What's Your Feelings on these Wiretapps?...

[Charger_Fan]

Looks like the Patriot Act has some breath left........

Troy

Yep, hopefully they can make enough adjustments to appease the whiners & keep it breathing.

[73dodge]

I like how this is blown all out of proportions but not a word being said that this protocol was implimented by that wonderful statesman Jimmy Carter. No one in the LIBERAL media gave a damn then.

Also I like how they report this is a the President is SPYING on Americans. But these "Americans" are tied to terrorists groups. Funny how they don't say that he was spying on suspected terrorists.

[hemi68charger]

I like how this is blown all out of proportions but not a word being said that this protocol was implimented by that wonderful statesman Jimmy Carter. No one in the LIBERAL media gave a damn then.

Also I like how they report this is a the President is SPYING on Americans. But these "Americans" are tied to terrorists groups. Funny how they don't say that he was spying on suspected terrorists.

Yeap,, when was the last time you heard Grandma getting spied on?

Troy

[ChargerBill]

It's all slanted, spun, twisted, misrepresented, exaggerated, and obfuscated by the media...why anyone even pays attention is a mystery to me.

[TK73]

Bill, would you please let off on the "liberal media" bullshit?

[ChargerBill]

sorry.... I'll edit it.

[bull]

Before you give me the whole "the Patriot Act prevents terrorism" song and dance, remember one thing.

Here's your song and dance, OC:

[tomonty]

Before you give me the whole "the Patriot Act prevents terrorism" song and dance, remember one thing.

Before 9/11, the FBI was aware that there would be a terrorist attack and they knew HOW it was gonna happen.

This was before the patriot act occured.

We had plenty of intelligence telling us Pearl Harbor was going to happen as well, but no one did anything about it. I don't think any one law can prevent a highly motivated individual or group set on wreaking havoc and destruction. And that is one thing a lot of Americans are forgetting; these Islamic Extremists are highly motivated about killing Americans and our way of life. The biggest similarity between 9/11 and Pearl Harbor is that both happened at a time in American history where we had relative peace and we got complacent. We cannot afford to get complacent now because we are not fighting a conventional enemy like the Japanese. We are fighting a way of life for a large group of people. In Iran they have people signing up to be suicide bombers left and right. They think they will go to heaven if they wipe out the 'infidels'.  I am all for the Patriot Act..in the years since it was first passed into law, I have never once felt like my freedoms were threatened, and if it does anything at all to prevent these people from attacking us, then wiretap away.  Is it scary to think about how our freedoms might be diminished a little bit? Dang right it is. But watching an American get his head cut off on the internet is way more scary to me. Shows that these people will stop at nothing and that they hate our freedoms and will kill us all if they have the chance...just my

Mike

[Old Moparz]

I'm not going off the topic too far, but I don't think the term "Liberal Media" holds too much water anymore. Most of the companies that own & run newspapers, TV stations, radio stations, & magazine publishers, are all part of larger companies, (& there are only a few of them by the way) that have their hands into controlling what is said & done. On top of that, they lobby & buy most politicians of both the Republican & Democratic parties. There is such a blur of both parties now, that donkeys have trunks & elephants kick & eat carrots. I don't follow or believe anyone on either side in office, it's 99% self serving with almost no reason to do anything except line up a future job contact, & get health care & retirement benefits for life.

It's still the only country I'd want to live in, but watch & question everyone, not just one side.

[my73charger]

Actually, enough nukes and all that sand would turn to glass...it woulde be a pretty and sparkly parking lot.

Seriously though, all this anti-war and anti-Bush obfuscation is fine and dandy, but it isn't going to get the job done now is it? War isn't pretty, isn't simple and isn't a bed of roses. We ARE at war with terrorists and we need these capabilities (and IMO more) to keep track of them and hinder any future attacks. The liberal media is a bunch of pansy turncoats, and anyone who buys into their BS is just sticking their head in the sand and fooling ONLY themselves.

Amen!

[bull]

I'm not going off the topic too far, but I don't think the term "Liberal Media" holds too much water anymore. Most of the companies that own & run newspapers, TV stations, radio stations, & magazine publishers, are all part of larger companies, (& there are only a few of them by the way) that have their hands into controlling what is said & done. On top of that, they lobby & buy most politicians of both the Republican & Democratic parties. There is such a blur of both parties now, that donkeys have trunks & elephants kick & eat carrots. I don't follow or believe anyone on either side in office, it's 99% self serving with almost no reason to do anything except line up a future job contact, & get health care & retirement benefits for life.

It's still the only country I'd want to live in, but watch & question everyone, not just one side.

I don't think there's a liberal conspiracy in the media but I know from working in journalism that most people who work in that field are much more politically liberal than half the US population at least. Liberals are drawn to that field because they are usually the creative, performance, artsy types. I also think most of them do try to hold back and remain unbiased on the issues but quite often their true colors can't help but expose themselves when it comes to emotionally-driven subjects. Generally, the corporate big wigs will stay out of the day-to-day decision-making when it comes to what stories to run and how to approach them. As long as there's a profit they don't much care how the news is told.

[my73charger]

Theres probably a lot truth to that...You artsie fartsie liberals!   

[General_01]

Personally, I don't think people have a problem with wiretaps. I think where the problem comes in is that a judge did not hear the evidence and issue the warrants. That is what "checks and balances" means. Bush wants to be able to act expediantly. I understand that. Maybe they should schedule to meet with the judge twice a week or something instead of every 45 days. Instead, the administration undermines the system and the President OK's the wiretaps. I think this is what people have a problem with. I have a problem with that part of the situation, not that they are wiretapping suspected terrorists.

