Red flag this 69 Charger on eBay **UPDATE**

[1970Moparmann]

I think he got it this way.  He responded to me saying the previous owner had a Hemi in it and then removed it for another project.  Sounds like he had the car for about a year. This is why I will never buy a car without a full detailed inspection. 

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Well looks like "Jeff" has reared his ugly head.....this guy is full of deceit & lies.   

I am hoping he does go ahead & tell the "Mopar Community" how I didnt help him

Read below.....starting at the bottom where he "innocently" bleeds to me saying he "just" traded his RR......

Right.....me, running a Registry would rather see a car crushed than saved?   Makes perfect sense.
On the other hand it is YOU that is the scourge of the Mopar hobby......a flipper looking to make a buck off the naive.   Sucks that YOU got taken for the ride this time huh?  Please do promote the Registry how I DIDN'T help you in the least bit.  I would really appreciate it.  Again I say have a nice life.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff
To: 1969 Charger Registry
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: 69 Charger with no VIN


    Like I said, I can still get an ASPT title for it, so the car will still be on the road.  That's the difference between hobbyists like me who try to keep the cars going and people who are only in it for the money like you who would rather see the car crushed than saved.  I'll be sure to pass your helpfulness on to the rest of the MOPAR community.

--- On Thu, 9/9/10, 1969 Charger Registry <admin@1969chargerregistry.com> wrote:


From: 1969 Charger Registry <admin@1969chargerregistry.com>
Subject: Re: 69 Charger with no VIN
To: "Jeff" <bad69bee@yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, September 9, 2010, 7:06 PM


Smart ass tone?  WTF are you talking about?
Here's a smart ass tone....enjoy your $14k paper weight & have a nice life.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff
To: 1969 Charger Registry
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: 69 Charger with no VIN


     Yes, because the VIN verification from the local sheriff's office came up clear and there was no problem at the local DMV when I applied for the title and they graciously took my $80 (still have the receipt).  I had no reason to believe there was a problem with the car.  I don't appreciate your smartass tone either.  If you don't want to help (or can't), then don't.  I'm not happy that I got shafted with a $14K parts car and really don't need your BS on top of it.  To be honest, who really cares?  The VIN is for a 318 car that obviously never would have been returned to stock or numbers matching.  The car doesn't come up as stolen so I get to keep it and I can get an ASPT title and VIN for it to make it a legal car, although I would rather find the correct VIN.  The only thing that was accomplished here is I get to catch a bunch of crap for receiving a car with a swapped VIN which I had nothing to do with.  If you want to do something constructive, go after the person that sold the VIN, or after ebay for making money off of illegal sales, or the person that bought the VIN which is most likely the one that swapped it out.  Or better yet, help me find the correct VIN like I asked.

--- On Thu, 9/9/10, 1969 Charger Registry <admin@1969chargerregistry.com> wrote:


From: 1969 Charger Registry <admin@1969chargerregistry.com>
Subject: Re: 69 Charger with no VIN
To: "Jeff" <bad69bee@yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, September 9, 2010, 5:21 PM


This car Jeff?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270628694686&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:MOTORS:1123

I thought you said it had a clear Florida title?
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff
To: admin@1969chargerregistry.com
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 3:58 PM
Subject: 69 Charger with no VIN


    Hi, I recently traded my 71 Road Runner for a 69 Charger.  When I went to get a title for the car, I was informed the VIN and fender tag had been sold on ebay 3 years earlier.  Is there anyway to figure out the full VIN based on the last 6 digits of the serial number still stamped on the core support and trunk rail (107228)?  There is also a G9 stamped next to the VIN.  Is that the manufacturing plant?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Jeff
352-368-2457

[charger_fan_4ever]

Too funny. Looks like he tried to play dumb and back pedal and when that didn't work started on the attack.


Lesson to potential charger buyers before buying make sure that the vin # on the dash,fender tag match the rad support and trunk gutter and that these pieces have not been sectioned in. If there are no #'s front and back start asking questions.

[PocketThunder]

Well looks like "Jeff" has reared his ugly head.....this guy is full of deceit & lies.   

I am hoping he does go ahead & tell the "Mopar Community" how I didnt help him

Read below.....starting at the bottom where he "innocently" bleeds to me saying he "just" traded his RR......

Looks like you caught somebody with their pants down!      

[ac_knight]

Well looks like "Jeff" has reared his ugly head.....this guy is full of deceit & lies.   

I am hoping he does go ahead & tell the "Mopar Community" how I didnt help him

Read below.....starting at the bottom where he "innocently" bleeds to me saying he "just" traded his RR......

Hey just wanted to let you know that this guy contacted me (I am apart of the MOPAR community and all) earlier tonight and totally said you didnt help him.  Way to go 

[chargergirl]

Like I used to tell the kids...the louder you yell, the more wrong you are. Love the flip, great read, Thanks!

