72 Charger looks original; Kansas on ebay *survivor*

[BB1]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-Dodge-Charger-99-Original-Great-Condition-/220689224071?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item33621a5187

What do you think? 

[41husk]

Looks like a red engine compartment!  If it is a survivor it came with the rare white body with red Engine compaertment.

[Charger440RDN]

In the description it says the owner repainted the car white in 2005. Looks like a nice car, console and bucket seats too 

[RD]

officially loses its survivor status with a new or different paint job (by definition), and in this case the removal of the 1/2 vinyl top. 

technically, though i believe the number has risen throughout the years due to rarity, survivor cars are only survivors if they have 29,000 miles or less.

good looking charger with low miles and easy to repair to bring to good shape... watching this one

[Vainglory, Esq.]

Doubt it'll stay close to its current bid price ($1050), but it could be a huge bargain for someone looking for a great base 3rd gen to build off of.

[TUFCAT]

Nice T-handle shifter - Yikes!

[TeeWJay426]

Nice T-handle shifter - Yikes!

I noticed that too.... THAT sure ain't factory!!

[ACUDANUT]

 I wish him luck. I could not get a lousy 2k for mine. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1971-Dodge-Charger-/320591693635?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4aa4c10743

[Nacho-RT74]

Nice T-handle shifter - Yikes!

I noticed that too.... THAT sure ain't factory!!

definitelly the T shifter didn't SURVIVE

[Charger440RDN]

I would definitely put a pistol grip shifter in this thing if I bought it.

[quapman]

"99% original"

Except for the repaint and top removal and wacky shifter and.....

Still looks like a decent car. Interesting for a non-S.E. base model to have rallye gauges.
Probably worth around $2500 in this market.

Did somebody say pistol grip? (hijack warning)

[Charger440RDN]

"99% original"

Except for the repaint and top removal and wacky shifter and.....

Still looks like a decent car. Interesting for a non-S.E. base model to have rallye gauges.
Probably worth around $2500 in this market.

Did somebody say pistol grip? (hijack warning)

Sweeet!!!!!!!!

[ACUDANUT]

How much are those "pistol grips" ??

[Ghoste]

Not cheap, but the price of looking cool never is.

http://www.gunslingershifters.com/71-74gunslingershifters.htm

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

officially loses its survivor status with a new or different paint job (by definition), and in this case the removal of the 1/2 vinyl top. 

technically, though i believe the number has risen throughout the years due to rarity, survivor cars are only survivors if they have 29,000 miles or less.

good looking charger with low miles and easy to repair to bring to good shape... watching this one

I agree about it not being a "survivor" however, it has nothing to do with mileage - the changes disqualify the car from survivor status. Mileage is what it is. 29,000 miles? Where did that come from??

[RD]

officially loses its survivor status with a new or different paint job (by definition), and in this case the removal of the 1/2 vinyl top. 

technically, though i believe the number has risen throughout the years due to rarity, survivor cars are only survivors if they have 29,000 miles or less.

good looking charger with low miles and easy to repair to bring to good shape... watching this one

I agree about it not being a "survivor" however, it has nothing to do with mileage - the changes disqualify the car from survivor status. Mileage is what it is. 29,000 miles? Where did that come from??

from those that coined the term "survivor" back in the 80's... the corvette guys.  I am sure that a car to be termed a survivor had to have 29,000 miles or less as a requirement for the survivor definition.  if there is not a cap on mileage.. we could call any car a survivor just because it is still around

[dangina]

"99% original"

Except for the repaint and top removal and wacky shifter and.....

Still looks like a decent car. Interesting for a non-S.E. base model to have rallye gauges.
Probably worth around $2500 in this market.

Did somebody say pistol grip? (hijack warning)

autogrip how does yours work? I bought one from pistolgrip 8 years ago and it has a trigger on the front to change gears and is straight up and down - I like that yours is bent (more original looking)

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

officially loses its survivor status with a new or different paint job (by definition), and in this case the removal of the 1/2 vinyl top. 

technically, though i believe the number has risen throughout the years due to rarity, survivor cars are only survivors if they have 29,000 miles or less.

good looking charger with low miles and easy to repair to bring to good shape... watching this one

I agree about it not being a "survivor" however, it has nothing to do with mileage - the changes disqualify the car from survivor status. Mileage is what it is. 29,000 miles? Where did that come from??

from those that coined the term "survivor" back in the 80's... the corvette guys.  I am sure that a car to be termed a survivor had to have 29,000 miles or less as a requirement for the survivor definition.  if there is not a cap on mileage.. we could call any car a survivor just because it is still around

"Survivor" was coined in the Corvette world by David Burroughs however, I have never heard of mileage being a factor and I have worked closely with David for many years.

