Second gen mirror combinations. What came stock?

[bull]

I'm not sure where to post this since it's more of a "what was stock" question rather than a body and paint restoration question. I guess one of the mods can cuss me and move it if it's out of place.

Anyway, what all kind of outside mirror combinations were offered '68-'70? I have one non-remote driver side mirror and no mirror on the passenger side. Now what I typically see when there's two mirrors is both of them are remote, but did they ever offer a remote on one side but not the other? Did Chrysler ever put two non-remote mirrors on both sides? Did they only use the non-remote mirrors when there was only one mirror installed on the car?

[Nacho-RT74]

70 remote controled ones as far I know is diferent, is racing king ( CUP ). Non remote are the same as earliers

I think passenger remoted side weren't an option untill 75, at least on A/B and E bodies... don't know on C bodies

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

The 70's had the optional rallye mirrors as Nacho described.

The standard mirror was the single non-remote
Optional was the remote. (G33)
(G31) Second optional was the matching pass side (non-remote)to the remote drivers side.  Pretty rare option.  Out of the over 600 Chargers I have registered only 32 have this on the tag

No remote pass side in a Charger

[bull]

So there's no such thing as two non-remote mirrors on a second gen.? At least not from the factory.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Not on a Charger that Ive seen anyway.
I have seen them on other models though.

My friend has them on his 69 Coronet R/T 'vert

[ChargerAndy]

Mine has a drivers side remote and nothing on the passenger side..... though, do I recall the hole for the remote control in the passenger door inside sheetmetal?  I may be dreaming in mirror image again    Andy

[hemi68charger]

So there's no such thing as two non-remote mirrors on a second gen.? At least not from the factory.

You referring to the manual mirrors? If so, yes they are. My '70 Charger R/T had them and was coded on the fender tag....
I'm equating your non-remote = manual

Troy

Here's a pic of my former beast with passenger manual mirror...

[hemigeno]

Troy, do you remember what the codes were for that RH manual mirror?  I didn't think they put the RH manual w/o the LH remote, but as with lots of other things, I have learned never to say never with Mopar.

[bull]

There are two types of manual mirrors, a larger one that I assume went on the passenger side to match the drivers sdie remote (pic #2 below), and a smaller one which I assume was standard and had no match on the opposite side even though they can go on either side (pic #1). What I really want to know is if they ever put two of the first mirrors pictured below on both sides. Sorry if I'm confusing things.

[8WHEELER]

I will have to say EVERY LH mirror I have ever seen like your bottom picture IS a remote mirror.
Now the one in your bottom picture I have to assume is for the RH side to look like the LH sides
remote mirror, if I am making myself clear.

I have only seen a factory dual mirror car for the 68 model year, it was on a 68 Coronet Wagon, and
that was the non remote mirror on both sides, like in your top picture.

Dan

[bull]

I will have to say EVERY LH mirror I have ever seen like your bottom picture IS a remote mirror.
Now the one in your bottom picture I have to assume is for the RH side to look like the LH sides
remote mirror, if I am making myself clear.

I have only seen a factory dual mirror car for the 68 model year, it was on a 68 Coronet Wagon, and
that was the non remote mirror on both sides, like in your top picture.

Dan

That's what I'm thinking too. It would look silly having a larger remote mirror on the left and a smaller manual mirror on the right. It makes sense that they created the larger manual mirror (pic 2 above) to match the looks of the remote mirror on the drivers side (below). But I was under the assumption they also had a passenger side remote mirror too, which apparently is not the case.

[hemigeno]

I've only seen one RH remote mirror, and that popped up in a thread on this site a couple of weeks ago.

A dealer could easily have installed a manual mirror on the right side if someone would have wanted it, but I don't think they came stock that way.

G33 LH remote / G31 RH manual is the only combo I've seen.  But then again, I haven't seen everything...

[hemi68charger]

There are two types of manual mirrors, a larger one that I assume went on the passenger side to match the drivers sdie remote (pic #2 below), and a smaller one which I assume was standard and had no match on the opposite side even though they can go on either side (pic #1). What I really want to know is if they ever put two of the first mirrors pictured below on both sides. Sorry if I'm confusing things.

My '70, like I stated before, did have both the left and right manual mirrors.. The standard mirror should have been the driver's manual. With that being said, it probably DID NOT reflect that on the fender data tag since it was a standard body component. That's a educated assumption though and I can't at the present time "prove" it.. I do remember there was a code for the passenger manual mirror.... Now, the driver's remote control mirror did have a twin for the passenger side as in the lower pic of BULL's reply, but as we all know, it wasn't remote-controlled............ The manual passenger mirror did look exactly like the driver's and if memory serves me, they were interchangeable, albeit, was totally useless for the most part....

