72 Charger looks original; Kansas on ebay *survivor*

[BB1]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-Dodge-Charger-99-Original-Great-Condition-/220689224071?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item33621a5187

What do you think? 

[41husk]

Looks like a red engine compartment!  If it is a survivor it came with the rare white body with red Engine compaertment.

[Charger440RDN]

In the description it says the owner repainted the car white in 2005. Looks like a nice car, console and bucket seats too 

[RD]

officially loses its survivor status with a new or different paint job (by definition), and in this case the removal of the 1/2 vinyl top. 

technically, though i believe the number has risen throughout the years due to rarity, survivor cars are only survivors if they have 29,000 miles or less.

good looking charger with low miles and easy to repair to bring to good shape... watching this one

[Vainglory, Esq.]

Doubt it'll stay close to its current bid price ($1050), but it could be a huge bargain for someone looking for a great base 3rd gen to build off of.

[TUFCAT]

Nice T-handle shifter - Yikes!

[TeeWJay426]

Nice T-handle shifter - Yikes!

I noticed that too.... THAT sure ain't factory!!

[ACUDANUT]

 I wish him luck. I could not get a lousy 2k for mine. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1971-Dodge-Charger-/320591693635?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4aa4c10743

[Nacho-RT74]

Nice T-handle shifter - Yikes!

I noticed that too.... THAT sure ain't factory!!

definitelly the T shifter didn't SURVIVE

[Charger440RDN]

I would definitely put a pistol grip shifter in this thing if I bought it.

[quapman]

"99% original"

Except for the repaint and top removal and wacky shifter and.....

Still looks like a decent car. Interesting for a non-S.E. base model to have rallye gauges.
Probably worth around $2500 in this market.

Did somebody say pistol grip? (hijack warning)

[Charger440RDN]

"99% original"

Except for the repaint and top removal and wacky shifter and.....

Still looks like a decent car. Interesting for a non-S.E. base model to have rallye gauges.
Probably worth around $2500 in this market.

Did somebody say pistol grip? (hijack warning)

Sweeet!!!!!!!!

[ACUDANUT]

How much are those "pistol grips" ??

[Ghoste]

Not cheap, but the price of looking cool never is.

http://www.gunslingershifters.com/71-74gunslingershifters.htm

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

officially loses its survivor status with a new or different paint job (by definition), and in this case the removal of the 1/2 vinyl top. 

technically, though i believe the number has risen throughout the years due to rarity, survivor cars are only survivors if they have 29,000 miles or less.

good looking charger with low miles and easy to repair to bring to good shape... watching this one

I agree about it not being a "survivor" however, it has nothing to do with mileage - the changes disqualify the car from survivor status. Mileage is what it is. 29,000 miles? Where did that come from??

[RD]

officially loses its survivor status with a new or different paint job (by definition), and in this case the removal of the 1/2 vinyl top. 

technically, though i believe the number has risen throughout the years due to rarity, survivor cars are only survivors if they have 29,000 miles or less.

good looking charger with low miles and easy to repair to bring to good shape... watching this one

I agree about it not being a "survivor" however, it has nothing to do with mileage - the changes disqualify the car from survivor status. Mileage is what it is. 29,000 miles? Where did that come from??

from those that coined the term "survivor" back in the 80's... the corvette guys.  I am sure that a car to be termed a survivor had to have 29,000 miles or less as a requirement for the survivor definition.  if there is not a cap on mileage.. we could call any car a survivor just because it is still around

[dangina]

"99% original"

Except for the repaint and top removal and wacky shifter and.....

Still looks like a decent car. Interesting for a non-S.E. base model to have rallye gauges.
Probably worth around $2500 in this market.