Originality and typical factory production are keys to being a Survivor. I hope this helps 

[ACUDANUT]

Looks like a red engine compartment!  If it is a survivor it came with the rare white body with red Engine compaertment.

Yea, those red engine compartments were a option. 

[RD]

officially loses its survivor status with a new or different paint job (by definition), and in this case the removal of the 1/2 vinyl top.  

technically, though i believe the number has risen throughout the years due to rarity, survivor cars are only survivors if they have 29,000 miles or less.

good looking charger with low miles and easy to repair to bring to good shape... watching this one

I agree about it not being a "survivor" however, it has nothing to do with mileage - the changes disqualify the car from survivor status. Mileage is what it is. 29,000 miles? Where did that come from??

from those that coined the term "survivor" back in the 80's... the corvette guys.  I am sure that a car to be termed a survivor had to have 29,000 miles or less as a requirement for the survivor definition.  if there is not a cap on mileage.. we could call any car a survivor just because it is still around

"Survivor" was coined in the Corvette world by David Burroughs however, I have never heard of mileage being a factor and I have worked closely with David for many years.

Originality and typical factory production are keys to being a Survivor. I hope this helps  

well i am glad that you worked with david, but i could put alot of OE stuff on my car.. would it make it a survivor or just a restoration?  how many 94,000 mile cars do you know have all the OE equipment to achieve a 90-95% originality score on the Bloomington scoresheet?

realistically, I "do" remember there being a mileage cap in regards to survivor status.  I read it somewhere, just cannot remember at this time.  I do not just type shit to make it look like i know what i am talking about... i type it because i remember seeing it somewhere and that "somewhere" had some validity and reliability as a source.

FWIW - ( i am sure these criterions have changed over the past 30 years and will continue to be modified to include overly pompous rich people who just "have to have" their car labeled a survivor)

Four Areas of Inspection

Exterior:  This includes everything visible with the doors, hood, and trunk closed.  ( Body, exterior paint, trim, chrome, glass, etc. but not wheels, covers, or tires).  Judges inspect the entire exterior as ONE component and determine if "the total" remains over 50% un-restored, un-refinished, or unaltered.  To see Exterior examples, please click here.

Interior: This includes everything visible in the cabin and trunk including jambs. (Carpet, headliner, seats, dash, controls, trim, etc. but does not include windows)  Judges inspect the entire interior as ONE component and determine if "the total" remains over 50% un-restored, un-recovered, un-refinished or unaltered.  To See Interior examples, please click here.  

Under Hood: This includes everything visible in the engine compartment. (Engine, visible frame/suspension, firewall, fender wells, underside of hood, accessories, hoses, wiring, fasteners, etc.) Judges inspect the entire under hood area as ONE component and determine if "the total" remains over 50% un-restored, un-refinished, or unaltered.  To see Underhood examples, please click here.

Chassis:  This includes everything visible attached to and including the frame, wheels, tires, and covers, but does not include the part of the frame/suspension visible from under hood. Judges inspect the entire chassis as ONE component and determine if "the total" remains over 50% un-restored, un-recovered, or unaltered.  To see Chassis examples, please click here.

but really, who gives a shit?  I define a survivor as a car that is OE correct is 95% of its original components.  This criteria is more easily obtained with a car that has 30,000 miles or less due to the fact that most the OE items will most likely still be on the car.  These cars are true survivors.  The 65,000 mile car is most likely "not" to obtain the same OE components.

So..... you say no 29,000 mile requirements... I say I quoted that because I saw it on some corvette site that had validity.   You think you are right.... I dont care if you are right or wrong.  hope this helps.

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all in all.. this will NOT affect the price of tea in china.. and the term survivor is in the eye of the beholder.  you are no more right than I am because no one has the rights over the definition of the term survivor because it is totally opinion and belief based.  and we all know.. opinions and beliefs are different from person to person.

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

officially loses its survivor status with a new or different paint job (by definition), and in this case the removal of the 1/2 vinyl top.  

technically, though i believe the number has risen throughout the years due to rarity, survivor cars are only survivors if they have 29,000 miles or less.

good looking charger with low miles and easy to repair to bring to good shape... watching this one

I agree about it not being a "survivor" however, it has nothing to do with mileage - the changes disqualify the car from survivor status. Mileage is what it is. 29,000 miles? Where did that come from??

from those that coined the term "survivor" back in the 80's... the corvette guys.  I am sure that a car to be termed a survivor had to have 29,000 miles or less as a requirement for the survivor definition.  if there is not a cap on mileage.. we could call any car a survivor just because it is still around

"Survivor" was coined in the Corvette world by David Burroughs however, I have never heard of mileage being a factor and I have worked closely with David for many years.

