1969 Daytona

[Ghoste]

So is this vehicle a 500 converted to a Daytona or a charger with a 500 tag on it? I hope it is a real 500 as if not and he ever sells I can see problems.

What it is, is a fraudulent recreation coming soon to an auction near you IMO.

This is why buying a car in an envelope is illegal.  This isn't even a recreation or a rebody or a clone.  It's an exisitng VIN (number only) with a car being created around it to reflect the builder's taste.  If he were to keep it forever and then crush it when he tires of it then I'd say it's okay but let's have a show of hands for how many think that will happen.

[Roger 68 charger]

 

[moparstuart]

So is this vehicle a 500 converted to a Daytona or a charger with a 500 tag on it? I hope it is a real 500 as if not and he ever sells I can see problems.

"The numbers are actually from a 500, the tags were sold by themselves on eBay a few years ago and bought by a local enthusiast"

"The VIN plate itself is probably a repro"

what a mess   

[hemi68charger]

So is this vehicle a 500 converted to a Daytona or a charger with a 500 tag on it? I hope it is a real 500 as if not and he ever sells I can see problems.

That car is as close to an aerocar as a regular 318 69 Dodge Charger. This is probably the reason the wind deflectors are missing, the car never had them (along with a rear plug)............ That's my guess...........  I doubt that car is the black C500 Dave's referring to in which the VIN corresponds to.

Just my  2 cents worth

[Ghoste]

They freely admit they bought the VIN off ebay.

[hemigeno]

If the VIN tag is a repop and no fender tag is present, what was actually bought on eBay by the "local enthusaist"?

[moparstuart]

If the VIN tag is a repop and no fender tag is present, what was actually bought on eBay by the "local enthusaist"?

TITLE AND A REPO TAG ??

[nascarxx29]

What became of the rest of the car and its parts

[UFO]

If the VIN tag is a repop and no fender tag is present, what was actually bought on eBay by the "local enthusaist"?

From ebay

[hemi68charger]

If the VIN tag is a repop and no fender tag is present, what was actually bought on eBay by the "local enthusaist"?

From ebay

What a shame.... black on black.. Bet it had a red stripe............ 3.55 car too..............

[Arnie Cunningham]

So is this vehicle a 500 converted to a Daytona or a charger with a 500 tag on it? I hope it is a real 500 as if not and he ever sells I can see problems.

What it is, is a fraudulent recreation coming soon to an auction near you IMO.

This is why buying a car in an envelope is illegal.  This isn't even a recreation or a rebody or a clone.  It's an exisitng VIN (number only) with a car being created around it to reflect the builder's taste.  If he were to keep it forever and then crush it when he tires of it then I'd say it's okay but let's have a show of hands for how many think that will happen.

Should this be illegal?  Probably.  Is it illegal - that is another question with an answer that varies by State and Country.  Most of the laws you are thinking of concerning the legality of selling numbers only apply to vehicles less than 10 years old.  The way to prevent situations like this from becoming fraudulent misrepresentations in the future is through documentation and education - exactly what is happening here on sites like this one.  More laws will only lead to more lawyers and more lawsuits.

If we really want to document a car's condition, we should start a unique thread for each of the 3000 Aero cars.  The title line would be something like: "Superbird U0A169492 Manual EV2 Black Bucket ..........." (my car)
Then individual posts with photos and data could be added by anyone with knowledge of the car.  This documentation would serve as a permanent record of the cars that have been destroyed and the state of those that have survived.  By utilizing the exact same format in the title line, one could search for a specific car.

Input anyone?

Brennan R. Cook

[UFO]

There is a listing available to those who wish to use it.
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/found.shtml

[nascarxx29]

These type of aero cars of destruction with past historys should be documented as well as any others .Is Barrys site keeping track on the aero cars .I didnt see my totaled and parted out by me superbird RM23VOA179697 and nothing came up on the vin search.

[UFO]

I didnt see my totaled and parted out by me superbird RM23VOA179697 and nothing came up on the vin search.

If no one gave that info to him,then it wont show up.

[pettybird]

Hello guys, I'm new to this forum, but have been lurking for quite a while...

I'll post more Quebec stuff later on, I'm still looking for news on the Superbird I owned in the early 80's...

Welcome, despite the reception! 

I have a Daytona from Montreal--XX29L9B414641.  It's a basket case and then some.  Know any history about it?

[Ghoste]

I'm not a lawyer so I can't deny what you're saying Brennan but this is the first time I have ever heard anyone say that it isn't illegal to remove the VIN from one vehicle and place it onto a different one.

[nascarxx29]

Hello guys, I'm new to this forum, but have been lurking for quite a while...

I'll post more Quebec stuff later on, I'm still looking for news on the Superbird I owned in the early 80's...

Welcome, despite the reception!  

I have a Daytona from Montreal--XX29L9B414641.  It's a basket case and then some.  Know any history about it?

Have you seen this and these pictures of 414641



http://www.clubchrysler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=397&sid=e18eff443858350d6de2975ee69e3901

[maxwellwedge]

I'm not a lawyer so I can't deny what you're saying Brennan but this is the first time I have ever heard anyone say that it isn't illegal to remove the VIN from one vehicle and place it onto a different one.

Just ask Gene (NOT our Hemigeno!!) in Missouri that had to break up rocks for a few years for doing same. I do know that in Quebec (Province in question) it is a grande non-non.

[hemigeno]

I'm not a lawyer so I can't deny what you're saying Brennan but this is the first time I have ever heard anyone say that it isn't illegal to remove the VIN from one vehicle and place it onto a different one.

Just ask Gene (NOT our Hemigeno!!) in Missouri that had to break up rocks for a few years for doing same. I do know that in Quebec (Province in question) it is a grande non-non.

Glad you qualified that statement, Jim - had me worried for a sec...

What is the story?  Don't know if I've heard it. 

[nascarxx29]

I Think I  recall hearing it was Gene Gregory making dash vin plates

[hemigeno]

According to what we see in and have read from this thread, someone is still reproducing VIN tags. 

[nascarxx29]

According to what we see in and have read from this thread, someone is still reproducing VIN tags. 

And the correct black rivets are outhere aswell
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=5110863

[maxwellwedge]

I Think I  recall hearing it was Gene Gregory making dash vin plates

And converting standard rag tops into - Presto - Hemi rag tops

[nascarxx29]

Like his lime green convertible

[resq302]

Looking back at the VIN picture of the one in the car at the show, it clearly looks like a fake as the first couple of letters/numbers even have  a different spacing than the rest of them.  If someone is an informed buyer, they would know that just from looking at the tag like we did.