Further to the topic of the XP Hemi

[Ghoste]

I put this into a new topic because I think it is broader than the car in question.  What I am wondering is this; allowing as to how far gone the XP Hemi was and knowing the work that will go into bringing it back, is it just going to be a rebody now?
If it is a rebody I am left with a few troubles on my mind.  I have often been an outspoken critic of the idea of rebodying.  Truthfully I have always felt that a rebody is just a clone or recreation with a valid VIN number swapped over.  Hypocritically I have also been pretty outspoken about the idea of saving this car exactly as it was.  Is it a restoration, is it a restomod, is it a clone?
I remember well the controversy in the DOH camp regarding the GL1 car.
This one could cause me to lose sleep.

[thedodgeboys]

I mean no disrespect and I do admire all the purist with original and recreated correct numbers matching cars and we need them to survive as examples as to what and how they were built.  Sadly they all can not be saved and I believe its too late for this one. 

However we can enjoy it for what it is 

[RD]

wth is the XP Hemi?

[Brock Samson]

the turbine bronze '69 used for the brochures with all the '68 stuff.

[bmoparmofo]

Someone found the xp hemi car?      Apparently I missed something...

[tan top]

good  point Ghoste   but
to me thats no rebody !!  as its still some of the original car !! rebody  is if you could get a   NOS  body shell  ,  or  buy a complete  XP charger & strip it & just use the body   then rebody  

Someone found the xp hemi car?      Apparently I missed something...

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,72866.75/topicseen.html

[Chris G.]

the turbine bronze '69 used for the brochures with all the '68 stuff.

It's not the brochure car.

[bmoparmofo]

good  point Ghoste   but
to me thats no rebody !!  as its still some of the original car !! rebody  is if you could get a   NOS  body shell  ,  or  buy a complete  XP charger & strip it & just use the body   then rebody  

Someone found the xp hemi car?      Apparently I missed something...

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,72866.75/topicseen.html

Thanks! 

[Chris G.]

good  point Ghoste   but
to me thats no rebody !!  as its still some of the original car !!

What is being saved from this car?

Don't worry folks, this car will magically be reunited with it's original fender tag and broadcast sheet. There will also be some old timer who worked at Chrysler and remembers being at the photo shoot for the brochure. MCG will confirm all this in their sensationalized write up about it. You can pretty much bank on all these things happening. I'm actually surprised they revealed so much about the car on this forum.

[tan top]

good  point Ghoste   but
to me thats no rebody !!  as its still some of the original car !!

What is being saved from this car?

Don't worry folks, this car will magically be reunited with it's original fender tag and broadcast sheet. There will also be some old timer who worked at Chrysler and remembers being at the photo shoot for the brochure. MCG will confirm all this in their sensationalized write up about it. You can pretty much bank on all these things happening. I'm actually surprised they revealed so much about the car on this forum.

oh right !! so there is not !! was under the impression that some of it was  the original body shell

[C_stripes]

I read that the sequence number fits somewhere in the October range? If that is true, there is no way it was a press car at all. I know the 70 Road Runner ad car very well and can tell you that that car was built in mid June of 69. I would assume the same would be for the 69 press cars that they would be built in mid June of 68. Also, the sequence number on the ad car is very low, 100023. The projected build date was 801. So I am going to jump on the not the press car wagon.

We once parted out a 71 "I" code B-cuda. Don't know how an "I" got on the vin tag, but typos did happen.

[Ghoste]

But we're getting away from the historical rebody thing.  If we assume the car is as bad as some have been saying, then it's safe to say little to nothing will be left from the original car.  Is this okay?  Is it comparable to Lee1?

[DAY CLONA]

But we're getting away from the historical rebody thing.  If we assume the car is as bad as some have been saying, then it's safe to say little to nothing will be left from the original car.  Is this okay?  Is it comparable to Lee1?

Dude, if this is what keeps you up at night, tossing and turning,....I could only imagine if you set foot out in the real world and saw the issuses that others have just surviving from day to day.....geez, it just a hunk of metal, get over it.....

[elacruze]

But we're getting away from the historical rebody thing.  If we assume the car is as bad as some have been saying, then it's safe to say little to nothing will be left from the original car.  Is this okay?  Is it comparable to Lee1?

Dude, if this is what keeps you up at night, tossing and turning,....I could only imagine if you set foot out in the real world and saw the issuses that others have just surviving from day to day.....geez, it just a hunk of metal, get over it.....

It's not the metal, it's the method.
Many could benefit from as much consideration of moral and ethical issues.
The search for truth is never a waste of time.

[Brock Samson]

I thought there was one turbine bronze XP Hemi Charger as photographed in the pitchers, white top '68 dash, sorry if I was incorrect and caused any confusion...

[FlatbackFanatic]

If they make the parts to rebuild it, why not. If you got the money to do it, why not? Any Charger saved is a Charger saved. Just my 

[Ghoste]

But we're getting away from the historical rebody thing.  If we assume the car is as bad as some have been saying, then it's safe to say little to nothing will be left from the original car.  Is this okay?  Is it comparable to Lee1?

