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Mr. Desperate Mopar Magazine Editor (best thing from moparts... ever!)

Started by RD, October 22, 2010, 04:46:34 PM

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RD

Thanks to CraigRTSE for just being fricken AWESOME!

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=6263289&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

Bud Light Presents, Real Men of Genius
(Real men of genius!)
Here's to you, Mr. Desperate Mopar Magazine Editor.
(Mr. Desperate Mopar Magazine Editor!)
People saying your magazine sucks? No problem. T-shirts for everyone!
(Can't even get my size!)
Content boring, biased writing, ads everywhere, and celebrity wannabees.
(But haaaay I'm a Superstar!!!!)
Gloating when your competition has troubles? That's ok. We expect that from guys with mullets.
(I cut my hair with a flowbee!)
And even while your ship is sinking, you try to take on more passengers.
(Unsiiiinkable Titanic!)
So here's to you, Mr. Desperate Mopar Magazine Editor. Because your class is only as high as that ladder on that pickup truck.
(Mr. Desperate Mopar Magazine Editor!)



talking about rob wolf of mcg of course :D
67 Plymouth Barracuda, 69 Plymouth Barracuda, 73 Charger SE, 75 D100, 80 Sno-Commander

mikesbbody

I didn't like it when he said he was "delighted" to hear M.E Magazine had gone under (or something along those lines) for me its sad news  :'(

Black Charger

MCG used to be my favorite magazine. Now, I am far from being a prude, but after they started stuffing their issues full of ads and practically dedicating an entire issue to the Playboy Mansion show, that is when I lost interest. Now, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a beautiful woman in a tasteful pose with a fine automobile. Dedicating an entire issue to it is a different story. If I wanted a bimbo infested skin show, I would simply buy Playboy, not a car magazine.

greenpigs

  I have said in other posts I collect Mopar magazines(HP Mopar, Mopar Action & Mopar Muscle). The reason I didn't bother with MCG was it was mostly adds & as they found out that isn't what people want to pay for.
1969 Charger RT


Living Chevy free

Ghoste


quapman

MCG is a great reference guide when you're looking for parts or a specific vendor. Then again, you can find all that on the internet, right?

I can't agree more about the wannabe celebrity crap in that rag. I was a loyal subscriber for years until it got to be "Stars' Cars", instead of regular Joes like us. Robbo wants to raise subscription prices so that he can continue the "free concert" at MATS. How many subscribers actually go to that ONE show and give a crap about whoever's playing? 1%? 1/2%? LAME. They also use that cash for rings & trophies for the racers. Again, how many subscribers does that include?

At work, we refer to Rob as "Mullet Man". LMAO

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but is a car magazine the right place for political views? Sure, it's HIS magazine, but WE pay for it. The readers should determine content, not the egotistical editor.

I did try Mopar Muscle for a year, but after eleventeen 440 builds, I puked and said "enough is enough". Whats-his-face's bad grammar and spelling got under my skin, too. On the plus side, the Reader's Rides section is worth 10 Thumbs-Up!

41husk

I realy enjoyed Mopar enthusiast and hate to see them go out of bussiness.
1969 Dodge Charger 500 440/727
1970 Challenger convertible 340/727
1970 Plymouth Duster FM3
1974 Dodge Dart /6/904
1983 Plymouth Scamp GT 2.2 Auto
1950 Dodge Pilot house pick up

ACUDANUT


Tom Q

You are not funny, you got locked on moparts for good reason.  Maybe there is an adult that's a mod who can do the same for us here.

If you whiners think you can a better job holding up a mirror to the "hobby" and writing about it, then you should take $225,000.00-that's not a misprint and buy a spot on the newsstand for that excellent mopar mag that you are about to $#^t out.  That's what it took to get MCG where they are today. If you don't like what the mirror reflects than get out from behind that keyboard and make a difference. You are not doing much here other than verbal diarrhea and patting each other on the back.