I bought my car in '85 and it looked like the mirror was very original to the car, plus the fact I remember a code for it...  I don't have any copies of the broadcast sheet or fender tag to that former car...

Troy

[hemigeno]

The G31 RH Manual mirror that matched the LH Remote mirror was different, in that the outer "lip" of the facing was longer.   The angle between the driver and the mirror was different than the LH side, so they had to have the mirror glass pointed more towards the driver and less towards the rear of the car.   That's the reason for the longer outside leg or lip of the mirror housing.   They weren't interchangeable, unfortunately.   You also can't just put a LH Remote mirror on the RH door, as it wouldn't work right or look right.   That's what was so unusual about the RH remote mirror that we kicked around a while back.   Here's the link to that thread:

RH Remote Mirror Thread

[hemigeno]

My '70, like I stated before, did have both the left and right manual mirrors.. The standard mirror should have been the driver's manual. With that being said, it probably DID NOT reflect that on the fender data tag since it was a standard body component.

There was not a code for the standard mirror on either the Fender Tag or the Broadcast Sheet.  In the absence of any other codes, that's what they put on.  In '69 anyway, there were only three possible options for the LH side: 
No Code = Manual (P/N 2802710); 
G33 = LH Remote (P/N 2945955); 
G35 = Delete Std. Outside Mirror. 

For the RH side in '69, there were only two options that I've seen mentioned: 
No Code = No RH Mirror; 
G31 = RH Manual Mirror (P/N 2802869), styled to match the LH Remote. 

The '69 Parts Book doesn't even show a listing for the RH Remote mirror mentioned in that other thread, probably because it was an export-car-only item.

The 2802710 standard manual mirror was listed in the parts book as being applicable for either the Left or Right sides, but there wasn't a sales code for a Right Side 2802710 application.  Dealers could have added those very easily , but I still don't think there was a factory code for that in '69 or '70.  There were a lot more mirror options in '70 and up with the addition of the "racing" style mirrors though.

[hemi68charger]

...  There were a lot more mirror options in '70 and up with the addition of the "racing" style mirrors though.

I must emphasis that when I say "manual", I'm referring to the manual chrome ones...
Troy

[hemi68charger]

Here are the '70's per Chris's '70 site...
G31 Mirror - Outside RH Manual Standard Type 75 built 0.8% $6.85

G31 Mirror - Outside RH Remote Type with G33 834 built 8.9% $6.85 chrome equal to G33

G32 Mirror - Outside RH Manual Painted Racing

G33 Mirror - Outside LH Remote Type Chrome 6531 built 69.7% $10.45

G34 Mirror - Outside LH Remote Painted Racing

G35 Delete STD O/S Mirror

G36 Mirror-Outside L+R Both 84 built 0.9% N/A Mid Year Intro

G36 Mirror - Outside L+R PNT 56 built 0.6% N/A Became available February 12, 1970 - colour keyed to only EB5, EF8, FJ5, EK2, FK5, FY1 and FC7



Now, I'm not sure what G36 refers to, manual or the remote-control........ My gut says it's the manual chrome like I had..... 


Troy

[Chris G.]

I'll throw my    in on this subject. I have a friend who has a pretty loaded '68 R/T. He has both remote mirrors on his car. I don't have a tag pic, and since I can't read those things anyway, I couldn't tell you if the tag would indicate what style mirrors the car has. In 1969 and 1970, if you had the G31 and G33 on your tag, you should have dual remote mirrors (I think). If you only see a G31 on the tag, it would indicate that you had a drivers side manual mirror only, or so it seemed. We have a few cars in the registry that don't have a code for any mirror on the tag. It was impossible not to get one, so that still remains a mystery. When I get home, I will check the sheets that we have no mirror code for and post the results...Unless Don sees this first and does it.

In 1970 they added the racing mirrors (G36), would could come in either chrome or body color depending on the color of the car.

[hemi68charger]

In 1970 they added the racing mirrors (G36), would could come in either chrome or body color depending on the color of the car.

Ahhhhh, now that makes sense.......... 

Troy

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

I'll throw my in on this subject. I have a friend who has a pretty loaded '68 R/T. He has both remote mirrors on his car. I don't have a tag pic, and since I can't read those things anyway, I couldn't tell you if the tag would indicate what style mirrors the car has. In 1969 and 1970, if you had the G31 and G33 on your tag, you should have dual remote mirrors (I think). If you only see a G31 on the tag, it would indicate that you had a drivers side manual mirror only, or so it seemed. We have a few cars in the registry that don't have a code for any mirror on the tag. It was impossible not to get one, so that still remains a mystery. When I get home, I will check the sheets that we have no mirror code for and post the results...Unless Don sees this first and does it.

