Since I am on the McDonalds kick as of lately...

[Ponch ®]

Yes and no. If/when you have kids you'll probably understand better what I'm about to say but as a parent you really get tired of constantly having to make sure your kids are deprogrammed from the constant pecking of alternate moralities they're taught in school, advertising and society in general. And the homosexual agenda is much more morally ascerbic than the other stuff parents have to deal with because of the sexual element involved. Not only are they teaching society a certain type of morality that's often at odds with what many parents believe there's the sexual overtones, so it's doubly offensive. I think my wife and I do a good job but it wears you down. It's like having to paint your fence twice a week to cover up graffiti. Sure you do a good job each time you paint it but damn you get tired of doing it over and over.

Im not a parent, so I agree that my perspective is different. I can see where you're coming from about the stuff that kids are being taught in school and in society - everything from politics to environmentalism to morality etc. But I think the gay/homosexual angle is entirely different. Just because like I keep saying, I don't care how persuasive the arguments are, but you won't be able to convince a straight teenage kid to go gay. It just doesn't happen, unless he already had latent gay tendencies to begin with.  And at that point he doesn't need anyone to tell him to "go gay"...he'll probably do it on his own anyway.

[jdiesel33]

Yes and no. If/when you have kids you'll probably understand better what I'm about to say but as a parent you really get tired of constantly having to make sure your kids are deprogrammed from the constant pecking of alternate moralities they're taught in school, advertising and society in general. And the homosexual agenda is much more morally ascerbic than the other stuff parents have to deal with because of the sexual element involved. Not only are they teaching society a certain type of morality that's often at odds with what many parents believe there's the sexual overtones, so it's doubly offensive. I think my wife and I do a good job but it wears you down. It's like having to paint your fence twice a week to cover up graffiti. Sure you do a good job each time you paint it but damn you get tired of doing it over and over.

Im not a parent, so I agree that my perspective is different. I can see where you're coming from about the stuff that kids are being taught in school and in society - everything from politics to environmentalism to morality etc. But I think the gay/homosexual angle is entirely different. Just because like I keep saying, I don't care how persuasive the arguments are, but you won't be able to convince a straight teenage kid to go gay. It just doesn't happen, unless he already had latent gay tendencies to begin with.  And at that point he doesn't need anyone to tell him to "go gay"...he'll probably do it on his own anyway.

Agreed. The argument has been out there for years - Are people born gay or do they choose to be gay. I certainly dont know the answer for sure and am not an expert on the topic, but just from a logical perspective, why would anyone choose to be gay if they had an option? It immediately and automatically makes your life 100% more difficult and complicated with everything from society to your family to laws, etc.. I mean if you are a dude and you cant get it up for a girl, that isnt your choice is it? Do some people choose to "experiment" with the same gender just to see what it is like, most likely, but I dont think you could classify those folks as gay.

[Ponch ®]

No, just saying that it is curious how people pick and choose things from the Bible or whatever belief system to fit their needs. The Bible states that Drunkards, homosexuals, adulterers, thieves, know it alls, etc., will not go to Heaven, but a lot people, especially those who fall into one or more of those groups, will speak out against, ridicule, or harass those that fall into another one of those groups.  Out of all of those, the homosexual one is ALWAYS at the forefront for some reason. Most people ignore the rest. That has just always seemed a little odd to me.

Don't forget about men w/ long hair, eating lobster and crab, getting a tattoo, shaving your head, and having a bacon wrapped hot dog are also all abominations . Oh, BTW, if your kid talks back to you, its perfectly ok to kill him/her.

[mikepmcs]

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GMZjkNW5b8

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[jdiesel33]

No, just saying that it is curious how people pick and choose things from the Bible or whatever belief system to fit their needs. The Bible states that Drunkards, homosexuals, adulterers, thieves, know it alls, etc., will not go to Heaven, but a lot people, especially those who fall into one or more of those groups, will speak out against, ridicule, or harass those that fall into another one of those groups.  Out of all of those, the homosexual one is ALWAYS at the forefront for some reason. Most people ignore the rest. That has just always seemed a little odd to me.

Don't forget about men w/ long hair, eating lobster and crab, getting a tattoo, shaving your head, and having a bacon wrapped hot dog are also all abominations . Oh, BTW, if your kid talks back to you, its perfectly ok to kill him/her.

Yep. All of that is in there too. Plus a few other really outlandish ones that I cant think of right now.

[bull]

No, just saying that it is curious how people pick and choose things from the Bible or whatever belief system to fit their needs. The Bible states that Drunkards, homosexuals, adulterers, thieves, know it alls, etc., will not go to Heaven, but a lot people, especially those who fall into one or more of those groups, will speak out against, ridicule, or harass those that fall into another one of those groups.  Out of all of those, the homosexual one is ALWAYS at the forefront for some reason. Most people ignore the rest. That has just always seemed a little odd to me.

