Red flag this 69 Charger on eBay **UPDATE**

[Knight]

So law enforcement and NICB couldn't find evidence of deceit or a rebody after personally inspecting the car, but Ghoste can find it from behind his computer screen.  YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID! 

[Ghoste]

So the car is reported as parted out in 2007, it appears on e-bay for sale in 2010, and then in 2014 Knight comes on here to call us all morons because some people who really don't know jack shit about cars didn't charge you?  You are right, you can't fix stupid but it isn't on this side of my keyboard buddy.
With the time that's transpired with all of this and your convenient offer of no more evidence than the feds couldn't see what they were looking at I have to think there is a WHOOOOOOLe lot more to this story than you are confessing to here.
If you are so innocent, show us the proof.  We aren't a federal agency that knows squat about cars.  This is a very knowledgeable pool of Mopar and especially Charger info here so go ahead, lets see the photographic evidence that proves we are the morons.

[polywideblock]

so it took 2 years to track down the scum that dobbed him in 

I've had nothing but help from everyone on here   

[Knight]

Ghoste, you continue to prove my point.  You run your mouth in high with your brain in neutral.  I never said anything about Feds.  Detective Eric Dice of the MCSO did the investigation (if you want to call it that).  Give him a call.  I'm sure everything you need is in the report.  Don't blame me that the police didn't do their job.  Alaskan TA was the one running his mouth that the police were going to take care of this.  I gave them all the information I had on the car including the last 2 owners.  When I first found out there was a problem, I sent emails to anyone I could find with the body numbers hoping to figure this out.  Everyone seemed more interested in condemning both me and the car (ironic behavior for people trying to preserve these cars) than finding out the truth.  NOBODY from this "knowledgeable pool of Mopar and especially Charger info here" would reply to me about the body numbers!  So either you all didn't care about the truth, or you didn't want the truth to come out.  Law enforcement said the numbers came back as a 69 Coronet.  Is law enforcement wrong?  Did the factory make a mistake?  I don't know and don't care.  I resolved the issue and sold the car anyway.

What I do care about is a bunch of half-cocked morons plotting to come to my house in secret and sending the police on a gestapo raid to my house based on false information.  Did you see the ebay ad stupid?  The car wasn't parted out on ebay.  The detective showed me the copy of the auction.  The WHOLE car was listed for sale in the parts car section.  The pictures showed the car as being mostly complete at that time.  The auction ended with no bids, so I have no idea what happened between there and when I got the car, and neither does anyone else.  THAT is my point!  You people were ready to condemn both me and the car (and sat here laughing and joking about it like morons) and you had no clue what the truth was.

So, oh knowledgeable one, call the detective, get all the proof you seek, do your own investigation, and let us all know what REALLY happened.  I'm not your buddy, and the stupidity definitely oozes from your fingertips to your keyboard.  Now, I told you where to find all the proof you want, so either come back here with facts and let us know what the "WHOOOOOOLe lot more to this story" is, or don't come back at all.

[moparnation74]

All of the members here are top notch hobbyists in many respects.

Especially Ghoste!

On behalf of my breatherin here: Thanks for leaving mother Mopar!  Best of luck in your future endeavors!

[JB400]

Knight,

        I'm not really for sure what you're trying to accomplish.  But, from what has been posted in this thread, I think some accuisations were made rather quickly without all the facts of this car known.  With this known, I will agree that some members here have made a fool of themselves over this car, including yourself, and Ghoste, recently.  However, making brash conversation on this forum doesn't help the situation.  Like members of this forum should be, I'm not in position to lay blame on you for any fraudulent activity with this car, but I'm also not in a position to believe you either.  I will say I find your situation more plausible though.  It's an unfortunate circumstance of what you have gone through, but I will say that at least it is known that there is this problem with your former car.  That alone, benefits everyone.  

  Not only in spiight of the holiday, but I don't see anything positive coming from any additional slandering.  With that said, I think it's time to let this go.

                      Have a Merry Christmas.

[Ghoste]

Knight you clearly didn't come here for any reason than pot stirring and resurrecting a thread from the dead in this fashion really does paint you as someone with something to hide.  You can call me names all you like but you'd have to be the stupid one to want to come on here and dredge this up without providing any evidence to defend your position other than the authorities found nothing so you guys are morons.  If your kid hates the police it didn't start here, his daddy is the one who taught him that.
Go play with your Knightrider clones and like I said, don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out.