In 1970 they added the racing mirrors (G36), would could come in either chrome or body color depending on the color of the car.

Chris, I gotta disagree with you on this.

If you had no mirror code on the tag, that is when you got the standard drivers side mirror.   (My car was originally this way.....no "G" codes)
G33 is for remote drivers mirror
G31 is for the "matching" pass side mirror (although its non-remote it matches the drivers side)

Ronnies 69 Coronet R/T convertible is coded for both left & right MANUAL mirrors.   I will get the code #'s off him tonight.

Like I stated before, other models have both the non-remote mirrors.   I have never seen both on a 2nd gen Charger

[hemigeno]

If you had no mirror code on the tag, that is when you got the standard drivers side mirror.   (My car was originally this way.....no "G" codes)
G33 is for remote drivers mirror
G31 is for the "matching" pass side mirror (although its non-remote it matches the drivers side)

Yep, I have two cars with no codes for the mirrors, and they both have the manual mirror (although my R/T has an el-Cheapo JCWhitney replacement mirror that I have to leave on there until I have it repainted).

Ronnies 69 Coronet R/T convertible is coded for both left & right MANUAL mirrors.   I will get the code #'s off him tonight.

Like I stated before, other models have both the non-remote mirrors.   I have never seen both on a 2nd gen Charger

I do not see ANY code in the Sales Code lists for a LH Manual Mirror.   I don't think there is one.   I could be wrong on this one, but I don't see it anywhere in my books.

I'm trashing through my stuff to see if there is a requirement anywhere that the G31 RH Manual Mirror had to be ordered with the G33 LH Remote.   If there is no such requirement, then perhaps a car with G31 coded but no G33 just got a second standard Manual mirror mounted on the RH side??

[68 RT]

My dads new 68 charger had driver remote and manual pass side mirror. From the outside they look the same. If there were pass side remote mirror I would think some one would have seen an upper door pad with the cut out for the knob. I have never seen a pass side upper door pad with a cut out for remote knob.

[Chris G.]

Chris, I gotta disagree with you on this.

If you had no mirror code on the tag, that is when you got the standard drivers side mirror.   (My car was originally this way.....no "G" codes)
G33 is for remote drivers mirror
G31 is for the "matching" pass side mirror (although its non-remote it matches the drivers side)

Ronnies 69 Coronet R/T convertible is coded for both left & right MANUAL mirrors.   I will get the code #'s off him tonight.

Like I stated before, other models have both the non-remote mirrors.   I have never seen both on a 2nd gen Charger

Chris, Geno, Troy etc. I was mistaken when I said passenger side remote mirror. It is a manual mirror, but looks almost identical to a remote mirror.

The tags we have with only the G31 would be for a plain jane style drivers side mirror, right? The thing that has me wondering, we have broadcast sheets with no codes for any mirrors. That's where I'm a bit puzzled?

As far as Coronets and even Plymouths, I'm sure it was quite common for them to have plain Jane Mirrors (except the GTX).

[hemi68charger]

Yes, the passenger side mirror to a driver's remote-control one looks just like it, but reversed... OF course, we're all getting '68 mixed in with '69 and then '70... I, for '70, am talking about there was a driver's and passenger side version of all three mirror styles... Now, in 68 and 69, that's another story..........

Troy

[Chris G.]

I, for '70, am talking about there was a driver's and passenger side version of all three mirror styles... Now, in 68 and 69, that's another story..........

Troy

OK, now it's starting to click Troy. Speaking for 1970 only, if you had only the G31 code on the tag you would get a non remote mirror, but similar looking to the remote style, good so far?

Now, if you didn't have any code on the tag or sheet, you received the el cheapo mirror, correct? I think you have shown me the light.  

The style of mirrors is what was not clicking. I should have known that.  

[Blown70]

OK I know this post may not be right but do any of you need ONE like the TOP ONE IS BULL's #8 reply?

I know I will not use it.

Tom

[hemigeno]

I, for '70, am talking about there was a driver's and passenger side version of all three mirror styles... Now, in 68 and 69, that's another story..........

Troy

OK, now it's starting to click Troy. Speaking for 1970 only, if you had only the G31 code on the tag you would get a non remote mirror, but similar looking to the remote style, good so far?

Now, if you didn't have any code on the tag or sheet, you received the el cheapo mirror, correct? I think you have shown me the light.  

The style of mirrors is what was not clicking. I should have known that.  