It is odd, and it's wrong. However, because certain people do one thing wrong and claim innocence does not make it right for others to point to them as an excuse to do as they wish. In other words, two wrongs don't make a right.

[jdiesel33]

No, just saying that it is curious how people pick and choose things from the Bible or whatever belief system to fit their needs. The Bible states that Drunkards, homosexuals, adulterers, thieves, know it alls, etc., will not go to Heaven, but a lot people, especially those who fall into one or more of those groups, will speak out against, ridicule, or harass those that fall into another one of those groups.  Out of all of those, the homosexual one is ALWAYS at the forefront for some reason. Most people ignore the rest. That has just always seemed a little odd to me.

It is odd, and it's wrong. However, because certain people do one thing wrong and claim innocence does not make it right for others to point to them as an excuse to do as they wish. In other words, two wrongs don't make a right.

True words. Unfortunately, lots of people dont think that way.

[bull]

Yes and no. If/when you have kids you'll probably understand better what I'm about to say but as a parent you really get tired of constantly having to make sure your kids are deprogrammed from the constant pecking of alternate moralities they're taught in school, advertising and society in general. And the homosexual agenda is much more morally ascerbic than the other stuff parents have to deal with because of the sexual element involved. Not only are they teaching society a certain type of morality that's often at odds with what many parents believe there's the sexual overtones, so it's doubly offensive. I think my wife and I do a good job but it wears you down. It's like having to paint your fence twice a week to cover up graffiti. Sure you do a good job each time you paint it but damn you get tired of doing it over and over.

Im not a parent, so I agree that my perspective is different. I can see where you're coming from about the stuff that kids are being taught in school and in society - everything from politics to environmentalism to morality etc. But I think the gay/homosexual angle is entirely different. Just because like I keep saying, I don't care how persuasive the arguments are, but you won't be able to convince a straight teenage kid to go gay. It just doesn't happen, unless he already had latent gay tendencies to begin with.  And at that point he doesn't need anyone to tell him to "go gay"...he'll probably do it on his own anyway.

I agree with that for the most part but I don't believe people are born gay so there is an element of persuasion in their agenda. But let's just say there isn't for the sake of argument, why then does the homosexual community harp on the issue constantly? It's because they want acceptance for their behavior and they're never going to get it to the extent they want. If they would just shut their mouths and live their lives there probably wouldn't be a problem but they seem to think getting in everyone's face with their sexuality helps their cause. IMO all it does is create more controversy and political adversity.

[bull]

No, just saying that it is curious how people pick and choose things from the Bible or whatever belief system to fit their needs. The Bible states that Drunkards, homosexuals, adulterers, thieves, know it alls, etc., will not go to Heaven, but a lot people, especially those who fall into one or more of those groups, will speak out against, ridicule, or harass those that fall into another one of those groups.  Out of all of those, the homosexual one is ALWAYS at the forefront for some reason. Most people ignore the rest. That has just always seemed a little odd to me.

Don't forget about men w/ long hair, eating lobster and crab, getting a tattoo, shaving your head, and having a bacon wrapped hot dog are also all abominations . Oh, BTW, if your kid talks back to you, its perfectly ok to kill him/her.

I'd go into an explanation between the difference in Old Testament law and New Testament grace but it would just turn into a big CF here. Suffice to say, the New Testament does rehash the homosexual issue and other biggies but drops the "micromanagement" type issues some people love to drag out during these debates.

That said, my hair is short and I have no tattoos, I don't eat bacon wrapped hot dogs, etc.

[Tilar]

Yes and no. If/when you have kids you'll probably understand better what I'm about to say but as a parent you really get tired of constantly having to make sure your kids are deprogrammed from the constant pecking of alternate moralities they're taught in school, advertising and society in general. And the homosexual agenda is much more morally ascerbic than the other stuff parents have to deal with because of the sexual element involved. Not only are they teaching society a certain type of morality that's often at odds with what many parents believe there's the sexual overtones, so it's doubly offensive. I think my wife and I do a good job but it wears you down. It's like having to paint your fence twice a week to cover up graffiti. Sure you do a good job each time you paint it but damn you get tired of doing it over and over.

And that doesn't even start to cover the political crap that teachers do trying to take advantage of the "teaching" situation. I do work at the local middle/high school as a bus mechanic. I also drive bus as a sub driver. During the 2008 election, I've heard 10 year old kids ridicule other kids because they heard their parents say they were going to vote for McCain. These 10 year olds would say things like "You don't like obama because he's black". Me being the silent type that I am  would ask why they would say something like that, only to hear the reply "Mrs. Soandso said it."