[TUFCAT]

All of the members here are top notch hobbyists in many respects.

Especially Ghoste!

On behalf of my breatherin here: Thanks for leaving mother Mopar!  Best of luck in your future endeavors!

All of the members here are top notch hobbyists in many respects.

Especially Ghoste!

On behalf of my breatherin here: Thanks for leaving mother Mopar!  Best of luck in your future endeavors!

^^^^ Exactly like he said.

Whatever it may be, if a member starts sniffing around and finds some type of fraud, or hears of bad apples in this hobby we owe it to ourselves to get the word out immediately.  We have to be on top of our game - even if it means policing this stuff ourselves or doing our own diligence before reporting it to the proper authorities. It may take a while to make sure all of the i's get dotted, and t's get crossed, but we'll get the right people in the loop eventually.  The Mopar hobby is a small tight-knit group so once the "bright lights" of the internet start shining on them....people start talking.

Its also quite funny how fast one good ole' boy will rat-out another good ole' boy...kicking that can all the way down the line until the story ends up with that "one guy" wondering how he just got sold out by his "friends".  Its usually plays out by being reported in a comprehensive and, permanent way for everybody to read on the internet.      

Ghoste is one of the most knowledgeable guys that I personally know on this board, and I rank him up there with some of the best.  If he takes hold onto something that's not legit, you bet your ass he'll do what's right to protect our hobby. Where there's smoke, there's almost always fire.  The majority of us hate fakes, so I guess you've been caught in the cross-hairs.  Do I think you're right?  I have no idea.  But if its right, ... please go ahead and show us the proof that makes us all morons.  In the Mopar hobby you'll find friends....or make your own enemies.  

[chargerperson]

Go play with your Knightrider clones and like I said, don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out.

I was thinking the A-Team van might be more fun.   After awhile though, should one become bored, you could simulate your own show where Michael Knight combines forces with BA, Hannibal and crew.

Strange angry post with some strong complaints and then indicates they have both a Knightrider and A-Team vehicle

[Ghoste]

Whoa, I don't think I'm all that, I just took exception to this guy coming on and throwing out a few insults in the direction of a couple of guys who have done a lot more for the hobby than I ever have.

[Knight]

Exactly how am I supposed to prove that I did not do anything wrong here on top of a police investigation and an investigation from the NICB that both clear me?  Clearly you don't have any faith in our justice system if both of those investigations are not enough to prove my innocence to you.  I guess I was wasting my time serving this country where I am supposed to be innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.  Two agencies (3 if you count me taking the DMV to court to get the title) prove me innocent and that still isn't enough for you?  I provided you with the agency and the investigating officer, and still you prefer to run your mouth without any knowledge.  You don't want the facts.  You would rather blindly go to bat for your fellow members than admit that they made a mistake.

I had saved this thread in my favorites long ago and recently came across it as I was cleaning out the folder.  I thought it important to post the facts about the incident to those cowards who sat behind their computer screens stirring the pot behind someone's back.  Like those members on here, my neighbor is a cowardly POS who would shout out all kinds of stuff from behind his fence.  The problem is, he eventually had to come out from behind that fence.  When he did, he got sent to the hospital with a fractured eye socket and brain hemorrhaging.  He had his friends with the police dept. arrest me, but once I showed the footage from my security cameras to the SAO, the charges were dropped.  I don't have to hide because I don't do anything that I am not prepared to take full responsibility for.  That's how I was raised by my parents and that's what it means to be a Marine.

What's really funny here, is the original morons haven't bothered to defend themselves on here.  Instead, there is a whole new group of morons wanting to run their mouths when they have no idea what the facts are.  You want the facts?  You want the WHOLE story?  You want to know what really went on from an unbiased point of view?  Contact the MCSO and get a copy of the report.  The VIN, body numbers, ebay ad, and any other information you want for proof is in there.  I don't have anything because I sold the car once the title cleared and charged the new owner for all the extra aggravation I had to go through.  I just thought it was important to post the truth, but I can see the people here aren't interested in the truth.  The people here just like to make assumptions and then talk about people behind their back.  Worse than a bunch of school girls.