That sounds right to me, Chris - but with the caveat that the non-remote (manual) RH mirror would match the style of the LH mirror.  Meaning I don't think they would put the standard manual mirror on the LH side, and the styled mirror (or a chrome/painted racing style) mirror on the RH side.

I was not able to find anything about whether the G31 RH manual mirror could be ordered without the G33 LH Remote mirror.  The only thing I could find was a blurb in the Owners Manual under the manual mirror section that said you could order a Right Side mirror from your dealer.  That implies (to me) that LH manual mirror cars did not come with a RH manual mirror, but it could be purchased and installed from a dealer.  It's still a debatable issue, for sure. 

I, for one, would like to know if you guys could check the '69 and '70 registries to see if the G31 code was ever listed without G33.  That would shed a whole lot of light on the situation for me anyway.

Here's the blurb from the manual:

[Chris G.]

OK I know this post may not be right but do any of you need ONE like the TOP ONE IS BULL's #8 reply?

I know I will not use it.

Tom

Not me, but thanks for the offer. BTW, have you registered your ride with us?   

[Blown70]

OK I know this post may not be right but do any of you need ONE like the TOP ONE IS BULL's #8 reply?

I know I will not use it.

Tom

Not me, but thanks for the offer. BTW, have you registered your ride with us?   

Ok, well I registered on the 70 site but not the car.....  UMM maybe I am a dumb hick but where do I register the car when I get to the site?

[bull]

I've got a second standard manual mirror too and was seriously considering installing it on the RH door of my '68 to match the stock LH mirror. But I honestly don't think I could work up the courage to drill holes in my door.

[Chris G.]

I, for one, would like to know if you guys could check the '69 and '70 registries to see if the G31 code was ever listed without G33.   That would shed a whole lot of light on the situation for me anyway.

Geno, we have 6 cars registered with only G31 on the tag. One car (Hemi) appears to have an original window sticker that lists the G31 mirror as "mirror-manual right outside". Another car we had sent to us appears to have a Galen breakdown, and it also list the G31 as a right hand manual mirror. So once again I'm flip flopping and now thinking that if G31 was on the tag by itself, that would mean you would have dual manual cheapo mirrors. If you had the G31 and G33 together on the tag, you would have the drivers side remote mirror and the passenger side manual mirror, but resembling the drivers side mirror. Now does that sound legit? I'm tired but very interested.

[Chris G.]

Ok, well I registered on the 70 site but not the car.....   UMM maybe I am a dumb hick but where do I register the car when I get to the site?

You registered at the message board. There's a whole 'nother part of the site out there waiting for you to check out. www.1970chargerregistry.com, or you can email me your info, but first check out the registration page here http://1970chargerregistry.com/page2.html . Pictures of any documentation is always preferred.  

admin@1970chargerregistry.com  

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

I, for one, would like to know if you guys could check the '69 and '70 registries to see if the G31 code was ever listed without G33.   That would shed a whole lot of light on the situation for me anyway.

Geno, we have 6 cars registered with only G31 on the tag. One car (Hemi) appears to have an original window sticker that lists the G31 mirror as "mirror-manual right outside". Another car we had sent to us appears to have a Galen breakdown, and it also list the G31 as a right hand manual mirror. So once again I'm flip flopping and now thinking that if G31 was on the tag by itself, that would mean you would have dual manual cheapo mirrors. If you had the G31 and G33 together on the tag, you would have the drivers side remote mirror and the passenger side manual mirror, but resembling the drivers side mirror. Now does that sound legit? I'm tired but very interested.

Chris I believe you are correct.

I got my friends codes off his tag on his 69 Coronet R/T 'vert

He has ONLY G31 for the manual RH mirror.

To me that would mean he got the standard LH mirror   (standard) and opted for the RH matching mirror


Of the 32 cars in the 69 registry that have the G31 code ALL have the G33 code as well.   None have G31 by itself

[Nacho-RT74]

as I told... never have known about passneger side remoted mirror on A, B and E bodies untill 75. Maybe available only on C bodies and that the reason it could exist the code for that. on My 74 Moparts catalog it does exist a graphic of the passeger side remoted mirror with joystick mounted in the middle of dash, below it but if that was an option to B bodies then should exist the cut out to install it at least.


P.S.: just checked on my catalog and ilustration specify LH remote mirror to P,D,C and Y models... those are all C bodies ( Dodges, Monacos, Chryslers adn Imperials )

[Dodge Don]

Okay.....Chris nudged me to weigh in on this. Now I have no info on 68s or 69s (not my bag baby) so this is strictly from a 70 Charger perspective:

All 1970 Chargers came standard with a drivers side (left) manual mirror. As this was standard it would not be reflected on either the fender tag or the broadcast sheet. Manual means you have to roll down the window and adjust the mirror by hand.