[hemi68charger]

It's all slanted, spun, twisted, misrepresented, exaggerated, and obfuscated by the media...why anyone even pays attention is a mystery to me.

The media IS sort of slanted.. I'm afraid that's the cold truth... I wouldn't equate it too much to liberalism, but to viewing statistics.... When was the last time you heard from the media a child getting saved by a US hospital over there or a school being built.. The only thing you hear and see is very violent and visually stimulating explosions and death. The later coverage sells, the fomer doesn't... I for one can say something, I've seen it. I've been to Iraq and heard tales from locals and have talked to service members who ARE THERE.. My step-brother is on his second tour..... 

On the subject at hand, I don't persay think it's the "liberal media" as some would say causing all the uproar, it's the Democrats (Yes, I know there are a couple of Republicans as well). I've heard all the stories, they are just trying to make sure American civil liberties aren't being compromised.. Well, this Act has only been around and on paper for MANY years... Again, why now all of a sudden are there problems?

Yours truely,,
Troy

[CFMopar]

As a kinda Libertarian myself, this may shock you, but I say hunt them down now while we still can, before a NUKE goes off in your city. I think if you're not an Islamic Fascist with a Nuclear bomb, then you have nothing to worry about.

A libertarian ? Your the last person I would've considered that....


Anyways
No one wire taps chuck norris. The last person who tried lost his head from a round house kick

[Charger_Fan]

Anyways
No one wire taps chuck norris. The last person who tried lost his head from a round house kick

I'm thinkin' you need a Chuck quote in your sig.

[CFMopar]

Ask and you shall recive

[Big Lebowski]

As a kinda Libertarian myself, this may shock you, but I say hunt them down now while we still can, before a NUKE goes off in your city. I think if you're not an Islamic Fascist with a Nuclear bomb, then you have nothing to worry about.

A libertarian ? Your the last person I would've considered that....


Anyways
No one wire taps chuck norris. The last person who tried lost his head from a round house kick

  Ya 9/11 put me into the "Lets Win the war catagory" Sen. Ted "hic-cup" the swimmer Kennedy disagrees. Thank God he's not in charge.

[TK73]

I like how this is blown all out of proportions but not a word being said that this protocol was implimented by that wonderful statesman Jimmy Carter. No one in the LIBERAL media gave a damn then.

Also I like how they report this is a the President is SPYING on Americans. But these "Americans" are tied to terrorists groups. Funny how they don't say that he was spying on suspected terrorists.

I really don't know anything about this, can you explain the Carter connection?

According to this article the issue date to the Reagan administration:

"Alito memo backed wiretap immunity for officials

By Donna Cassata

The Associated Press

WASHINGTON â€" Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito defended the right of government officials to order domestic wiretaps when he worked for the Reagan Justice Department, documents released today show."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002700966_webalito23.html

[TK73]

sorry.... I'll edit it.

Thanks man, appreciate the consideration.

[73dodge]

I like how this is blown all out of proportions but not a word being said that this protocol was implimented by that wonderful statesman Jimmy Carter. No one in the LIBERAL media gave a damn then.

Also I like how they report this is a the President is SPYING on Americans. But these "Americans" are tied to terrorists groups. Funny how they don't say that he was spying on suspected terrorists.

I really don't know anything about this, can you explain the Carter connection?

According to this article the issue date to the Reagan administration:

"Alito memo backed wiretap immunity for officials

By Donna Cassata

The Associated Press

WASHINGTON â€" Supreme Court nominee Samuel Alito defended the right of government officials to order domestic wiretaps when he worked for the Reagan Justice Department, documents released today show."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002700966_webalito23.html

The FISA act was implimented in 1978 the Carter Administration.

Just about every president since then has used the domestic survelance provision in this act.

Because Bush is a Republican means suddenly it's an illegal act and he is doing something against the law.

Reagan used it
Bush I used it
Clinton used 


Now it's illegal................

Hmmmm go figure


http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/

the link notice when it was first enacted

[73dodge]

here the report for congress in 1979 right after this was enacted

The Vice President
United States Senate
Washington, D.C. 20510

Dear Mr. Vice President:

This report is submitted pursuant to Section 107 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978, Title 50, United States Code Section 1807.

During calendar year 1979, 199 applications were made for orders and extensions of orders approving electronic surveillance under the Act. The United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court issued 207 orders granting authority for the requested electronic surveillances. No orders were entered which modified or denied the requested authority.

            Respectfully submitted,

            Benjamin R. Civiletti
            Attorney General


So Carter was the first to use this

[73-charger-383]

I think the point is kinda being missed.  --correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't the "scandel" that Bush didn't go to the United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court for the "right" to eavesdrop?  I'm all for the wiretaps if they are on suspected terrioists, but it's up to the court to decide ...isn't it?
  --Like i said, correct me if i'm wrong......but if Bush had went through the proper channels (like Carter, Clinton, and Bush I), there wouldn't be anything "unlawful" about it. - I think the debate is if the president has the power to bypass the Surveilance Court.

[General_01]

I agree with you 73. That is what the issue is about, not that wiretapping is going on. I think some people are missing this point.

[purple70rt]

sorry.... I'll edit it.

Thanks man, appreciate the consideration.

Why should you have to edit your feelings??