[kokxville]

I was bored too,i started to read this topic,and when i was done i took a crap  

Then i found this, i laughed and moved on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBXdTuao4Bg

Have is a wonderful day  

[JB400]

    Take a gander at this thread again, and tell me how I'm supposed to make an honest assessment of this situation?   We have an expired ebay link flagged by someone that used to run the Registry to document what happens to our beloved cars, a pic of a fender tag, a riot mob calling for a hangin', and someone that says they own the car, but didn't commit the fraudulent activity (you).  If this situation is too hard for you to understand, let me rephrase it:  I have window that was broken by a baseball, a wife ranting and raving the window is broken, and a handful of kids that was playing ball outside that window, plus you admitting to owning the bat that hit the ball that broke the window.  How can I tell who broke the window?

    My post was only to point out the situation posted, and to quiet the situation.  You came on here raising cane against a group of people that are snowed in and have nothing better to do, on a problem that happened 4 years ago.  Continuing on with the current floor plan won't end well, and result in this thread getting locked, with any facts of what actually happened to this car, not coming into the limelight.

  As far as my trust in the justice system, lets just say I understand clearly why your son doesn't trust the police.

[Knight]

Nice analogy, but there are just a few flaws.  A mob is telling you that your window was swapped out (not broken) and they are going to hang the culprit even though they have absolutely no proof whatsoever.  There were only 3 kids in the yard, and the last one with the bat is the one that did it (according to the mob) simply because he was the last one with the bat.  3 agencies come in and do separate investigations (local police, insurance fraud, and the court/DMV).  All 3 agencies tell you the last one with the bat did NOT do it, but they aren't going to bother investigating the other 2.  They also tell you that the part# on your window comes back as a screen.  All of this is verifiable through the police report (including the copy of the expired ebay ad and the body numbers coming back as a 69 Coronet) of which I provided the name of the detective and the investigating agency (something I dare say a guilty person with something to hide wouldn't do). 

The mentality here is the same mentality as the morons in MO.  They know that their beloved thugs were gunned down while committing crimes (Brown DID commit a strong arm robbery and DID try to attack the officer in his car, and the latest one is on video pulling a gun on the officer).  Instead of admitting they are wrong, they hide behind prominent members of society like their Al Sharpton (your hero that used to run the registry) and blame it on the cops.  Because they take to the streets (internet) in a mob, well then it must be true.  Does my analogy sum it up for everyone here? 

Now I could sit here and fence words all day long, but it will just be words.  If you want proof/facts, you will have to pull the report and do your own investigation.  I just thought I would post the story from a primary source (given that I am the only one here who physically had the car in my possession and allowed the 3 separate government agencies to investigate it) and thought some people might actually see the err in their ways.  Apparently I was wrong.  The people here are content with hanging someone based on inaccurate information from a secondary source.  The 1rst Amendment doesn't grant people the right to be ignorant.  Like I said, I could file a civil lawsuit.  Perhaps that would provide the proof you all seek?  Given that this thread is active, the statute of limitations have not begun to run out on it yet. 

Hmmmm, might have to reconsider my position on the lawsuit.  I could provide you all with the proof you seek in a court of law and get reimbursed all of my expenses (and then some) in the process.  After all, I have already proven my innocence to 3 government entities, so a fourth one will be nothing short of routine.  Guess you guys better start getting all your facts and proof together to prove my guilt, or prepare to beg the court for mercy.

[moparnation74]

This thread has been dead for four years.  FOUR YEARS!

Stating a threat of a civil lawsuit and following through with one is two very different things.

If I am not mistaken the Body Numbers and VIN do not match, correct?

You have sold said car to some unfortunate individual to deal with, right?

It would have been in your best interest to stay away from this forum and to let the past be the past, correct?

Rather you came back for a fight, for what? To gain what?

You have said your peace and frustration! It is over and was done four years ago.

[Ghoste]

Merry Christmas Knight

[TUFCAT]

Merry Christmas Knight

Moparnation summed everything up.........so Happy New Year too!  

[Alaskan_TA]

First of all,
Merry Christmas everyone.

Mr. Knight,
Just one thing about this quote that I would like to mention in case you were not aware of it?

Everyone knows the trouble started with the car's listing on ebay. 

The "trouble" started on Jan 1, 2007 when the dash VIN & fender tag were listed for sale on Ebay. They do have rules against selling VIN tags because they are illegal to sell but people still list them at times. If Ebay is on the ball the auctions get pulled. The seller was in Cleveland, Ohio.

In August of 2010, a car with those tags was being advertised on Ebay by a seller in Florida, so sometime in that 3 1/2 years the tags evidently found their way to a different chassis.