Dude, if this is what keeps you up at night, tossing and turning,....I could only imagine if you set foot out in the real world and saw the issuses that others have just surviving from day to day.....geez, it just a hunk of metal, get over it.....

It's a figure of speech dude, and I spend the majority of my time in the real world.  I spend some of my time here to get away from it and relax a little bit.  Geez I'm well aware that it's a chunk of metal.  What did you think, I was going to blow my brains out because someone was hacking up a rare old car?

[ccr-host]

good  point Ghoste   but
to me thats no rebody !!  as its still some of the original car !!

What is being saved from this car?

Don't worry folks, this car will magically be reunited with it's original fender tag and broadcast sheet. There will also be some old timer who worked at Chrysler and remembers being at the photo shoot for the brochure. MCG will confirm all this in their sensationalized write up about it. You can pretty much bank on all these things happening. I'm actually surprised they revealed so much about the car on this forum.

Chris,

I can assure you, there will be no fender tag magically appearing. There will be no broadcast sheet found in some dusty archive. Galin Govier has confirmed these things are lost. AND there will be no "old timer" who worked at Chrysler who also attended the photo shoot appearing on our show. We leave those games to Discovery Channel shows  . What you'll see is our honest, best effort to rebuild this great car. It will be an interesting journey without resorting to tricks. I hope you'll enjoy it.

Our motto is: "Real Television not Reality TV. It's Real cars, Real techs, Real cars, with Real deadlines."

[C_stripes]

CCR,

I would assume that the reason some people speculate that that could happen is that it has happened all to often in the "HOBBY". Either way, the car is a cool car. Seeing that it is supposedly the only XP29J car known to exist, I do find it a bit of a shame to build it anyway other than stock. Trust me, I am not a purist. But when a car has significance like that one is supposed to, it is more of a museum piece. Other than the cars that have major historical value, I say enjoy it and build it how you want. Either way, the car is yours to choose how to build. The other thing is, is if it is really sequenced to have been built in or around the third month of production. There is no way that it was the promo car. Even the early built promo cars all had sequence numbers. Other numbers may have been left out for a short time. Example is the 70 Runner ad car. The fender tag says E87 but the vin number on the fender tag has no V almost as if they didn't know what letter they would use. But it did have a full sequence number. It really is sad that the fender tag wasn't there, I would have liked to see it (as would everyone else).

Anyway, good luck on the build. I would love to see some more as found pics if you have any.

Later, Jeremy

[The70RT]

I guess it will retain just as much original sheet metal a certain other hemi car resto on here and everyone excepted it  

[ccr-host]

Folks,

There is a lot of speculation over what this car is or is not. Is it a promo car? The brochure car? A VIN typo? A replica of the promo car, etc? It could also have been built to the brochure specs for event touring too. IF there were definitive proof of its pedigree, then it would be a museum car. But, there is none. No fender tag. No broadcast sheet. It would be sad to see this car lost to decay. But, it would be sad to also treat it as something unique if it's merely a typo. It's all speculative... but all very intriguing too.  As I noted on the other thread; the mild upgrades we are doing can all be reversed if positive proof is ever uncovered. Until then, we're gonna have one great performing Charger!

The big question is: How will it perform on the track against the C6 Corvette?

[Chris G.]

Chris,
I can assure you, there will be no fender tag magically appearing. There will be no broadcast sheet found in some dusty archive. Galin Govier has confirmed these things are lost. AND there will be no "old timer" who worked at Chrysler who also attended the photo shoot appearing on our show. We leave those games to Discovery Channel shows  . What you'll see is our honest, best effort to rebuild this great car. It will be an interesting journey without resorting to tricks. I hope you'll enjoy it.

CCR Host, my comments weren't directed towards you, but rather the owner of the car.

When you say Galin (BTW it's Galen) has confirmed the tag and sheet are lost, does that means they are gone forever? I don't understand why people still think of him as the "Bible" of everything Mopar related. There are so many people out there who know so much about Mopar history and don't even charge to tell, but the mis-informed still pay GG to show up and make claims that aren't 100% accurate. I am amazed his name still carries the same clout it did when the boom hit 8 years ago.

[UFO]

we're gonna have one great performing Charger!

The big question is: How will it perform on the track against the C6 Corvette?

I see Ray Barton is on the credits.
I assume they are building the hemi, correct?
What mods are gonna be done to the vette?
Straight line will be a good race,depending on susp mods the charger might not do so good around corner's.
Those 40 years of suspension technology will help the vette.
Your probably gonna make us wait and watch aren't you.

[ccr-host]

we're gonna have one great performing Charger!

The big question is: How will it perform on the track against the C6 Corvette?

I see Ray Barton is on the credits.
I assume they are building the hemi, correct?
What mods are gonna be done to the vette?
Straight line will be a good race,depending on susp mods the charger might not do so good around corner's.
Those 40 years of suspension technology will help the vette.
Your probably gonna make us wait and watch aren't you.

