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Adjustable pinion snubber & 60 ft times

Started by BBKNARF, September 20, 2010, 10:58:12 PM

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BBKNARF

Does a adjustable pinion snubber make a difference with 60 foot times at the track, not on my car.
Made 3 passes with the snubber approx 1" away from the floor, average 60 ft. time 1.74
Adjusted the snubber so that its just kissing the floor made 3 more passes average 60 ft. time 1.71
All runs launched at same RPM and using slicks.
Seriously thinking about buying Cal Tracs.

Frank
68 Charger, slowly in the works, 451 c.i. approx. 535 hp @ the flywheel, so far best time in the 1/4
11.21 @ 119 mph, full exhaust, stock suspension, 4:10s @ 3640 pounds.

HPP

If your springs are working properly, a snubber will never make contact with the floor. You can gain more by tuning leaf spring clamps than you can by installing a snubber. That is the classic mopar rise under launch that is at work.

Cal tracs biggest claim to fame is that it allows symetrical leaf spring cars, like mustang and camaro, to act like asymetrical leaf springs cars, like mopars, with a shorter more rigid front section and a softer rear section.

Ghoste

That would have to call for some awful damned stiff springs wouldn't it? 

BBKNARF

I'm using Hemi leaf springs and removed the rear clamps on the leafs, added extra clamps on the front end of the leafs for extra streath, and by adding adjustable pinion snubber
I would think it would work great on the 60 foot, but it doesn't. The purpose of a pinion snubber that is touching the floor is you do not want the rear end to twist forward to much that way the tires
will plant it self more into the pavement for better traction is this right ? But for some reason its not working on my car.

So will the cal tracs work better on my car then the snubber, I don't know, has any one else experience with cal tracs ? are they worth buying ?
68 Charger, slowly in the works, 451 c.i. approx. 535 hp @ the flywheel, so far best time in the 1/4
11.21 @ 119 mph, full exhaust, stock suspension, 4:10s @ 3640 pounds.

elacruze

What's your driveline combination? What are you running for tires?

If you're not spinning, you won't improve your 60' times very much.

Conversely, if you're running too much tire you can improve your 60' by using smaller ones.
1968 505" EFI 4-speed
1968 D200 Camper Special, 318/2bbl/4spd/4.10
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Torque converters are for construction equipment.

BBKNARF

451 cu.in. stock 727 Trans with manual valve body and it shifts hard, 8.75 rear with 4.10s, M/T slicks 26x10x15
best time so far 11.40 @ 122 mph, a number of guys at the track said the car should be going anywhere from 10.85-11.00 with that mph, they also said my 60 foot has to improve to a 1.5 or better
to achieve that time.
68 Charger, slowly in the works, 451 c.i. approx. 535 hp @ the flywheel, so far best time in the 1/4
11.21 @ 119 mph, full exhaust, stock suspension, 4:10s @ 3640 pounds.

elacruze

What's the car weight, what's your converter stall? Are you spinning at all?

Does the car feel good all the way down?
1968 505" EFI 4-speed
1968 D200 Camper Special, 318/2bbl/4spd/4.10
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Torque converters are for construction equipment.

BBKNARF

Quote from: elacruze on September 21, 2010, 07:13:00 PM
What's the car weight, what's your converter stall? Are you spinning at all?

Does the car feel good all the way down?
Weight just over 3600 with me in it, stall 3600, according from a friend a very nice wrickle on the sidewall when I launch with 14 lbs of air, and very little air between bottom of front tire and ground, and it pulls strong all the way down the 1/4, Front shocks Comp. engineer 90/10, rears Ranchos 9000 adjustable.
The car has power like I said 122 mph in the 1/4 it should do 11.00 or faster.
68 Charger, slowly in the works, 451 c.i. approx. 535 hp @ the flywheel, so far best time in the 1/4
11.21 @ 119 mph, full exhaust, stock suspension, 4:10s @ 3640 pounds.

firefighter3931

What is your rpm at the stripe ? It might need more gear and definately needs more stall....at least another 1000 rpm. The MPH is good for high 10's/low 11's but it's not 60fting well. From the wrinkled sidewall description traction is not an issue at this point.  :Twocents:


Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs

elacruze

Quote from: firefighter3931 on September 21, 2010, 11:35:36 PM
What is your rpm at the stripe ? It might need more gear and definately needs more stall....at least another 1000 rpm. The MPH is good for high 10's/low 11's but it's not 60fting well. From the wrinkled sidewall description traction is not an issue at this point.  :Twocents:


Ron
:iagree:

Simple enough-if you're hooking, you need more leverage. Gear and converter are the only two places to get it.

A car with poor rear suspension may find a considerable amount of 60ft. in the suspension, but you're already hooking good. The best you could do from there is a few hundredths by reducing wrap, which you've already found in the snubber.
1968 505" EFI 4-speed
1968 D200 Camper Special, 318/2bbl/4spd/4.10
---
Torque converters are for construction equipment.

BBKNARF

Quote from: firefighter3931 on September 21, 2010, 11:35:36 PM
What is your rpm at the stripe ? It might need more gear and definately needs more stall....at least another 1000 rpm. The MPH is good for high 10's/low 11's but it's not 60fting well. From the wrinkled sidewall description traction is not an issue at this point.  :Twocents:


Ron
Shifting at 6300 and ending with 6500 at the end of track.

Wow 4600 would this stall be ok for the street  :shruggy:

Ok now I'm stuck in the middle :ahum: I can only get 1 item for now, cal-tracs or stall converter  :shruggy:

Thanks guys more suggestion welcome

Frank
68 Charger, slowly in the works, 451 c.i. approx. 535 hp @ the flywheel, so far best time in the 1/4
11.21 @ 119 mph, full exhaust, stock suspension, 4:10s @ 3640 pounds.

firefighter3931

Quote from: elacruze on September 22, 2010, 07:43:21 AM

Simple enough-if you're hooking, you need more leverage. Gear and converter are the only two places to get it.


Bingo !  :iagree:

Quote from: BBKNARF on September 22, 2010, 07:44:59 AM
Quote from: firefighter3931 on September 21, 2010, 11:35:36 PM
What is your rpm at the stripe ? It might need more gear and definately needs more stall....at least another 1000 rpm. The MPH is good for high 10's/low 11's but it's not 60fting well. From the wrinkled sidewall description traction is not an issue at this point.  :Twocents:


Ron
Shifting at 6300 and ending with 6500 at the end of track.

Wow 4600 would this stall be ok for the street  :shruggy:

Ok now I'm stuck in the middle :ahum: I can only get 1 item for now, cal-tracs or stall converter  :shruggy:

Thanks guys more suggestion welcome

Frank


Definately the converter ! Caltracs will only make your car more consistant if it's having traction issues...which you're not.  ;)

Frank, my old 446 makes similar power as your 451 but it 60fted better (1.68) and mine is 500 lbs heavier. The difference ; stall speed !  :icon_smile_big: The Dynamic 9.5 in mine drove like a stocker until you mashed the pedal and then it flashed up real nice....luv that converter  :icon_smile_big: The converter slip is less than 3% so it's very efficient.  :2thumbs:



Ron
68 Charger R/T "Black Pig" Street/Strip bruiser, 70 Charger R/T 440-6bbl Cruiser. Firecore ignition  authorized dealer ; contact me with your needs