You bought the car this way, is that right? If so, you got taken and any anger should be directed at the person that sold that tags & the person that swapped the tags. If you want to pursue that angle, I can make copies of both auction listings for you so you have a place to start. If you message or email me about it please mention 9B 236320 which is my record locator for the hard file.

[TUFCAT]

He may have been "taken when he bought it"......but that leads to the question to why he didn't pursue this as being fraud from the beginning (after he was told).  You would think,  a case would've been opened against the seller that he purchased it from.  Apparently not.    So like they say in Chinese.... Sum Ding Wong.  

[Ghoste]

Hmm, so is it still true you can't fix stupid?

[Knight]

Have any of you people actually read what I wrote?  You assume the VIN tag and fender tag were sold on ebay because Just 6T9 CHGR said so.  Stop blindly accepting information from a secondary source.  Detective Dice made the same mistake when he showed up at my house with his attitude.  After looking at his copies of the ebay auction, I pointed out to him that the 2007 auction was for the complete parts car listed in the parts car section of ebay.  The auction ended with no bids.  The VIN tag and fender tag were NOT sold on ebay.  This whole thing started from one moron posting false information.

Between the fact that there was no proof the VIN tag and fender tag were ever removed, and the remaining numbers on the body came back as a 69 Coronet, none of which were reported stolen, the police and NICB had nothing left to look into.  Either there was a mistake in record keeping or the factory made a mistake stamping the other body numbers.  Does that mean there should be a public hanging and the car should be scrapped?  If that's the case, someone needs to contact Don Garlits and tell him to scrap that 1 of 1 Superbird he has sitting in the museum that was accidentally painted brown (along with the many other mistakes I have seen over the years).

It took months for the 2 agencies to close their investigation with no findings.  Then it took months longer to take the DMV to court to get the car titled.  So yes moparnation74, I know what it takes to follow through with a civil lawsuit.  Got one pending against my idiot neighbor as we speak.  He didn't know when to admit he was wrong either.  My kids and I have 2 separate repeat violence injunctions against the man.  I have physically put him down twice (the second resulted in his trip to the hospital).  He has been found guilty of violating both injunctions, and yet he still just doesn't know when to give up after 6 years.  That's how I know the statute of limitations on this incident won't even start to run out until this thread becomes inactive.

As a side note, I have no ill feelings toward Detective Dice.  Once he realized he was acting on misinformation he was man enough to admit it and his attitude quickly changed.  

Yes Ghoste, like my neighbor, you are doomed to a life of stupidity.  After all, ignorance is bliss right?

[Daytona R/T SE]

"I have no ill feelings toward Detective Dice. "








Wait a minute...

"Detective Dice ? "  

[Ghoste]

Yes Ghoste, like my neighbor, you are doomed to a life of stupidity.  After all, ignorance is bliss right?

I'm stupid?  I'm not the tool who came on here years after the thread was forgotten about to slander people I didn't even know.  Although anyone who reads the thread will see that you started the fight with those guys not long after you got shafted onb the car.  Still don't see how we are the stupid ones when you are the one who got shafted, but whatever.  It's also kind of interesting that we are bad for believing someone on this forum who's reputation is WELL established but we need to take your word of innocence in beating down the guy next door to you without providing the whole story.  He must have said something really horrible over the fence to make you want to attack a guy 20 years older than you and hospitalize him.  It couldn't have been pretty if the fire department felt compelled to call the police when they witnessed you take down that 60 year old.  But why would you come on here and brag about putting him in a hospital with serious injuries?  It doesn't have anything to do with the topic at hand. I'm guessing that and the threats of civil suits must mean you are a very scary badass mofo not to be messed with?
Don't you have a Mr. T van to go play with or something?

[TUFCAT]

This guy reminds me of a billy-badass version of Joey Gowdy.....

but I doubt Joey would ever jump over a fence and beat a 65 year old man within inches of his life.  

[69CoronetRT]

If you message or email me about it please mention 9B 236320 which is my record locator for the hard file.

From the e-mail he sent to Chris (page 1 of thread)

Is there anyway to figure out the full VIN based on the last 6 digits of the serial number still stamped on the core support and trunk rail (107228)?  There is also a G9 stamped next to the VIN. 

Just to be clear...did someone put a Hamtramck VIN and tag on a STL built car? Notice the references to 'comes back a Coronet'.

FWIW...9G107228 would be more aligned with a Coronet than a Charger.