[66FBCharger]

What happened on this ebay auction? Did anyone bid? Did the seller end the sale early? It said it ended 9/1. Just curious.

[1970Moparmann]

This is classic.

Look at the email I received today.

My response if first.....

Why don't you take all the proof that you have and go after the asshole that traded you the car?  I was simply asking questions.  If you were in the Mopar hobby, you would know how recently there are a lot of assholes doing crap like this and getting away with it.  If you were in the Mopar hobby, you wouldn't have been scammed like you have.  What is wrong with trying to protect future people getting scammed??  Like I said, if you have all your documentation of the "trade" and the personal information like communication with the trade, go after the asshole and do something about it.  You obviously are either pissed you got caught, or pissed that you got scammed.  If you read all of my questions, at no time did I put you down or anything else.  All of the Mopars I have ever owned, this are basic questions.  Again, I would be safe to say 90% of the Mopar Community as you put it would be asking the same questions.

By the way, why is your email address "ebaysucks2008@***.com".  Really makes me wonder now.



From: Tonya Cini
To: moparmann@ameritech.net
Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 2:42:29 AM
Subject: Re: 1970moparmann has sent a question about item #270628694686, ending on Sep-05-10 19:13:45 PDT - Dodge : Charger

     Wow, this was your idea of fun?  To ask a bunch of stupid questions?  Do you and all of your little geek friends in the forum play Dungeons and Dragons too?  YOU are the slimeball.  The sheriff's office did a VIN check when I traded for the car and it came up clear.  The DMV OKd the paperwork and graciously took my $80 for a title.  I had no reason to believe that there was a problem with the car.  As soon as I realized that there was a problem, I pulled the auction.  I have never owned or driven anything but classic Mopars.  I used to think that Mopar owners were a better class of people, but I see that sadly I am wrong.  Congratulations on disgracing the hobby.

[Blown70]

This is good reading.. He knows he got caught....

[CidE]

Oh we definitely need to setup some forum D&D games just to spite him.

[drifter69]

Bet he gets her sold anyway on craigslist or somewhere else, so we will be seeing this car again! Best thing we can do is help each other and help any new comers to keep them as safe as possible from this shit.

[Alaskan_TA]

The 'donor' VIN has been blocked, no one can register it again - ever. 

[bakerhillpins]

Lesson to potential charger buyers before buying make sure that the vin # on the dash,fender tag match the rad support and trunk gutter and that these pieces have not been sectioned in. If there are no #'s front and back start asking questions.

Great advice but it only works for 69 and up. 68's and down have the order # from the tag on the body. Only way to put VIN and Tag/Body to together is the build sheet. That is *if* I have all this stuff figured out.

[charger_fan_4ever]

Lesson to potential charger buyers before buying make sure that the vin # on the dash,fender tag match the rad support and trunk gutter and that these pieces have not been sectioned in. If there are no #'s front and back start asking questions.

Great advice but it only works for 69 and up. 68's and down have the order # from the tag on the body. Only way to put VIN and Tag/Body to together is the build sheet. That is *if* I have all this stuff figured out.

Didn't know that. For my reference the order # is stamped on the body which is on the fendertag but the 68's the vin is only on the dash and buildsheet right ?

Basically no build sheet and your screwed ? 

[Alaskan_TA]

Law enforcemnt agencies can tie the SO to a VIN if & when needed. 

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

The 'donor' VIN has been blocked, no one can register it again - ever. 

That's probably why he's looking for the body VIN to his 14k paperweight

[Alaskan_TA]

It is nice to have contacts in the right places when needed.

to VIN sellers, buyers & swappers everywhere. 

[TylerCharger69]

Call me naive.....but in my honest opinion, I don't think this guy who is selling the car is the original person of deception.   On the other hand....I think he should have been a little more humble and gracious that the registry found a glitch with his car, and maybe do a little detective work as to where this all started.  Instead...it appears he got on the defensive and decided to be an assclown about it.   DMV  cleared the car?.....Fine.   But that doesn't mean the car is TOTALLY legal.  Maybe the DMV should be notified of this deception.   Perhaps someone can pose as a potential buyer and go look to see if they can see the number on the radiator support or the trunk drip rail??  Im willing to bet the original number is reported stolen sometime in its life.   I want to see this story unfold!!!   Enquiring minds want to know!!!   God Bless the Dodge Charger Registry!!!!

[Alaskan_TA]

Read this whole page again. 