Did somebody say pistol grip? (hijack warning)

autogrip how does yours work? I bought one from pistolgrip 8 years ago and it has a trigger on the front to change gears and is straight up and down - I like that yours is bent (more original looking)

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

officially loses its survivor status with a new or different paint job (by definition), and in this case the removal of the 1/2 vinyl top. 

technically, though i believe the number has risen throughout the years due to rarity, survivor cars are only survivors if they have 29,000 miles or less.

good looking charger with low miles and easy to repair to bring to good shape... watching this one

I agree about it not being a "survivor" however, it has nothing to do with mileage - the changes disqualify the car from survivor status. Mileage is what it is. 29,000 miles? Where did that come from??

from those that coined the term "survivor" back in the 80's... the corvette guys.  I am sure that a car to be termed a survivor had to have 29,000 miles or less as a requirement for the survivor definition.  if there is not a cap on mileage.. we could call any car a survivor just because it is still around

"Survivor" was coined in the Corvette world by David Burroughs however, I have never heard of mileage being a factor and I have worked closely with David for many years.

Originality and typical factory production are keys to being a Survivor. I hope this helps 

[ACUDANUT]

Looks like a red engine compartment!  If it is a survivor it came with the rare white body with red Engine compaertment.

Yea, those red engine compartments were a option. 

[RD]

officially loses its survivor status with a new or different paint job (by definition), and in this case the removal of the 1/2 vinyl top.  

technically, though i believe the number has risen throughout the years due to rarity, survivor cars are only survivors if they have 29,000 miles or less.

good looking charger with low miles and easy to repair to bring to good shape... watching this one

I agree about it not being a "survivor" however, it has nothing to do with mileage - the changes disqualify the car from survivor status. Mileage is what it is. 29,000 miles? Where did that come from??

from those that coined the term "survivor" back in the 80's... the corvette guys.  I am sure that a car to be termed a survivor had to have 29,000 miles or less as a requirement for the survivor definition.  if there is not a cap on mileage.. we could call any car a survivor just because it is still around

"Survivor" was coined in the Corvette world by David Burroughs however, I have never heard of mileage being a factor and I have worked closely with David for many years.

Originality and typical factory production are keys to being a Survivor. I hope this helps  

well i am glad that you worked with david, but i could put alot of OE stuff on my car.. would it make it a survivor or just a restoration?  how many 94,000 mile cars do you know have all the OE equipment to achieve a 90-95% originality score on the Bloomington scoresheet?

realistically, I "do" remember there being a mileage cap in regards to survivor status.  I read it somewhere, just cannot remember at this time.  I do not just type shit to make it look like i know what i am talking about... i type it because i remember seeing it somewhere and that "somewhere" had some validity and reliability as a source.

FWIW - ( i am sure these criterions have changed over the past 30 years and will continue to be modified to include overly pompous rich people who just "have to have" their car labeled a survivor)

Four Areas of Inspection

Exterior:  This includes everything visible with the doors, hood, and trunk closed.  ( Body, exterior paint, trim, chrome, glass, etc. but not wheels, covers, or tires).  Judges inspect the entire exterior as ONE component and determine if "the total" remains over 50% un-restored, un-refinished, or unaltered.  To see Exterior examples, please click here.

Interior: This includes everything visible in the cabin and trunk including jambs. (Carpet, headliner, seats, dash, controls, trim, etc. but does not include windows)  Judges inspect the entire interior as ONE component and determine if "the total" remains over 50% un-restored, un-recovered, un-refinished or unaltered.  To See Interior examples, please click here.  

Under Hood: This includes everything visible in the engine compartment. (Engine, visible frame/suspension, firewall, fender wells, underside of hood, accessories, hoses, wiring, fasteners, etc.) Judges inspect the entire under hood area as ONE component and determine if "the total" remains over 50% un-restored, un-refinished, or unaltered.  To see Underhood examples, please click here.

Chassis:  This includes everything visible attached to and including the frame, wheels, tires, and covers, but does not include the part of the frame/suspension visible from under hood. Judges inspect the entire chassis as ONE component and determine if "the total" remains over 50% un-restored, un-recovered, or unaltered.  To see Chassis examples, please click here.

but really, who gives a shit?  I define a survivor as a car that is OE correct is 95% of its original components.  This criteria is more easily obtained with a car that has 30,000 miles or less due to the fact that most the OE items will most likely still be on the car.  These cars are true survivors.  The 65,000 mile car is most likely "not" to obtain the same OE components.

So..... you say no 29,000 mile requirements... I say I quoted that because I saw it on some corvette site that had validity.   You think you are right.... I dont care if you are right or wrong.  hope this helps.