Although the above was "standard", the vast majority of 70 Chargers were built with the optional G33 drivers side (left) remote mirror....meaning the driver could adjust the mirror from inside the car. This code is reflected on the fender tag and the broadcast sheet. Cars with the standard manual drivers side mirror are very very rare......only a handfull have been registered versus the huge numbers registered with the G33 option.

Another option was for the G31 passenger side (right) manual mirror....there was never a remote mirror offered for the passenger side. This code is reflected on both the fender tag and the broadcast sheet. The G31 option is obviously rarer than the popular G33 option, and in most cases when G31 is selected the G33 option was also selected......so in the vast majority of cases when a car came with the G31 passenger side mirror the car also had the G33 drivers side remote mirror as well. However, there are cars that, albeit not many, were equipped with the G31 passenger side manual mirror and the standard drivers side manual mirror.....why someone would order this combo is beyond me but they exist, again these are rare. In these odd cases the fender tag and broadcast sheet would reflect the G31 code only.

And finally, a mid-year option was the G36 dual colour keyed racing mirrors. Published references to this mid-year option indicate that it became available on February 12, 1970, however this has not been proven conclusively. These are rare and the earliest car with this option on record in the Registry was built on May 8 1970. As the 1970 model year moved on we see more and more G36 equipped cars popping up with the majority built in the final month of July 1970.....possibly because it was a mid-year released option the dealership sales staff were less familiar with this option and the already printed sales material likely made no reference to it so buyers likely were unaware of this option. They were colour keyed to only EB5, EF8, FJ5, EK2, FK5, FY1 and FC7. I must confess I actually don't know if the drivers side racing mirror was a remote or manual version.....never thought of looking into that.

[hemigeno]

Don,

Do you or does anyone else know whether on the cars with G31 only, was the RH manual mirror just another LH manual mirror attached to the RH door (where the whole head of the mirror moves as it is adjusted), or is it the RH mirror styled after that of the LH remote mirror (with a fixed housing, and the mirror glass adjusts within the housing itself)?

[Dodge Don]

Geno, I've never seen a manual drivers side mirror.....or more to the point, I never look at the mirrors when I see other cars at shows etc. and have never compared the styles....I may have seen them but took no notice.

However, the 70 parts manual shows one manual mirror for Chargers that is designated for left and right use, PN2802710, so I assume the one manual mirror works on both sides.

There is a separate manual mirror "round type" that is the right hand companion to the left remote mirror (G33)

So I can only assume the right mirror selected under the G31 option is dependant on what is on the left side so they match.

[bull]

So Don, are you saying the '70s never came with the smaller of the two manual mirrors pictured on page one of this thread? I'm getting confused believe it or not.

[Dodge Don]

Again....I don't look at mirrors.....except to look at my handsome image 

That said...I believe the smaller mirror with the swivel head is the interchangeable left or right manual mirror that you would see on a 70 Charger that was not coded for the G33 remote drivers mirror. So to be clear, if your fender tag does not show G33 then this is the mirror that would be on the drivers side......and if your fender tag was not coded for G33 but was coded for G31 this would be the exact same mirror that would be mounted on the passenger side as well. Same mirror fits both sides because of the swivel head design.

The larger mirror, the one everyone is most familiar with is the G33 remote mirror style. So if your fender tag was coded for G33 this is the mirror that would be on the drivers side. If your fender tag was coded with both G33 and G31 then the passenger side would have the same style mirror, except it would be a manual version...and the mirror is different in that it is specifically designed for the passenger side since the unit does not swivel.

I would expect that all the drivers doors were pre-drilled for the remote mirror cable assembly.

[Chris G.]

What perfect timing. This ebay car has NO mirror code. Chances of this mirror being changed are probably slim. I am guessing that if this car did have G31 only on the tag, it would get a passenger mirror identical to this one.

Thoughts?

[hemi68charger]

What perfect timing. This ebay car has NO mirror code. Chances of this mirror being changed are probably slim. I am guessing that if this car did have G31 only on the tag, it would get a passenger mirror identical to this one.

Thoughts?

Those are my thoughts as well....... The fender data tag usually reflected options.. That mirror there is standard equipment.... So, why have an "option" code for the data tag.. Now, the other side mirror is another story...... That mirror is like the one I had on my former v-code '70, this picture is back in '83-'84, I can't remember.. But, it's where I found it and it had been there for years........ 

Here:

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Here is my friend Ronnie's 69 Coronet R/T 'vert that has G31 ONLY on the tag.

He has MANUAL (round) mirrors on BOTH sides......