Apparently the canned crap we get for tech in the other mag must be the what's keeping your attention.I also can see you all have a good understanding of what it takes to produce a magazine and your english language/grammar  skills are second to none.  

You guys are clueless for sure.


 

resq302

I quit my subscription to MCG a couple of years ago when they started doing all of the celebrity car owners cars and pretty much left the "average Joe" guy out who either had a really nice car or a rare car that was saved from the crusher.  I, too, noticed a tremendous amount of increased advertising but I have to admit, some of them were good and brought some light on new products such as Tony D'Agostino's items, Dave's items at ECS, and even Mike's new parts at BEA body parts.  Im not saying it is a horrible magazine, and yes there are some that are worse and some that are better but I just lost the interest in it since it seemed to change to fit certain people.  I like stock restored cars and they seemed to have very little of that towards the end of my subscription.
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto


Brock Lee

Showing more star cars must be good for their business or they wouldn't be doing it. I subscribe to MCG and admit there are issues I would not have bought off the stand. But over the course of the year they touch on a few topics and show products and vendors that manage to pay for the subscription IMHO. So I keep it active. It is also common to see topics covered in an issue end up as topics on the message boards. So their presence has an impact in places like this as well.

41husk

Quote from: Tom Q on October 23, 2010, 12:00:51 PM
You are not funny, you got locked on moparts for good reason.  Maybe there is an adult that's a mod who can do the same for us here.

If you whiners think you can a better job holding up a mirror to the "hobby" and writing about it, then you should take $225,000.00-that's not a misprint and buy a spot on the newsstand for that excellent mopar mag that you are about to $#^t out.  That's what it took to get MCG where they are today. If you don't like what the mirror reflects than get out from behind that keyboard and make a difference. You are not doing much here other than verbal diarrhea and patting each other on the back.

Apparently the canned crap we get for tech in the other mag must be the what's keeping your attention.I also can see you all have a good understanding of what it takes to produce a magazine and your english language/grammar  skills are second to none. 

You guys are clueless for sure.

Not everyone on here has said negative things about the magazine you seem to be connected with :shruggy:.  None the less you bad mouth everyone on this site "You guys are clueless for sure."  every one has and is in titled to an opinion.  In my opinion this is the best site out there with some of the most knowledgeable people in the hobby.
1969 Dodge Charger 500 440/727
1970 Challenger convertible 340/727
1970 Plymouth Duster FM3
1974 Dodge Dart /6/904
1983 Plymouth Scamp GT 2.2 Auto
1950 Dodge Pilot house pick up

quapman

Gee, Quad, you used to have a sense of humor. Adulthood must be boring.

I suppose you're going to tell Mullet Man all our concerns and comments like you told me you would, right?

How come YOU aren't writing for any of these rags any more?

Lucklily, the mods here actually allow us to have opinions and don't lock the threads when we express those opinions.

RallyeMike

Quotenot funny

Actually, this IS pretty damn funny.

Its interesting that someone who champions an independent and opinionated magazine to say what it wants, then cries for the moderators of this site to shut up everyone with a different opinion.

MCG, as opinionated as it is, isn't for everybody. However, the fact that it still exists is evidence that there are enough people who like it that way to keep the press running.

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RD

Quote from: Tom Q on October 23, 2010, 12:00:51 PM
You are not funny, you got locked on moparts for good reason.  Maybe there is an adult that's a mod who can do the same for us here.

If you whiners think you can a better job holding up a mirror to the "hobby" and writing about it, then you should take $225,000.00-that's not a misprint and buy a spot on the newsstand for that excellent mopar mag that you are about to $#^t out.  That's what it took to get MCG where they are today. If you don't like what the mirror reflects than get out from behind that keyboard and make a difference. You are not doing much here other than verbal diarrhea and patting each other on the back.

Apparently the canned crap we get for tech in the other mag must be the what's keeping your attention.I also can see you all have a good understanding of what it takes to produce a magazine and your english language/grammar  skills are second to none.  

