book does not equate to Censorship. That would merely be a marketing decision, since it would not call for the suppression or destruction of the material, nor would it affect distribution through other channels.
Freedom of the press does not equate to an obligation to distribute.
Amazon should refuse to be associated with this material.

Bingo.

This isn't censorship.

Amazon is well within their rights to market the book. Free speech, however, is not without consequences such as boycotts and protests.

[Ponch ®]

you say protecting his rights, but at what cost?  this guy is no better than those "terrorist for dummies" authors or "white pride" propaganda crap.  

Well, books like The Turner Diaries and Hunter (which have inspired many a domestic terrorist/white supremacist, including McVeigh) have been on Amazon for a long time, but I don't see any similar furor raised over them.

I can see both sides of the argument, but it makes me nervous that Amazon is being vilified for selling the book. Trying to coerce Amazon not to sell the book IS a form of censorship. For a country that values freedom and personal choice, we sure do assume that people are stupid and can't decide for themselves whether something is acceptable or not. The book is not going to create more pedophiles -odds are that if you're inclined to look for such a book, you already have a problem - just like a book about guns is not necessarily going to create another Columbine.

We don't have Freedom of Speech to protect our rights to say "Puppies and Flowers are cute"....we have it to protect stuff like this, even if it's nonsense and most reasonable individuals find it objectionable. But again, I see both sides of the argument here...

[RD]

you say protecting his rights, but at what cost?  this guy is no better than those "terrorist for dummies" authors or "white pride" propaganda crap.  

Well, books like The Turner Diaries and Hunter (which have inspired many a domestic terrorist/white supremacist, including McVeigh) have been on Amazon for a long time, but I don't see any similar furor raised over them.

never knew.. and if i did, i would post about them also.

I can see both sides of the argument, but it makes me nervous that Amazon is being vilified for selling the book. Trying to coerce Amazon not to sell the book IS a form of censorship.

I guess we should let the Yemeni corporation run our security for the ports under this concept.  Who are we to tell a business what they can and cannot do in the U.S.  Oh wait.. we did right?

For a country that values freedom and personal choice, we sure do assume that people are stupid and can't decide for themselves whether something is acceptable or not. The book is not going to create more pedophiles -odds are that if you're inclined to look for such a book, you already have a problem - just like a book about guns is not necessarily going to create another Columbine.

Can you say for sure, without a shadow of a doubt that this book will NOT create more pedophiles?  You mention that those who view this book are most likely inclined to exhibit this type of behavior.. true.. but did you forget to mention that this book provides hints and steps to allow for those who are "inclined" to try and get away with this heinous act?

We don't have Freedom of Speech to protect our rights to say "Puppies and Flowers are cute"....we have it to protect stuff like this, even if it's nonsense and most reasonable individuals find it objectionable. But again, I see both sides of the argument here...

I think in our crusade to achieve a sense of higher being in regards to liberty, this country and its citizens who champion such liberalist views, will find that all their hard work to maintain certain liberties for the "sake of" will only cause, allow, or create even larger problems that go against basic moral principle.  There are times in which political correctness only invigorates and cultivates malevolent behavior.  Complacence in regards to illegal, immoral, and disgusting acts will lead to larger problems in the future.  The moral degradation of our society is in full swing... so in order to maintain a liberalist perspective of freedom of speech, we will continue to strengthen that resolve.

There are some things in life far more important that someone being allowed to have a venue to purport their criminal beliefs and sodomy based sexual desires.... one of those things is the safety of the citizens (e.g the children).

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/40131445#40127924

[learical1]

I understand that all the hubbub over this book has shot sales through the roof, placing it on back order, and keeping the regular purchasers (priests) from getting their copies! 

[John_Kunkel]

RD's side won, Amazon folded to pressure from the do-gooders.

[chargerboy69]

and keeping the regular purchasers (priests) from getting their copies! 

Nice.   

[Black Charger]

The old adage "just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD" applies here.

Sure, Amazon has every right to sell whatever books they want to regardless of whatever message they represent, but is it really a good idea? Do they really want to be associated with pedophilia in any shape or form? THAT is something that Amazon and other book retailers should seriously consider before selling harmful material such as this.

[RD]

RD's side won, Amazon folded to pressure from the do-gooders.

yeah for the do-gooders... I much like that label better than do-badders.

[bull]

Ahh, these guys never disappoint do they? I think Kim would defend the production of public incestuous amputee bestiality snuff films if he had the chance.

You do believe in censorship.  How many more of our freedoms will we sacrifice because of the perceived effect on our children?  The mythical child molester has already molded American males' lives to the point of crippling the big brothers' program and others -- now you want to ban a book?  The effect of a book (let's assume it is the worst) describing physical acts is not as debilitating as a society telling kids to constantly be aware, to trust no adult, especially males, and to go running to the authorities if someone is kind enough to offer them a ride.  I am glad I was a kid in the 60's and not now. Kim

RD's side won, Amazon folded to pressure from the do-gooders.

[last426]

Ahh, these guys never disappoint do they? I think Kim would defend the production of public incestuous amputee bestiality snuff films if he had the chance.

Someone has to fight to keep you free.  You see, I make these arguments to maintain your liberties and because words don't hurt. Gee, I have to go get a Kleenex -- I'm tearing up (or maybe I have a fetish for public incestuous amputee bestiality snuff films). Kim

[bull]

Ahh, these guys never disappoint do they? I think Kim would defend the production of public incestuous amputee bestiality snuff films if he had the chance.

Someone has to fight to keep you free.  You see, I make these arguments to maintain your liberties and because words don't hurt. Gee, I have to go get a Kleenex -- I'm tearing up (or maybe I have a fetish for public incestuous amputee bestiality snuff films). Kim

Right. You're protecting our freedoms. I think your "genius" is wasted on the wrong causes. Instead of defending pedophilia and selling fridge alarms to protect this faux freedom you're referring to perhaps your oft, self-proclaimed brilliance could be utilized in a more laudable, productive way. Here's a good one that even the most leftist dirtbag would deem worthy: try to convince this nation's federal government to eliminate its $13.7 trillion in national debt, or its $200 billion interest pit on that debt, or its $594 billion trade deficit. Or maybe you could work toward helping Americans eliminate their $2 trillion in consumer debt, or maybe the $802 billion in credit card debt, hmmm? Your status with me would probably elevate to sub-human if you worked toward that end for a year or two. You think anyone in this nation is free with this debt monkey on our backs? Not even close. The ship's going down and you're worried about "saving" the mangy rats on board. What a legacy!

[Todd Wilson]

Ahh, these guys never disappoint do they? I think Kim would defend the production of public incestuous amputee bestiality snuff films if he had the chance.

I seen that in a movie once!!!!!!


Todd

[last426]

Someone has to fight to keep you free.  You see, I make these arguments to maintain your liberties and because words don't hurt. Gee, I have to go get a Kleenex -- I'm tearing up (or maybe I have a fetish for public incestuous amputee bestiality snuff films). Kim

Right. You're protecting our freedoms.

You're welcome.  Kim

[bull]

Someone has to fight to keep you free.  You see, I make these arguments to maintain your liberties and because words don't hurt. Gee, I have to go get a Kleenex -- I'm tearing up (or maybe I have a fetish for public incestuous amputee bestiality snuff films). Kim

Right. You're protecting our freedoms.

You're welcome.  Kim

Your laziness only strengthens my argument, and your screwy opinion on the topic makes you sound more foolish than I ever could. I rest my case.