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all in all.. this will NOT affect the price of tea in china.. and the term survivor is in the eye of the beholder.  you are no more right than I am because no one has the rights over the definition of the term survivor because it is totally opinion and belief based.  and we all know.. opinions and beliefs are different from person to person.

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

officially loses its survivor status with a new or different paint job (by definition), and in this case the removal of the 1/2 vinyl top.  

technically, though i believe the number has risen throughout the years due to rarity, survivor cars are only survivors if they have 29,000 miles or less.

good looking charger with low miles and easy to repair to bring to good shape... watching this one

I agree about it not being a "survivor" however, it has nothing to do with mileage - the changes disqualify the car from survivor status. Mileage is what it is. 29,000 miles? Where did that come from??

from those that coined the term "survivor" back in the 80's... the corvette guys.  I am sure that a car to be termed a survivor had to have 29,000 miles or less as a requirement for the survivor definition.  if there is not a cap on mileage.. we could call any car a survivor just because it is still around

"Survivor" was coined in the Corvette world by David Burroughs however, I have never heard of mileage being a factor and I have worked closely with David for many years.

Originality and typical factory production are keys to being a Survivor. I hope this helps  

well i am glad that you worked with david, but i could put alot of OE stuff on my car.. would it make it a survivor or just a restoration?  how many 94,000 mile cars do you know have all the OE equipment to achieve a 90-95% originality score on the Bloomington scoresheet?

realistically, I "do" remember there being a mileage cap in regards to survivor status.  I read it somewhere, just cannot remember at this time.  I do not just type shit to make it look like i know what i am talking about... i type it because i remember seeing it somewhere and that "somewhere" had some validity and reliability as a source.

FWIW - ( i am sure these criterions have changed over the past 30 years and will continue to be modified to include overly pompous rich people who just "have to have" their car labeled a survivor)

Four Areas of Inspection

Exterior:  This includes everything visible with the doors, hood, and trunk closed.  ( Body, exterior paint, trim, chrome, glass, etc. but not wheels, covers, or tires).  Judges inspect the entire exterior as ONE component and determine if "the total" remains over 50% un-restored, un-refinished, or unaltered.  To see Exterior examples, please click here.

Interior: This includes everything visible in the cabin and trunk including jambs. (Carpet, headliner, seats, dash, controls, trim, etc. but does not include windows)  Judges inspect the entire interior as ONE component and determine if "the total" remains over 50% un-restored, un-recovered, un-refinished or unaltered.  To See Interior examples, please click here.  

Under Hood: This includes everything visible in the engine compartment. (Engine, visible frame/suspension, firewall, fender wells, underside of hood, accessories, hoses, wiring, fasteners, etc.) Judges inspect the entire under hood area as ONE component and determine if "the total" remains over 50% un-restored, un-refinished, or unaltered.  To see Underhood examples, please click here.

Chassis:  This includes everything visible attached to and including the frame, wheels, tires, and covers, but does not include the part of the frame/suspension visible from under hood. Judges inspect the entire chassis as ONE component and determine if "the total" remains over 50% un-restored, un-recovered, or unaltered.  To see Chassis examples, please click here.

but really, who gives a shit?  I define a survivor as a car that is OE correct is 95% of its original components.  This criteria is more easily obtained with a car that has 30,000 miles or less due to the fact that most the OE items will most likely still be on the car.  These cars are true survivors.  The 65,000 mile car is most likely "not" to obtain the same OE components.

So..... you say no 29,000 mile requirements... I say I quoted that because I saw it on some corvette site that had validity.   You think you are right.... I dont care if you are right or wrong.  hope this helps.

Wow... Just wow... 

[RD]

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all in all.. this will NOT affect the price of tea in china.. and the term survivor is in the eye of the beholder.  you are no more right than I am because no one has the rights over the definition of the term survivor because it is totally opinion and belief based.  and we all know.. opinions and beliefs are different from person to person.

you forgot that.