You guys are clueless for sure.


 

i posted the lyrics because i thought they were funny.  i didnt say jack about rob wolf other than to direct to whom the "budweiser'esque" lyrics were written.

good god.. this thread was not meant to bash MCG (some have explained their angst.. and that is their opinion), but to say we (i.e. generalizing) are clueless/whiners is just uncalled for and you should apologize to everyone.

Quote from: Tom Q on October 23, 2010, 12:00:51 PM
You are not funny, you got locked on moparts for good reason.  Maybe there is an adult that's a mod who can do the same for us here

not sure what you are talking about since i didnt post the original one on moparts, but instead linked to the individuals profile who did.  wow... observational skills must be optional.

Quote from: Tom Q on October 23, 2010, 12:00:51 PM
You are not doing much here other than verbal diarrhea and patting each other on the back.

Here I do disagree with you.  Our tech department has much more substantial, real-time feedback that applies directly to mopar enthusiasts.  MCG is monthly, we are by the minute, hour, and day when it comes to tech support.  "WE" (and if the others allow me for speaking for them) do NOT pat each other on the back in regards to helping each other.. we do it because it is the right thing to do.  We do NOT get paid for giving out this information, but do it freely without any expectations of benefit other than mutual comraderie and future friendships.  those two are priceless... running a magazine that does not hold a candle to this site is not priceless if you ask me.

If you think we do not compare to them... then send your tech articles to them and await your 2 month response.  Me, on the other hand will wait my 30 minutes.
67 Plymouth Barracuda, 69 Plymouth Barracuda, 73 Charger SE, 75 D100, 80 Sno-Commander

greenpigs

67 posts in about 2 1/2 years :shruggy: I could care less what you think as your not a TRUE member of this site.
1969 Charger RT


Living Chevy free

41husk

1969 Dodge Charger 500 440/727
1970 Challenger convertible 340/727
1970 Plymouth Duster FM3
1974 Dodge Dart /6/904
1983 Plymouth Scamp GT 2.2 Auto
1950 Dodge Pilot house pick up

wagesofsin

awesome parody!!!
i will miss mopar enthusiast , and am a current subscriber to all the rags. mcg is a bit above board for my financial liking , as far as the selection of feature cars , but then again , i can always just change the channel , or turn the page and find something interesting to peruse.
then again , im just a regular joe ,and wont ever be anybody, in fact they call me nobody , or is it nobody calls me?
i cant remember.   :shruggy:

RD

Quote from: wagesofsin on October 23, 2010, 08:53:40 PM
awesome parody!!!
i will miss mopar enthusiast , and am a current subscriber to all the rags. mcg is a bit above board for my financial liking , as far as the selection of feature cars , but then again , i can always just change the channel , or turn the page and find something interesting to peruse.
then again , im just a regular joe ,and wont ever be anybody, in fact they call me nobody , or is it nobody calls me?
i cant remember.   :shruggy:

lol, welcome to the site
67 Plymouth Barracuda, 69 Plymouth Barracuda, 73 Charger SE, 75 D100, 80 Sno-Commander

quapman

Quote from: greenpigs on October 23, 2010, 07:29:10 PM
67 posts in about 2 1/2 years :shruggy: I could care less what you think as your not a TRUE member of this site.

Can I transfer my post count from that OTHER Charger site I used to go to? LOL  :eyes:

Welcome to DC, wages.

ACUDANUT

Quote from: quapman on October 23, 2010, 05:54:58 PM
Gee, Quad, you used to have a sense of humor. Adulthood must be boring.

I suppose you're going to tell Mullet Man all our concerns and comments like you told me you would, right?

How come YOU aren't writing for any of these rags any more?

Lucklily, the mods here actually allow us to have opinions and don't lock the threads when we express those opinions.
Who's Quad ?

471_Magnum

"I can fix it... my old man is a television repairman... he's got the ultimate set of tools... I can fix it."


