Superbird - Evidence for Various Production Totals

[Arnie Cunningham]

Greetings All,

I have added another page -
http://brcook.com/id29.html
for the purpose of documenting evidence of the various speculated production totals of Superbirds.

I am looking for:

- Any documentation for the number of export Superbirds.
- Documentation of the number of Plymouth Dealers in 1969.
- The NASCAR rules stating the one car for every other dealership rule for the 1970 race season.
- Clarification as to whether the number of dealers was USA only, North America or ??
- Documentation of the 1935 number often cited as the Chrysler Historical total on record.

And any other quantities with documentation.  There have been many numbers put forth over the years.

Thanks,

Brennan R. Cook

[maxwellwedge]

Try this   http://aerowarriors.com/rules/70nrS20-1.html


c. Eligibility.

(1) It is mandatory that a street version engine be produced by the manufacturer as a regular production option for installation and sale to the public in a regular product offering. For 1970 the eligibility quantity for bodies will be 1000 minimum or a figure equal to one-half the number of franchised dealers, whichever is the higher. Engine production requirements will continue to be 500 engines installed in cars before approval to compete is granted.

(2) Production models and production engines introduced by January 15, 1970, will be classified eligible for competition in 1970. New models or engines introduced after January 15, 1970, will not be eligible for competition until April 15, 1970. Any equipment introduced after April 15 will not be eligible during 1970.

[Alaskan_TA]

I still think that the VONs are the key to backing up an accurate count. I have mentionioned a few times that I would LOVE to see a list tying the VINs to the VONs. If anyone has a list like that I have not heard of it yet.

I am willing to do the research, but I need the data.

If no such list exists, I can make one. (I have already started). Anyone that wants to can email a clear image of their fender tag or broadcast sheet & I will add the info to the list I started.

If you have a bunch of fender tag photos from car shows / meets that would work too.

sixpak340(at symbol here)att.net

Barry

[nascarxx29]

What about these listings by regions they accurate? The other source is the 1920 list inside the superbird fleet engineering manual.But that book has mistakes doubles .And known cars not listed.I might have a few from shows pictured fender tags etc info.Still have copies and originals of broadcast sheets
http://aerowarriors.com/cda/cda_110669.html

[Arnie Cunningham]

Greetings All,

Thanks for the prompt input.

I too believe that the VONs could be a very accurate clue to actual production.
I am not certain if my logic is sound here but here are all the cars received at Clairpointe on the last day Superbirds were shipped out.  They are arranged in order of VIN.  Any VONs for these cars would logically ?? be close to the highest.

"The last Superbird" or the last one listed on the NASCAR list 172609 has been for sale in the past.  Did anyone see the VON for it?

The Highest VIN on the list is number 1771 or 181274.  Has anyone seen this car?