[1969chargerrtse]

officially loses its survivor status with a new or different paint job (by definition), and in this case the removal of the 1/2 vinyl top. 

technically, though i believe the number has risen throughout the years due to rarity, survivor cars are only survivors if they have 29,000 miles or less.

good looking charger with low miles and easy to repair to bring to good shape... watching this one

" survivor cars are only survivors if they have 29,000 miles or less. " Says who?.

I like it.  I like any car with hideaways.

[RD]

officially loses its survivor status with a new or different paint job (by definition), and in this case the removal of the 1/2 vinyl top. 

technically, though i believe the number has risen throughout the years due to rarity, survivor cars are only survivors if they have 29,000 miles or less.

good looking charger with low miles and easy to repair to bring to good shape... watching this one

" survivor cars are only survivors if they have 29,000 miles or less. " Says who?.

I like it.  I like any car with hideaways.

ummm... read above.. i wish i could provide you with the website that had that criteria.. the link was provided on this website many years ago.. so I have seen it.  Says who.. not sure who the website author was, but I did see it.  So.. c'est la vie... cant prove it.. and you cant prove that i have not seen it.  so... just let it go.

[Ghoste]

The Corvette crowd has had a written definition for some time now and competing for Bloomington Gold requires adherance to their rules.  I can't comment on the 29,000 mile part because I don't know (or care) about the Vette freaks rules but I do recall hearing more than once that in spite of their long list of rules the Vette guys will allow some enormous amount of repaint (my memory tells me 80% but I'm not sure) and still consider it a survivor.  I like seeing the Mopar Survivors that have been attending some of the larger shows.  Those cars are impressive and largely as they were when new no matter what the mileage.

[RD]

The Corvette crowd has had a written definition for some time now and competing for Bloomington Gold requires adherance to their rules.  I can't comment on the 29,000 mile part because I don't know (or care) about he Vette freaks rules but I do recall hearing more than once that in spite of their long list of rules the Vette guys will allow some enormous amount of repaint (my memory tells me 80% but I'm not sure) and still consider it a survivor.  I like seeing the Mopar Survivors that have been attending some of the larger shows.  Those cars are impressive and largely as they were when new no matter what the mileage.

good points ghoste.. i guess the crux of the issue here is that whatever they called a survivor 20 years ago is way different from today, and 20 years from now the definition will change again.

[Todd Wilson]

from those that coined the term "survivor" back in the 80's... the corvette guys.  I am sure that a car to be termed a survivor had to have 29,000 miles or less as a requirement for the survivor definition.  if there is not a cap on mileage.. we could call any car a survivor just because it is still around
[/quote]



Frankie is a survivor!


Todd

[BB1]

I through in the word survivor to screw with u guys. It's just a buzz word that gets ppl overly pissed off.  
Every body has the right to use the word there is no correct use for it.
Maybe my Hyundai after 40 years could be a survivor, surviving my driving skills.  

If it survived this long with the OME part that it looks like it did, minus the T handle shifter, then I think it survived many many years where most cars that age ended up in the junkyard long ago.

I like the car myself, no i have no plans to buy it.

Yes i hate Corvette owners, my aunt had 1 and I never like her either. 

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

The Corvette crowd has had a written definition for some time now and competing for Bloomington Gold requires adherance to their rules.  I can't comment on the 29,000 mile part because I don't know (or care) about the Vette freaks rules but I do recall hearing more than once that in spite of their long list of rules the Vette guys will allow some enormous amount of repaint (my memory tells me 80% but I'm not sure) and still consider it a survivor.  I like seeing the Mopar Survivors that have been attending some of the larger shows.  Those cars are impressive and largely as they were when new no matter what the mileage.

I like seeing the MOPAR Survivors, too  In fact, I like them A LOT!! 

That said, I like seeing the Corvette Survivors and what they represent.

Having been involved with these cars - both Corvettes and Chargers, for over two decades and remember the fuss over what is a Survivor, and what is not. It is not some opinion posted on the internet however, I can reference the Bloomington Gold site for their criteria. The MOPAR Survivor criteria is slightly different and I will list it after the Corvette criteria.