71ChallengeHer

Jamie, I thought it was funny as hell.   :cheers: Just needed the pic of him handcuffed behind Shelby's car.   :rofl: :rofl:

RD

Quote from: 71ChallengeHer on October 24, 2010, 09:24:19 PM
Jamie, I thought it was funny as hell.   :cheers: Just needed the pic of him handcuffed behind Shelby's car.   :rofl: :rofl:

bwhahahahahhaa i totally forgot about that episode.... talk about a pic that would put the icing on the cake eh?  thanks for reminding me.. it made me laugh.
67 Plymouth Barracuda, 69 Plymouth Barracuda, 73 Charger SE, 75 D100, 80 Sno-Commander

resq302

yes Jackie, thanks for that.  Amazing how people defend someone who is/once was in cuffs.   Let me guess, Quad, you probably think OJ is still innocent of his charges? :smilielol:
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

71ChallengeHer

No problem.  :cheers:  Bet that pic wasn't printed in the Layson's article in MCG ?  :smilielol: :smilielol:

ACUDANUT

 Yea I think I remember that photo, in his MCG...He knew it would get out, if he didn't....He was in the wrong spot at the wrong time.
BTW, I love the magazine, except they just featured a Ugly Station Wagon that some guy wasted a good 426 Hemi on.
Hey what ever happened to his bid mopar.com and don't forget your Mopar University Degree.  :brickwall:

RallyeMike

Actually, his photo in handcuffs is proudly displayed on the MCG website under the Staff tab.
So I would guess that either it's seen as some type of badge of honor or they themselves see the humor in it.
1969 Charger 500 #232008
1972 Charger, Grand Sport #41
1973 Charger "T/A"

Drive as fast as you want to on a public road! Click here for info: http://www.sscc.us/

Khyron

Quote from: Tom Q on October 23, 2010, 12:00:51 PM
You guys are clueless for sure.

since i didn't say anything and am being insulted, maybe I can help you out by getting this thread locked....

<some political figure of your choice> sux :lol:


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41husk

1969 Dodge Charger 500 440/727
1970 Challenger convertible 340/727
1970 Plymouth Duster FM3
1974 Dodge Dart /6/904
1983 Plymouth Scamp GT 2.2 Auto
1950 Dodge Pilot house pick up

RD

Quote from: Khyron on October 25, 2010, 11:25:17 PM
Quote from: Tom Q on October 23, 2010, 12:00:51 PM
You guys are clueless for sure.

since i didn't say anything and am being insulted, maybe I can help you out by getting this thread locked....

comment deleted

or you could have just not said anything and left this thread w/o the possibility of getting locked.. i would appreciate it if you removed your political comment.
67 Plymouth Barracuda, 69 Plymouth Barracuda, 73 Charger SE, 75 D100, 80 Sno-Commander

Neal_J

I used to subscribe to all the Mopar magazines & I saved every Charger article/photo for over a decade (gotta scan those someday).  A couple of years ago, I realized a couple of things that I didn't like about the magazines:

Mopar Muscle:  Too much content dedicated to newer cars, about which I couldn't care less.

Mopar Enthusiast:  While having great Ehernberger tech, had too much vendor advertising (as also did Mopar Muscle) - for example taking 16 pages for an 8 page article due to ads on every other page.

Mopar Collectors Guide:  The best of the bunch. Had to endure the C-List celebrity cars and enjoyed the Playboy show coverage initially.  But I really hated, and I mean hated, the monthly conspiratorial environmental diabtribe.  Even though I largely agreed with the views expressed, I hated the idea of having this nyperbole and vitriol in a car magazine.

I then decided that I didn't need to pay for content that I didn't want and cancelled all of my subscriptions.  Immediately thereafter, I extended my subscriptions to Hemmings Muscle Cars and Hemmings Collector Cars - the best two car magazines around.  No comparison.  

And life was good.