Yes, the Vette is going to be a killer. Phadt suspension and an Edelbrock Supercharger are the big changes. But, it's also loaded with audio and we're racing in a straight line. The Charger has Bill Reilly's "Lynx" rear suspension a Ray Barton built engine (that's all I'll say) Keislers new transmission, a Dana 60, drag slicks, and Dave Barton behind the wheel. Yes, I will make you wait to see it on TV before I give any results. But, I'd love to read the speculation!

[charge69]

Well,  the vette is already a low 12 second car and with the stated improvements, it  should be an eleven second car easily.  The Charger is a much bigger and heavier car but, do not discount it at all.  I'll say the "OLD-School" Charger is the winner in a straight line. No need for the Dana though as it just adds about 100 lbs. to the equation and an 8 3/4 is plenty. That is even with the stick tranny.

[Chad L. Magee]

Is this Howie's (from New Jersey) old hemi Charger?  He used to run ads in the back of MCG looking for rare Mopars back in the mid-90s, so I would contact him about oddball stuff.  I knew at that time he had purchased the 69 XP hemi Charger and was looking for its hemi engine.  Wasn't it the first production 1969 Charger with a vin of XP29J9G100001 or so ?(I may be off on the plant code, but I remember the last six quite well from a photo of the car with the vin painted on the sides)  About six or seven years ago, I found the second production Charger (an 440 auto RT/SE down in Texas) for him on ebay and he bought it.  I wanted it to become a matched set for his collection/museum he was planning.....

[tan top]

this is intresting stuff Chad  thanks for sharing the info 

[RD]

Dude, if this is what keeps you up at night, tossing and turning,....I could only imagine if you set foot out in the real world and saw the issuses that others have just surviving from day to day.....geez, it just a hunk of metal, get over it.....

WERE YOU NOT BANNED FROM THIS SITE?  IS THIS WHY YOU NOW SPELL YOUR USERNAME "DAY CLONA" INSTEAD OF "DAYCLONA".

AND WERE YOU NOT BANNED FOR  YOUR SAME SHITTY ATTITUDE THAT YOU ARE DISPLAYING NOW?

[Chris G.]

Is this Howie's (from New Jersey) old hemi Charger?  He used to run ads in the back of MCG looking for rare Mopars back in the mid-90s, so I would contact him about oddball stuff.  I knew at that time he had purchased the 69 XP hemi Charger and was looking for its hemi engine.  Wasn't it the first production 1969 Charger with a vin of XP29J9G100001 or so ?(I may be off on the plant code, but I remember the last six quite well from a photo of the car with the vin painted on the sides)  About six or seven years ago, I found the second production Charger (an 440 auto RT/SE down in Texas) for him on ebay and he bought it.  I wanted it to become a matched set for his collection/museum he was planning.....

Chad, that was a '70, and that second car you mention is also a '70. I think the car is in Texas now.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Chris,
I can assure you, there will be no fender tag magically appearing. There will be no broadcast sheet found in some dusty archive. Galin Govier has confirmed these things are lost. AND there will be no "old timer" who worked at Chrysler who also attended the photo shoot appearing on our show. We leave those games to Discovery Channel shows  . What you'll see is our honest, best effort to rebuild this great car. It will be an interesting journey without resorting to tricks. I hope you'll enjoy it.

CCR Host, my comments weren't directed towards you, but rather the owner of the car.

When you say Galin (BTW it's Galen) has confirmed the tag and sheet are lost, does that means they are gone forever? I don't understand why people still think of him as the "Bible" of everything Mopar related. There are so many people out there who know so much about Mopar history and don't even charge to tell, but the mis-informed still pay GG to show up and make claims that aren't 100% accurate. I am amazed his name still carries the same clout it did when the boom hit 8 years ago.

Well that was very well said...
Shafi contacted me first about the car....while I cant say I know a lot about the history of the car(s) I can say I didnt charge him for the help I gave!  

[Chad L. Magee]

Is this Howie's (from New Jersey) old hemi Charger?  He used to run ads in the back of MCG looking for rare Mopars back in the mid-90s, so I would contact him about oddball stuff.  I knew at that time he had purchased the 69 XP hemi Charger and was looking for its hemi engine.  Wasn't it the first production 1969 Charger with a vin of XP29J9G100001 or so ?(I may be off on the plant code, but I remember the last six quite well from a photo of the car with the vin painted on the sides)  About six or seven years ago, I found the second production Charger (an 440 auto RT/SE down in Texas) for him on ebay and he bought it.  I wanted it to become a matched set for his collection/museum he was planning.....

Chad, that was a '70, and that second car you mention is also a '70. I think the car is in Texas now.

Opps, I was totally wrong on the topic.  Thanks for correcting me (I should have remembered that it was a 1970 version, now I feel stupid!)  Howie's was XP29J0G100001, a 1970 version of what this topic was talking about.  The RTSE I found for him was XS29U0G100002 with a 440-4bbl. column auto, I remember the color to be copper and tan with many options.  That one came from Texas......