Here are the facts... 

http://www.bloomingtongold.com/inc.php?link=survivor

Getting SURVIVOR® Certified documents the standard for unrestored vehicles. It means that a panel of judges have certified that the car meets these requirements:

Is over 20 years old.
Can pass a road test over 20 miles
Remains over 50% unrestored, un-refinished, or unaltered.
Retains finishes good enough to use as a color guide for restoration of a car just like it.

MOPAR Criteria:

CRITERIA: UNRESTORED / UNRESTIFIED MOPARS at least

25 years old, (REAR WHEEL DRIVE ONLY). Striving for 80% each; of the paint, interior, and drive train. Must be as "factory installed or applied". It does not mean repainted to the correct color or rebuilt to the original specifications.

We want the display to present each vehicle to best represent it the way it is after it Survived all these years. Maintenance and normal repairs are acceptable as well as minimal accident repair. Rust repair is not acceptable. Component replacement; such as belts, hoses, exhaust, tires, etc. is expected.

To maintain a high quality display, we recommend replacing components with similar items such as correct tire type and size, correct battery, stock appearing exhaust, correct hose clamps, belts, etc.

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

FWIW, It was 1990, when David Burroughs of Bloomington Gold, coined the term, "Survivor" as applied to judging standards. 

Hard to say the standards were changed when the guy who wrote the standard is still in the drivers seat... The four categories are listed in my earlier post, above...

For 1990, David Burroughs added another milestone judging event to the ever-growing Bloomington Gold show - Survivor judging for unrestored Corvettes. "Worn In, But Not Worn Out" became the theme as Corvettes at least twenty years old are judged in four categories for their originality and to determine whether or not they should best be left unrestored. As in Gold Certification judging, these original Corvettes are not judged against other cars, but against a factory standard.

[ACUDANUT]

 Apparently this guy has Several Chargers..He just sold another one last month...See LINK>>>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270642147784&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

[ACUDANUT]

 Also this guy seems to sell alot of older cars...Including GM and Ford cars....If it's the same guy, his other e-bay name is clax1950...Both of them are from Winchester KS, not a big town to say the least...

[ACUDANUT]

Anyone close to Winchester KS ?

[Nacho-RT74]

if he sells lot of cars he should know what SURVIVOR means

[ACUDANUT]

I through in the word survivor to screw with u guys. It's just a buzz word that gets ppl overly pissed off.  
Every body has the right to use the word there is no correct use for it.
Maybe my Hyundai after 40 years could be a survivor, surviving my driving skills.  

If it survived this long with the OME part that it looks like it did, minus the T handle shifter, then I think it survived many many years where most cars that age ended up in the junkyard long ago.

I like the car myself, no i have no plans to buy it.

Yes i hate Corvette owners, my aunt had 1 and I never like her either.  

Nacho, BW1 threw that word in

[TUFCAT]

Now....THIS car is a true survivor!!! (see ebay Link)  Sold for $22,500.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170555103911&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1123

This particular 1967 Coronet 500 had 11,000 miles and was a virtual time capsule except for the exhaust (it had factory duals but the tips are totally wrong) . It even has the optional H-code 383 four barrel HP engine with air conditioning! A very nice car.  :

Imagine the value if this were a 1969 Charger R/T instead!  

[TUFCAT]

Survivor trunk....

I wanted to place a bid and buy this car, and I almost did. Unfortunately it sold very fast....and for more cash than I could afford anyway...

[ACUDANUT]

Highest bid was only 3k. It didn't sell...Dang this economy sucks...Or 3rd Gen Chargers get NO respect.

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Now....THIS car is a true survivor!!! (see ebay Link)  Sold for $22,500.

Imagine the value if this were a 1969 Charger R/T instead!  

...that was the T7 car from a few weeks ago - if it were all cleaned up

[Charger440RDN]

Highest bid was only 3k. It didn't sell...Dang this economy sucks...Or 3rd Gen Chargers get NO respect.

Yeah it seems like the 3rd gens just arn't worth anything anymore unless it's a 71 R/T. I was thinking about buying one and on craigslist you see tons of them for 3k or less. Some of them have been on there for months.

[ACUDANUT]

True, or a 72 Rallye !!
BTW I asked this guy, what he wanted for it....8k...I say NOOO way.