What's Your Feelings on these Wiretapps?...

[nh_mopar_fan]

The ACLU was founded by a communist, Roger Baldwin.

Here's an interesting quote from the founder:

"We are for SOCIALISM, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the state itself... We seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and the SOLE CONTROL of those who produce wealth. COMMUNISM is the goal."

Their stand on child pornography...

"We support the prosecution of child pornographers under existing laws for the harm they inflict on children. But we believe government may not restrict the distribution of child pornography once it has been published."

and then there's their view that sex education classes in school include information on monogomous relationships:

"It is our position that monogamous, heterosexual intercourse within marriage
       as a traditional American value is an unconstitutional establishment of religious
       doctrine in public schools.... We believe [this bill] violates the First Amendment."

[TK73]

I'm learning quite a bit about this organization from you guys.

That Baldwin guy had quit an interesting bio:

http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/unitarians/baldwin.html

"Roger Baldwin, when reflecting on his life, said that in his early years he not only regularly attended the Unitarian Church in Wellesley Hills, Massachusetts; he also helped to teach in the Sunday School and even listened to the preacher. He added, “I would say that social work began in my mind in the Unitarian Church when I was ten or twelve years old, and I started to do things that I thought would help other people.”

He was also appointed by MacArthur to a position in post-was Japan:

"Nevertheless, during the postwar period Baldwin's respectability and celebrity status both mounted. In 1947 General Douglas MacArthur arranged for Baldwin to serve as a civil liberties consultant in Japan; he also visited Korea during his Asian stay."

[TK73]

NH, would you cite your references when you post them?  The quote you posted was close, did you get it from here? http://dianedew.com/aclu.htm


The actual quote is here: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Roger_Nash_Baldwin

[TK73]

I didn't realize the ACLU was involved in that Pennsylvania "intelligent design" case, good job!! 


I like this:

"The ACLU defends Americans' constitutional right to exercise religious beliefs or no religion at all, free from government promotion of faith-based doctrine or activities."

[Afflyer]

Like I said TK...it's all moot with the likes of you. 

Just agree to disagree and move on.  Or in your case- move on. org.

[Afflyer]

So lets review shall we. The ACLU are a bunch of perverts who think it's ok for Nambla to play their boyrape games, they hate AMERICAN things like Christmas, "In God we trust" on money, and lets be honest, the ACLU supports the very terrorists who want to nuke you. Every action they take is in opposition to the war on terror (That's treason for those of you in Rio Linda) These activities are not very American, in fact, on appearance they seem very un-American to me.

Now can we get back to the matter at hand?  Something about wire taps?

Again...I say tap tap tap away.

[TK73]

Like I said TK...it's all moot with the likes of you. 

Just agree to disagree and move on.  Or in your case- move on. org.

don't support moveon.org either... 

[Afflyer]

Really?   Hmmm..that honestly suprises me.   Really.   You know if there's one thing you and I can agree on, it's that our total posts number is growing!

[TK73]

I actually am not politically active, I do vote but don't support any political organizations.  This ACLU seems to do quite a bit of good work...

[TK73]

You know if there's one thing you and I can agree on, it's that our total posts number is growing!

Can I get an AMEN!!   

[Afflyer]

Looks like we can finally agree on something for cripes sake!

[Afflyer]

How come Troy locked that old Al Qaida thread?  Whothehell would that offend?

[TK73]

I was wondering how I could get a large post count and not look TOO obvious...

[Afflyer]

 

This ACLU seems to do quite a bit of good work...

[Charger Aficionado]

  I wonder how many Veteran's (that died for our freedom) will turn-over in their graves when they dig up the Crosses at Arlington National Cemetery...

They're gonna make this guy dig up his: 
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2002/12/24/state0259EST0195.DTL

[Johnny SixPack]

Hot chicks are fun to look at.

I think we can all agree on that.

Well, obiviously we'll get some smart@$$ asking what qualifies as hot, and then Ponch, or maybe Vain, will ask if they can substitute hot guys, but it'll really go downhill after Andy tell someone to f*** off.

D@mn, breathing still really rocks though, right?

Interesting read in any case.

[TK73]

So lets review shall we. The ACLU are a bunch of perverts who think it's ok for Nambla to play their boyrape games, they hate AMERICAN things like Christmas, "In God we trust" on money, and lets be honest, the ACLU supports the very terrorists who want to nuke you. Every action they take is in opposition to the war on terror (That's treason for those of you in Rio Linda) These activities are not very American, in fact, on appearance they seem very un-American to me.

Now can we get back to the matter at hand?  Something about wire taps?

Again...I say tap tap tap away.

I actually don't have a stand on the wire tapping issue either... they can listen to all the sex talk I do with the girlfriend all they want, doesn't bother me.

[TK73]

  I wonder how many Veteran's (that died for our freedom) will turn-over in their graves when they dig up the Crosses at Arlington National Cemetery...

They're gonna make this guy dig up his: 
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2002/12/24/state0259EST0195.DTL

Do your research first:

"Accordingly, the ACLU has stated that it is not seeking to have cross-shaped headstones (or headstones bearing any other religious symbols) removed from the federal cemeteries wherein honored U.S. veterans are interred:
'The ACLU is not pursuing, nor has it ever pursued, the removal of religious symbols from personal gravestones. Personal gravestones are the choice of the family members, not the choice of the government.'"

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/cemetery.asp

[TK73]

This ACLU seems to do quite a bit of good work...

I repeat:

"I didn't realize the ACLU was involved in that Pennsylvania "intelligent design" case, good job!!   "

[Afflyer]

'The ACLU is not pursuing, nor has it ever pursued, the removal of religious symbols from personal gravestones. Personal gravestones are the choice of the family members, not the choice of the government.'"

Only time will tell TK.  It may not be on their radar.  Not yet anyway.

[Troy]

How come Troy locked that old Al Qaida thread? Whothehell would that offend?

Apparently the people who complain about it every time it's posted. You could just ask me in a PM.

Troy

[bull]

This hasn't gotten locked yet? Are the mods really in the Christmas spirit, or are we being too civil? Are we just a bunch of pansies who've finally learned to get along? What a horrible thought.

[Afflyer]

I'm surprised it hasn't been  too Bull.  Tempers have cooled I suppose.

[TK73]

This hasn't gotten locked yet? Are the mods are really in the Christmas spirit, or are we being too civil? Are we just a bunch of pansies who've finally learned to get along? What a horrible thought.

Put 'em up ther Bull 

[bull]

This hasn't gotten locked yet? Are the mods are really in the Christmas spirit, or are we being too civil? Are we just a bunch of pansies who've finally learned to get along? What a horrible thought.

Put 'em up ther Bull  

You wanna step outside? Go ahead, I'll be there in a minute.