1890   RM23   V   0A   168713   16-Dec      23      17-Dec
1891   RM23   U   0A   168741   16-Dec      24      17-Dec
1905   RM23   U   0A   169442   16-Dec      38      18-Dec
1915   RM23   U   0A   169491   16-Dec      48      17-Dec
1907   RM23   U   0A   169494   16-Dec      40      18-Dec
1903   RM23   U   0A   170206   16-Dec      36      18-Dec
1908   RM23   R   0A   172590   16-Dec      41      17-Dec
1888   RM23   R   0A   172606   16-Dec      21      16-Dec
1920   RM23   V   0A   172609   16-Dec      53   53   17-Dec
1887   RM23   V   0A   172661   16-Dec      20      17-Dec
1893   RM23   V   0A   173748   16-Dec      26      16-Dec
1885   RM23   U   0A   173789   16-Dec      18      16-Dec
1910   RM23   U   0A   174580   16-Dec      43      17-Dec
1902   RM23   U   0A   174582   16-Dec      35      17-Dec
1889   RM23   U   0A   175548   16-Dec      22      17-Dec
1909   RM23   U   0A   175558   16-Dec      42      17-Dec
1892   RM23   U   0A   175560   16-Dec      25      17-Dec
1906   RM23   U   0A   175573   16-Dec      39      18-Dec
1894   RM23   U   0A   175664   16-Dec      27      16-Dec
1913   RM23   U   0A   176663   16-Dec      46      17-Dec
1872   RM23   U   0A   176664   16-Dec      5      17-Dec
1877   RM23   U   0A   176666   16-Dec      10      16-Dec
1916   RM23   U   0A   177560   16-Dec      49      18-Dec
1904   RM23   U   0A   177565   16-Dec      37      17-Dec
1911   RM23   U   0A   177567   16-Dec      44      17-Dec
1919   RM23   U   0A   177568   16-Dec      52      17-Dec
1895   RM23   U   0A   177569   16-Dec      28      17-Dec
1897   RM23   U   0A   177573   16-Dec      30      17-Dec
1912   RM23   U   0A   177577   16-Dec      45      18-Dec
1918   RM23   U   0A   177580   16-Dec      51      17-Dec
1896   RM23   V   0A   177610   16-Dec      29      16-Dec
1883   RM23   U   0A   178646   16-Dec      16      17-Dec
1868   RM23   U   0A   178653   16-Dec      1      17-Dec
1917   RM23   U   0A   178656   16-Dec      50      18-Dec
1882   RM23   V   0A   178672   16-Dec      15      16-Dec
1870   RM23   U   0A   178675   16-Dec      3      16-Dec
1881   RM23   U   0A   178677   16-Dec      14      16-Dec
1873   RM23   U   0A   178681   16-Dec      6      17-Dec
1884   RM23   V   0A   179737   16-Dec      17      17-Dec
1898   RM23   U   0A   179749   16-Dec      31      17-Dec
1878   RM23   U   0A   179750   16-Dec      11      17-Dec
1876   RM23   U   0A   179762   16-Dec      9      17-Dec
1874   RM23   U   0A   179763   16-Dec      7      16-Dec
1875   RM23   U   0A   179766   16-Dec      8      17-Dec
1871   RM23   U   0A   179781   16-Dec      4      17-Dec
1899   RM23   R   0A   179782   16-Dec      32      17-Dec
1900   RM23   U   0A   179782   16-Dec      33      17-Dec
1879   RM23   U   0A   179785   16-Dec      12      17-Dec
1901   RM23   V   0A   180655   16-Dec      34      18-Dec
1886   RM23   V   0A   181252   16-Dec      19      17-Dec
1869   RM23   R   0A   181254   16-Dec      2      18-Dec
1880   RM23   R   0A   181255   16-Dec      13      17-Dec
1914   RM23   U   0A   1745798   16-Dec      47      17-Dec

[Alaskan_TA]

Well, the VIN for the highest J98xxx VON I have heard of so far is not on that list.

The VONs were pre-determined on these cars & were assigned VINs as the orders were placed.

Actual build sequence does not appear to be based on either the VIN or the VON from what I have seen so far.

[nascarxx29]

  Do we now the vins and vons for the lowest vin superbird and the highest vin superbird and von.From what I heard and lead to believe  Lears superbird 149852 J97000 181274 J98934  I believe this car was sold and was a  survivor except for mag rims.If I got the right car info

[Alaskan_TA]

I touched on what I knew in the 999 thread, let me find those quotes.....

Also, since the document indicates that the 999 cars would start at J99499 & it looks like the highest one we have so far is J99538 - we (I?) can assume that at least 40 were made.

I know what assumptions do, but sometimes the only way to learn is to be proved wrong.   

Taking my VON logic one step further........

It is generally accepted that 1935 Superbirds were produced, right?

The highest VON I have for the normal paint code 'Birds so far is J98890. If the first one was J97000 as the document suggests that would be 1891 'Birds with normal paint codes.

If we assume what I mentioned earlier with at least 40 in 999 paint, that would put us up to 1931 'Birds based on known VONs.

Pretty dang close......... 

[nascarxx29]

 The vins and vons for the lowest vin superbird and the highest vin superbird and von.From what I heard and lead to believe   Lears superbird 149852 J97000

181274 J98934  I believe this car was sold and was a  survivor except for mag rims.If I got the right car info this is the last superbird highest vin
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,63988.0.html