[nvrbdn]

did anyone notice and write down the auction no. of the auction that got over a couple days ago where the guy was selling a gen 2 charger that had nothing left but a title vin tag fender tag radiator mount frame and trunk drip rail that went for 550.00 and he said he would cut the #'s off the rusty mess and mail them??? i didnt write it down.just watched it and erased it out of my watch. it was on ebay

[1970Moparmann]

Guys, in all fairness, the person who has this Charger is not the one that did the deceiving.  It sounds like through the questions we asked, he realized he got screwed and is trying to find a way to fix this.  Have to give him credit for this.  As previously stated, I almost got deceived on a 70 AAR Cuda rebody years ago, and feel the pain this guy is going through.   I've had some emails back and forth with him and he even pointed out the Ebayer who he got the car from.  He traded a 71 Road Runner for the Charger a year ago from a guy in Georgia.  This guy apparently got the car in OH.  The local authorities were called, but the VIN came back clean.  What else can he do?  Anyone know Rob Wolf to see if he wants to do some investigative work.  I did some research tonight based on what the current owner provided, and think there's definitely a case......  The plot thickens.....

[Alaskan_TA]

If he is innocent & got hosed on the deal then the legal process starts with him filing a report with his local law enforcement agency.

I checked Jeff's Ebay user name & it was not in the system at the time of that auction.  I have no way of knowing if he had multiple accounts though......

[bakerhillpins]

Lesson to potential charger buyers before buying make sure that the vin # on the dash,fender tag match the rad support and trunk gutter and that these pieces have not been sectioned in. If there are no #'s front and back start asking questions.

Great advice but it only works for 69 and up. 68's and down have the order # from the tag on the body. Only way to put VIN and Tag/Body to together is the build sheet. That is *if* I have all this stuff figured out.

Didn't know that. For my reference the order # is stamped on the body which is on the fendertag but the 68's the vin is only on the dash and buildsheet right ?

Basically no build sheet and your screwed ? 

This is what I have been using while shopping for a Charger.

http://andy440.com/other.htm
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,38316.0/all.html
http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/numbersMatching.shtml

Law enforcemnt agencies can tie the SO to a VIN if & when needed. 

SO = Order number off of tag?  How so, via the registries?  This would be useful information for those of us who are trying to validate cars we are looking at.

[Knight]

Since you guys "love a good train wreck in the making", I just thought I would let everyone know the end result of your efforts.  Everyone knows the trouble started with the car's listing on ebay.  Once I found out there was a problem, I tried to find a solution to which no one wanted to help.  Instead everyone thought it would be more fun to act like morons. 

Me, my wife, and my 5yr old son are sitting in our living room watching TV when the Marion County Sheriff's Dept. (along with NICB) comes pounding on our front door like they are making a Gestapo raid.  When I opened the door they barged in with all kinds of attitude insisting on inspecting the car.  So I would personally like to thank everyone on here for giving my son his first experience for hating police (The problems that followed with the thieving, alcoholic, child predator for a neighbor across the street who happened to be friends with the Ocala Police Dept. served to reinforce my 5yr olds hatred for police).

They eventually realized I wasn't their guy, and their attitude changed drastically after that.  So, they came to my door, proof in hand, ready to bust this hardened criminal in front of his family.  Then I look at his proof.  It is a copy of the ebay auction where the car is listed as a parts car in the parts car section and it ended with no bids.

So then the moron from NICB just starts randomly spraying paint stripper all over the car and rubbing off the paint.  When I realized he was looking for the body numbers, I showed him where they were (after all, I had nothing to hide).  So they run the body numbers from the trunk rail and core support (which matched), and they came back as a 69 Coronet.  I showed them my 69 Coronet and explained to them that although it isn't impossible to turn a 69 Coronet into a 69 Charger, it is impractical and there was no evidence of the extensive work it would have required.  Their absolute proof turned out to be false information and they couldn't figure out anything from the numbers, so they left.

They didn't care who the previous owners were (I was able to provide them with the last 2).  Once they realized they weren't being handed a conviction on a silver platter and they would actually have to do some work to find out the full story, they lost interest.  Now there was the problem of getting the title that I had already paid for.  The MCSO would not release the block on the title even though they couldn't prove anything wrong.  I had to take the DMV to court to get the title to the car.  After all that, I ended up selling it to a guy (who I made sure was well aware of the full story) for $13K.

So, now you know that just about everyone who posted here violated the terms of use policy (copied and pasted below) and opened yourselves up to a civil lawsuit.  Not that I would file one and we all know "you can't fix stupid", but perhaps some of you will think twice before blindly posting false information on a public website trashing someone when you obviously have no clue what you are talking about.  After this experience, I began selling off my Mopars (with the exception of the 65 Plymouth my late father purchased back in 1978) and have converted to GM.  I now have the A-Team van, KITT from Knight Rider, and the Coyote from Hardcastle and McCormick powered by an aluminum LS1.  GM people are an all around better class of people and are openly helpful, much unlike the high and mighty vindictive morons on here.


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[Ghoste]

As one of the vindictive morons who doesn't like rebodies or deceit let me be the first to say, congratulations on getting out of Mopars and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.