[chargervert]

My 70 R/T SE Has the G36 painted racing mirrors,its FY!,and was built on March 18 1970. I also had another plum crazy 70,march built car that had them too.The purple car was the parts car for the Charger convertible,and if you look at the photos of my convertible you will see that I have the painted mirrors from the purple car on it!

[chargervert]

Also the drivers side racing mirror is a remote mirror,and the passengers side is a manual mirror. The passengers side racing mirror,is shaped different from the drivers side mirror,just like the ones on 70 E bodies,it tapers out to a point! These were 1970 racing mirrors only on B,and E bodies. The 71-74 B,and E body mirrors were the same size and shape left to right.However,the racing mirrors that were used on 1970 B bodies were also used on 1970-1972 A bodies,and were available chrome,or painted.

[Dodge Don]

My 70 R/T SE Has the G36 painted racing mirrors,its FY!,and was built on March 18 1970. I also had another plum crazy 70,march built car that had them too.The purple car was the parts car for the Charger convertible,and if you look at the photos of my convertible you will see that I have the painted mirrors from the purple car on it!

You need to register with the 70 Registry and provide a picture of your fender tag....your build date and G36 option would re-establish the earliest build date with this option.

[chargervert]

Yeah I will get around too it.The cars are in storage,When I get the new garage weather tight I will be moving the cars! Right now there not easily accessable! There is a picture of the yellow 70 R/T SE on my nosecone dry fit thread,but I don't think the mirror can be seen in the photo.There is a really good shot of the passengers side mirror on my convertible in a thread that Old Moparz posted,that is titled Chargerverts pictures on page 7 or 8 of the general discussion forum. Thats what the racing mirrors look like!

[chargervert]

I was able to locate the fender tag from the purple car,and it dosen't list the mirror code. I do have the build sheet for the car,and they are on that. the tag reads as follows.
26 END
M31 N85 R22 V24
H51 J25 J45 J81 L31 M21
V1X A01 A36 B51 C16 C55
FC7 C6XW EW1 318 105818
E86 D32 XS29 U0G 207 XXX
It really was an interesting car,440,auto,A/C,15 inch rallye wheels,hood pins,plum crazy paint,white top,stripe,and interior.It also had a black go wing,black performance hood treatment,with white 440 callout decals,and those painted racing mirrors! I know I have that build sheet somewhere for that car.If I can find it I will post it.

[Chris G.]

Nice car 'Vert.   Is there a chance you can send us a copy of your broadcast sheet and tag? It's all confidential I assure you.

admin@1970chargerregistry.com 

[RTPTRON]

So there's no such thing as two non-remote mirrors on a second gen.? At least not from the factory.

Bull, my 68 has the manual mirror on both sides from the factory, I think?  My fender tag, top roll lower case alpha, has a "7" under the "k" that indicates the feature code 537 "Mirror-Outside RH Manual".  There is nothing under the "m" that is also for mirrors.  I think that that is because the LH manual mirror is standard equipment or part of another package?? The mirrors that were on my car before it was painted were most likely the original equipment because they had the Chrysler logo.  I replaced them with the YearOne mirrors that don't have the logo.

[bull]

So there's no such thing as two non-remote mirrors on a second gen.? At least not from the factory.

Bull, my 68 has the manual mirror on both sides from the factory, I think?  My fender tag, top roll lower case alpha, has a "7" under the "k" that indicates the feature code 537 "Mirror-Outside RH Manual".  There is nothing under the "m" that is also for mirrors.  I think that that is because the LH manual mirror is standard equipment or part of another package?? The mirrors that were on my car before it was painted were most likely the original equipment because they had the Chrysler logo.  I replaced them with the YearOne mirrors that don't have the logo.

I'm dredging this thread up again because I saw RTPTRON's car last Saturday and I (once again) got confused. Ron, do you remember from when you got your car painted how many holes were in your RH door? Did the hole sizes and configuration match the LH door? You Charger is the only second gen I've seen with two of the small, non-remote mirrors on it like this one.

[RTPTRON]

So there's no such thing as two non-remote mirrors on a second gen.? At least not from the factory.

Bull, my 68 has the manual mirror on both sides from the factory, I think?  My fender tag, top roll lower case alpha, has a "7" under the "k" that indicates the feature code 537 "Mirror-Outside RH Manual".  There is nothing under the "m" that is also for mirrors.  I think that that is because the LH manual mirror is standard equipment or part of another package?? The mirrors that were on my car before it was painted were most likely the original equipment because they had the Chrysler logo.  I replaced them with the YearOne mirrors that don't have the logo.