[Ponch ®]

I agree with that for the most part but I don't believe people are born gay so there is an element of persuasion in their agenda. But let's just say there isn't for the sake of argument, why then does the homosexual community harp on the issue constantly? It's because they want acceptance for their behavior and they're never going to get it to the extent they want. If they would just shut their mouths and live their lives there probably wouldn't be a problem but they seem to think getting in everyone's face with their sexuality helps their cause. IMO all it does is create more controversy and political adversity.

I think it's both - some are born, some are made, but I'd say more often than not its the former. The only thing that makes me question both claims are the cases of guys that have always been with women, and are married with kids, yet are miserable and then one day realize that theyre gay (so I'm not talking about guys who know theyre gay but try to hide it and pretend theyre straight). If they were born that way, why weren't they gay all along? On the other hand, if they were "made" gay...at what point did that happen, if they've otherwise always been straight up until that point?

As for why the gay community harps on the issue, I don't get it either. I personally think that what they do with each other is their business and doesn't affect me. As far as I'm concerned if they want to be in the military openly or get married, so be it. And they have a right to bring attention to their causes. But I can see why it doesn't help their cause if they show up at a demonstration dressed up in full military garb and start making out w/ each other for the cameras or if they stage 'mock' weddings where one dude is dressed like a priest and the other like a nun. All that does is piss off the very people whose acceptance theyre trying to gain.

[bull]

And that doesn't even start to cover the political crap that teachers do trying to take advantage of the "teaching" situation. I do work at the local middle/high school as a bus mechanic. I also drive bus as a sub driver. During the 2008 election, I've heard 10 year old kids ridicule other kids because they heard their parents say they were going to vote for McCain. These 10 year olds would say things like "You don't like obama because he's black". Me being the silent type that I am   would ask why they would say something like that, only to hear the reply "Mrs. Soandso said it."

You are so right. My kids had to endure lots of ridicule during the 08 election to the point where they finally just had to refuse to talk about it. Why should a 10-year-old kid have to get crap about who his parents are going to vote for? Unless the parents agree with everything the teachers teach, or at least never speak up about it, they and their children can be labeled as extremists or racists. Where's the tolerance in that?

[Tilar]

On the other hand, if they were "made" gay...at what point did that happen, if they've otherwise always been straight up until that point?

Probably somewhere between the 4th and 5th ex wife. 

And they have a right to bring attention to their causes.

Where did they aquire that right? I don't give two 's about their cause.

[Tilar]

Where's the tolerance in that?

Tolerance and racism is a one way street.

[PocketThunder]

Supporters came to my door one day asking me to put the "equal" sticker on my car in support for the GLBT community.  I declined and told them that they can do whatever they want in their own privacy and I don't need to support it.  They asked why I wouldn't do it and I told them that all that sticker means to me is recruiting on their part.  They say they want you to support them but not be them.  Or at least think that you are supporting them but not being them, or wait, am I them, I don't think so, well maybe I am, now I don't know....  Then bam, they have one more person who isn't sure and could cross over thus making their dating pool bigger.  They just want more people in the bar to look at and hit on just like I wanted more women in the bar to hit on back in my dating days.

[bull]

I'm the most supportive of the people who stay out of my face with their stupid agendas.

[Darkman]

What next?

Islamic extremists throwing Big Macs at each other like grenades? Or a heap of wraps strapped to them like explosives? Or 72 Virgins delivering a pizza box that's ticking, just to appeal to that group??

Honestly, the "gay" community has taken it too far. For example, in Australia we have penguins called "Fairy penguins", the gay community now want their name changed to "little penguins" as the name fairy offends them. Also classic folk songs that we used to sing in school as kids are now being changed because they use the word "gay" in it (gay being the meaning for "Happy" not homosexual). I have a friend who is gay, but leaves his business in the bedroom (he is "out of the closet" and openly gay) and doesn't make it obvious of what his sexuality is. If you met him, you would not pick it. I am not a homophobe, but just do not agree that it needs to be advertised everywhere and pushed into the face of those that do not want anything to do with it. If it was "natural" then, like frogs, we would be able to change physically in order to breed! Whether it is in the bible or not, whether you believe in God or not, it is not the way nature intended things to be!

However, if 2 swimsuit models were shown rubbing Bic Mac sauce onto each other, would that be different? 

[nh_mopar_fan]

It would seem to me that if you're trying to sell food to people, your commercial should be about how tasty your food is.

Oh, wait, we're talking about McDonalds.

I guess I can see why they make commercials like this afterall.

[ChgrSteve67]

However, if 2 swimsuit models were shown rubbing Bic Mac sauce onto each other,

Now I'm hungry.

[rattlehead_74]

Ronald McDonald is gonna break out a can of  Mc-WHOOP ASS on these people! Now their calling his best buds Grim-ass and Turd-burglar!