Khyron

Quote from: RD on October 26, 2010, 05:08:23 PM
or you could have just not said anything and left this thread w/o the possibility of getting locked.. i would appreciate it if you removed your political comment.

Just because I luv ya ;-) I was actually gonna tell him what o go do with himself, since i am included in his general comment.... but i decided humor was the best medicine ;-)


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Quote from: Khyron on October 26, 2010, 11:47:14 PM
Quote from: RD on October 26, 2010, 05:08:23 PM
or you could have just not said anything and left this thread w/o the possibility of getting locked.. i would appreciate it if you removed your political comment.

Just because I luv ya ;-) I was actually gonna tell him what o go do with himself, since i am included in his general comment.... but i decided humor was the best medicine ;-)

ty khryon!!!  you can always tell him in a PM! :D
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rooks

Never read that magazine in question, but I do have something to ask...

What's so bad about it containing celebrities cars? Why is that such a big deal to some?

Did the cars not receive the same kind of article a non-celeb's care would have?

Ghoste


resq302

Rooks, I can give you my view since that is why I quit the subscription.  I did not mind an every now and then article on someone famous owning a mopar.  However, it got to be tiring really fast when all it seemed like for a long time was that they were promoting famous peoples cars.  I, for one, would have liked to seen it where they focussed on the average Joe kinda guy and do articles on that like they used to.  They also used to have good tech articles too.  When I called up and told them to cancel my subscription, they asked why and the snyde/snobbish remark I got from the girl was that "If I wanted to read those kinda articles, then I should get Mopar Enthusiast or Mopar Muscle."
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

Chris G.

Quote from: rooks on October 27, 2010, 11:43:29 PM
What's so bad about it containing celebrities cars? Why is that such a big deal to some?

Did the cars not receive the same kind of article a non-celeb's care would have?

MCG always prided and promoted themselves as the "Grassroots" Mopar magazine. Basically meaning they are a small hardworking magazine that identifies with the blue collar hardworking guy. At least that's the impression I have always gotten. That seems to have changed over the years, as the most common complaint I hear is that it's all musicians and celebrities getting featured these days. The Mopar world isn't that big and that fad will wear out over time and maybe it will go back to what so many liked about the mag back in the day.

It's a pretty simple answer...you like it, subscribe, you don't...move on.




rooks

Quote from: resq302 on October 28, 2010, 08:29:48 AM
Rooks, I can give you my view since that is why I quit the subscription.  I did not mind an every now and then article on someone famous owning a mopar.  However, it got to be tiring really fast when all it seemed like for a long time was that they were promoting famous peoples cars.  I, for one, would have liked to seen it where they focussed on the average Joe kinda guy and do articles on that like they used to.

Fair enough, but I have to ask, how are the articles any different? Do they only talk about the celebs latest album/movie, or did they still trat the article like any other car, and give you the features/history rundown etc?

Despite what we'd all like to believe, half the cars featured in any magazine arn't owned by the average Joe - especially once you get into the upper end high $$$ resto's on rare numbered makes & models. They're owned by millionaires, most of whom have either walked into a Barret-Jackson Auction and bid like crazy after all the hard work has been done - or just dropped off the car at a shop with a blank cheque.

How is that any different than a celebs car?

After all .... isn't the story about the car? I couldn't give a toss who the owner is!

Ghoste

I don't know, the same issue has a 1970 sunroof Hemi Charger in it that doesn't belong to anyone famous, how bad could it be?  :icon_smile_big:

RD

Quote from: rooks on October 28, 2010, 02:39:33 PM
Quote from: resq302 on October 28, 2010, 08:29:48 AM
Rooks, I can give you my view since that is why I quit the subscription.  I did not mind an every now and then article on someone famous owning a mopar.  However, it got to be tiring really fast when all it seemed like for a long time was that they were promoting famous peoples cars.  I, for one, would have liked to seen it where they focussed on the average Joe kinda guy and do articles on that like they used to.