I'm dredging this thread up again because I saw RTPTRON's car last Saturday and I (once again) got confused. Ron, do you remember from when you got your car painted how many holes were in your RH door? Did the hole sizes and configuration match the LH door? You Charger is the only second gen I've seen with two of the small, non-remote mirrors on it like this one.

Bull, it may very well be the only one.  We de-installed the originals and installed the Year One knock offs without making any hole modifications.  The holes looked very smooth like you would expect a factory cut to look.  The mirrors that were on there were OE.  When I registered my car with the Dodge Charger Registry back in 2000 Wayne Wooten decoded my fender tag.  Under the lower case "k" there is a "7" which is feature 537 Mirror RH Manual.  Galen's little code book backs that up.  However, Wayne indicated that the upper case "P" with a "6" is for the LH Manual Mirror and Galen's book indicated that that is feature 426 which is the rear speaker package.

I beleave that there are very few cars equiped this way and that there is a good chance that mine is one of them.  Check for codes under the lower case "k" and/or "m" on your fender tag.  If you don't have a code book let me know what codes are there and I will look it up for you.

Even the "experts" disagree on some of this stuff so who the hell knows for sure.

[bull]

Wow. If that's original it's a very unique feature. If I ever decide to add a mirror to the other side I'll have to use your car as a reference. I doubt I'll ever do it but I really do prefer having two mirrors. Do you have any pictures of your mirrors on the car you would mind posting?

[RTPTRON]

Wow. If that's original it's a very unique feature. If I ever decide to add a mirror to the other side I'll have to use your car as a reference. I doubt I'll ever do it but I really do prefer having two mirrors. Do you have any pictures of your mirrors on the car you would mind posting?

Bull, I have yet to have anybody back me up on this, but no one has really argued that I am wrong either.  Even Dan has kind of stayed nutral on it when I tryed to get his support.

In short, please don't do anything to your car based on my car.  I know you want to be as correct as possible and not have anything on your car that could not have been there from the factory or dealer installed.  I have my above fender tag argument to help back me up.  Make sure you have something from your car to back you up.

[bull]

Wow. If that's original it's a very unique feature. If I ever decide to add a mirror to the other side I'll have to use your car as a reference. I doubt I'll ever do it but I really do prefer having two mirrors. Do you have any pictures of your mirrors on the car you would mind posting?

Bull, I have yet to have anybody back me up on this, but no one has really argued that I am wrong either.  Even Dan has kind of stayed nutral on it when I tryed to get his support.

In short, please don't do anything to your car based on my car.  I know you want to be as correct as possible and not have anything on your car that could not have been there from the factory or dealer installed.  I have my above fender tag argument to help back me up.  Make sure you have something from your car to back you up.

Yea, I'll have enough explaining to do with the black paint job I guess.

[8WHEELER]

Like I told you Ron, I have seen a 68 Dodge Wagon that had the original right and left non remote mirrors.

This was 26yrs ago, and I asked the original owner if the car came with the RH Mirror? he said yes it was original.

That is the only way I can support you, I never did see his fender tag, and back then, I could not have read it.

The only reason I have a RH remote mirror now, is because the DMV says I would be better off with one
because of my physical condition. So if I want my car to be legal for me to drive, or my other cars, I need a
RH mirror.

I will bet a large amount of money, that Ron's RH mirror is in the same spot as mine, I took measurements
off another 70 Charger 20yrs ago, to make sure mine would be in the exact location it would be if it had
come from the factory.

Dan

[RTPTRON]

Yea, I'll have enough explaining to do with the black paint job I guess.

Bull, that is completely different.  Your car could very well have come complete with black paint and many did.  It is possible, but I don't believe probable, that it could not have come with two simple non-remote mirrors.

[dodgecharger-fan]

I'd like to see the fender tag of the car that these came from: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190014883890&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:CA:1

remote mirror delete door pads!

[JimShine]

Here is a sad one. This car was a nicely optioned '69 with dual mirrors (remote and matching non-remote passenger side). I grabbed the passenger door, but I only wish I grabbed the crusty fender tag before someone else did.

[hemigeno]

remote mirror delete door pads!

I didn't think those pads were rare - I have two cars that are not coded for the G33 remote mirror, and their pads look the same as those.  There's just a plug in the space where the mirror remote joystick normally goes.  I've even seen the plug listed for sale separately on eBay a few times.

Am I missing something here?

[dodgecharger-fan]

Am I missing something here?

I've never seen them before. I thought they were fairly rare.
I think it was mentioned above that not too many Chargers cam without a LH remote mirror...

[JimShine]

Yeah, nothing rare about that pad. It is the same on remote cars as well. That plug is a piece of diecast metal with the vinyl grain mimicked on the top and held in with a clip. They paint the plug interior color. Here is my plug I took out of the original pad and swapped into this better pad that came from a remote mirror car.