Originality and typical factory production are keys to being a Survivor. I hope this helps  

well i am glad that you worked with david, but i could put alot of OE stuff on my car.. would it make it a survivor or just a restoration?  how many 94,000 mile cars do you know have all the OE equipment to achieve a 90-95% originality score on the Bloomington scoresheet?

realistically, I "do" remember there being a mileage cap in regards to survivor status.  I read it somewhere, just cannot remember at this time.  I do not just type shit to make it look like i know what i am talking about... i type it because i remember seeing it somewhere and that "somewhere" had some validity and reliability as a source.

FWIW - ( i am sure these criterions have changed over the past 30 years and will continue to be modified to include overly pompous rich people who just "have to have" their car labeled a survivor)

Four Areas of Inspection

Exterior:  This includes everything visible with the doors, hood, and trunk closed.  ( Body, exterior paint, trim, chrome, glass, etc. but not wheels, covers, or tires).  Judges inspect the entire exterior as ONE component and determine if "the total" remains over 50% un-restored, un-refinished, or unaltered.  To see Exterior examples, please click here.

Interior: This includes everything visible in the cabin and trunk including jambs. (Carpet, headliner, seats, dash, controls, trim, etc. but does not include windows)  Judges inspect the entire interior as ONE component and determine if "the total" remains over 50% un-restored, un-recovered, un-refinished or unaltered.  To See Interior examples, please click here.  

Under Hood: This includes everything visible in the engine compartment. (Engine, visible frame/suspension, firewall, fender wells, underside of hood, accessories, hoses, wiring, fasteners, etc.) Judges inspect the entire under hood area as ONE component and determine if "the total" remains over 50% un-restored, un-refinished, or unaltered.  To see Underhood examples, please click here.

Chassis:  This includes everything visible attached to and including the frame, wheels, tires, and covers, but does not include the part of the frame/suspension visible from under hood. Judges inspect the entire chassis as ONE component and determine if "the total" remains over 50% un-restored, un-recovered, or unaltered.  To see Chassis examples, please click here.

but really, who gives a shit?  I define a survivor as a car that is OE correct is 95% of its original components.  This criteria is more easily obtained with a car that has 30,000 miles or less due to the fact that most the OE items will most likely still be on the car.  These cars are true survivors.  The 65,000 mile car is most likely "not" to obtain the same OE components.

So..... you say no 29,000 mile requirements... I say I quoted that because I saw it on some corvette site that had validity.   You think you are right.... I dont care if you are right or wrong.  hope this helps.

Wow... Just wow... 

[RD]

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all in all.. this will NOT affect the price of tea in china.. and the term survivor is in the eye of the beholder.  you are no more right than I am because no one has the rights over the definition of the term survivor because it is totally opinion and belief based.  and we all know.. opinions and beliefs are different from person to person.

you forgot that.

[1969chargerrtse]

officially loses its survivor status with a new or different paint job (by definition), and in this case the removal of the 1/2 vinyl top. 

technically, though i believe the number has risen throughout the years due to rarity, survivor cars are only survivors if they have 29,000 miles or less.

good looking charger with low miles and easy to repair to bring to good shape... watching this one

" survivor cars are only survivors if they have 29,000 miles or less. " Says who?.

I like it.  I like any car with hideaways.

[RD]

officially loses its survivor status with a new or different paint job (by definition), and in this case the removal of the 1/2 vinyl top. 

technically, though i believe the number has risen throughout the years due to rarity, survivor cars are only survivors if they have 29,000 miles or less.

good looking charger with low miles and easy to repair to bring to good shape... watching this one

" survivor cars are only survivors if they have 29,000 miles or less. " Says who?.

I like it.  I like any car with hideaways.

ummm... read above.. i wish i could provide you with the website that had that criteria.. the link was provided on this website many years ago.. so I have seen it.  Says who.. not sure who the website author was, but I did see it.  So.. c'est la vie... cant prove it.. and you cant prove that i have not seen it.  so... just let it go.

[Ghoste]

The Corvette crowd has had a written definition for some time now and competing for Bloomington Gold requires adherance to their rules.  I can't comment on the 29,000 mile part because I don't know (or care) about the Vette freaks rules but I do recall hearing more than once that in spite of their long list of rules the Vette guys will allow some enormous amount of repaint (my memory tells me 80% but I'm not sure) and still consider it a survivor.  I like seeing the Mopar Survivors that have been attending some of the larger shows.  Those cars are impressive and largely as they were when new no matter what the mileage.