Fair enough, but I have to ask, how are the articles any different? Do they only talk about the celebs latest album/movie, or did they still trat the article like any other car, and give you the features/history rundown etc?

Despite what we'd all like to believe, half the cars featured in any magazine arn't owned by the average Joe - especially once you get into the upper end high $$$ resto's on rare numbered makes & models. They're owned by millionaires, most of whom have either walked into a Barret-Jackson Auction and bid like crazy after all the hard work has been done - or just dropped off the car at a shop with a blank cheque.

How is that any different than a celebs car?

After all .... isn't the story about the car? I couldn't give a toss who the owner is!

got some great points there russ.  i did subscribe at one time, let it lapse.  the reason being.. i thought MM, ME, and MA were all better.  i just thought the CraigRTSE's version of the budweiser commercial was funny is all.. i dont give a shit about rob wolf or any magazine editor to be honest.
67 Plymouth Barracuda, 69 Plymouth Barracuda, 73 Charger SE, 75 D100, 80 Sno-Commander

TheAutoArchaeologist

I gotta say, I wrote the entire MCG feature last month on the MoPowered Tour, I drove with Rob Wolf for 4 days this year, and hung out with him and his crew at multiple events for many years.  He's just trying to do what he thinks is best.  Him and his crew are some of the nicest people you will meet.  Look at the MoPowered Tour issue, we did features on an original 66 Hemi Belvidere owned by a local on the tour, my 17 year old friend who built a 69 A12 Super Bee and the Frankencuda.  It covers it all in time.

I like the celebrity stuff, it is cool to see that they appreciate Mopars like we do and to see what they do with their Mopars.

Too each their own, for all those that complain, there are 1000's that do like it.  Otherwise they wouldn't be in business.

TK73

Quote from: Neal_J on October 26, 2010, 07:29:50 PM

" But I really hated, and I mean hated, the monthly conspiratorial environmental diatribe. "

Exactly why I quit my subscription 6 or 7 years ago. Only touched one issue since.

Unlike Neal, I completely disagree with their view of environmental issues.

If I want politics I'll go in search of that, don't put it in a car magazine.  Give me pistons and paint, not politicial prejudice.
1973 Charger : 440cid - 727 - 8.75/3.55


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      a liberal, oh fanatical, criminal.
Won't you sign up your name, we'd like to feel you're
      acceptable, respectable, oh presentable, a vegetable!

Ghoste

See for me, that is the first thing I read every month.  The politics and the environmental legislators have a very real effect on the hobby.

ACUDANUT

 I love MCG (brownie points)....Rob Wolf....I would now like a free lifetime subscription and an acticle on my Mopars....I am here for you man.

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Topher

I must say that from a vendor-ish standpoint MCG is a good source to get in touch with Friends that need our parts and services. I've been advertising in the Charger section for my headlight motor rebuilding for a few years and have had people contact me. I even had one guy text me to order some parts-I thought that was cool. I enjoy reading the articles, even the political stuff-the way I see that is we all need to know what's going on behind the closed doors of OUR congress. I don't have time to research that stuff. I don't really care who owns the cars either.  :Twocents:

As for the original post: Here's My salute to YOU, Mr. Desperate Mopar Magazine Editor  :rofl: That's funny!
Topher

67 Charger 383-4spd "the Dawg"

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bill440rt

I've been a subscriber with MCG (along with other Mopar mags), for at least 20 years running. Some issues I might have passed up on the newsstand, & in others I might not have agreed with some of the editorial/political content. That is to be expected. I could have done without an entire issue dedicated to the Power Tour, I think that caters to a very small segment.
However, I do feel that I have at least learned something valuable to the hobby in nearly every issue. I enjoy reading about the new parts that are available, the ultra-rare or 1-off feature cars, and absolutely the for sale & wanted ads. Most of the time, I don't go scrolling the 'net looking for parts or spending countless hours searching websites. I merely pick up a copy of MCG. I find it's much faster way of finding that parts supplier I'm looking for.

:Twocents:
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