Yeah, not many Chargers seem to have the non-remote mirror. I love the look of the remote style, but I like being a little different too and since my car came with the standard style, I think I will leave it (but I could change my mind).

[hemigeno]

Chris (Just_6T9) can probably give some much better percentages than I can, but of the Daytona's that I have in my informal Fender Tag registry, about 25% of them came with only the LH manual mirror.

The '69 Registry figures would be much more accurate than my small sampling though...

[Blakcharger440]

I have never seen a 2nd gen charger with a factory body colored mirror and
have never seen one with a passenger side mirror. Obviously they are out there but seem to be rare?

[MGBRingo]

I am at the lake right now and don't have my fender tag codes with me.

My 70 RT SE has the remote left mirror and manual right mirror.  I am pretty sure that it also had the G31 and G33 codes on the tag because I remember decoding them and seeing both the remote left mirror and manual right side mirror listed.

I can check it out on Monday when we get back into town and will post it here.

A good reminder to register my car with the 70 registry also.  I keep forgetting to do it.

Ron

[bull]

I have never seen a 2nd gen charger with a factory body colored mirror and
have never seen one with a passenger side mirror. Obviously they are out there but seem to be rare?

Passenger side mirrors are not that uncommon but 99% of the time when you see one with a passenger side mirror it's a large non-remote that matches the large remote on the driver's side. RTPTRON seems to have proved that at least one 2nd generation Charger came with two small non remote mirrors.

Ron, is it possible that passenger's side mirror was a dealer add-on? Did your original mirrors have two different part numbers or were they identical?

[Chris G.]

I have never seen a 2nd gen charger with a factory body colored mirror and
have never seen one with a passenger side mirror. Obviously they are out there but seem to be rare?

The option in 1970 is G36, which is for the dual "racing" mirrors. It was a mid year option, so you won't see it very often. They could also came in certain colors (pink, blue, sublime, go mango, yellow, burnt orange andplum crazy).

[Chris G.]

I am at the lake right now and don't have my fender tag codes with me.

My 70 RT SE has the remote left mirror and manual right mirror.  I am pretty sure that it also had the G31 and G33 codes on the tag because I remember decoding them and seeing both the remote left mirror and manual right side mirror listed.
.

A good reminder to register my car with the 70 registry also.  I keep forgetting to do it.

Ron

Ron, like you mentioned, you should have the G31 and G33 on the tag for the dual mirrors. Not sure about '69 cars and how they layout.

And registering sounds like a nice plan. 

[69CoronetRT]

I am at the lake right now and don't have my fender tag codes with me.

My 70 RT SE has the remote left mirror and manual right mirror.  I am pretty sure that it also had the G31 and G33 codes on the tag because I remember decoding them and seeing both the remote left mirror and manual right side mirror listed.
.

A good reminder to register my car with the 70 registry also.  I keep forgetting to do it.

Ron

Ron, like you mentioned, you should have the G31 and G33 on the tag for the dual mirrors. Not sure about '69 cars and how they layout.

FWIW---69 STL will code, G31 alone, G33 alone and G31 with G33 when applicable. I'm pretty sure 69 Hamtramck coded the same way but let's see what Chris has to say.

[RTPTRON]

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Ron, is it possible that passenger's side mirror was a dealer add-on? Did your original mirrors have two different part numbers or were they identical?

Bull, My fender tag only identifies the optional outside RH manual mirror.  The stock manual mirror is not on the tag because it was the stock LH small manual mirror. 

On the 68 Fender Tag under the lower case "k" there is a "7" indicating a passenger side manual mirror.  This is the only code on the fender tag for outside mirrors.  I believe that since the fender tag is for optional equipment only (Standard equipment = ( manual LH Mirror).  Then it stands to reason that the fender tag is trying to tell me that I also have the same small manual mirror on the RH side.

Who the hell knows?

[bull]

Your car must have been ordered that way. It sure doesn't fit into what seems to be the norm.

[Ryan.C]

Could you get the G36 racing mirror optioin in crome instead of body color?

[Dodge Don]

Could you get the G36 racing mirror optioin in crome instead of body color?

For 70 the G36 option was color keyed to the following colors: EB5, EF8, FJ5, EK2, FK5, FY1 and FC7.

If the car was not one of those colors then the G36 option was in chrome.

[Ryan.C]

Could you get the G36 racing mirror optioin in crome instead of body color?

For 70 the G36 option was color keyed to the following colors: EB5, EF8, FJ5, EK2, FK5, FY1 and FC7.

If the car was not one of those colors then the G36 option was in chrome.

Thanks much