That's it, crush their dreams and make them bow to the govt. early in life...

[bull]

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/100029544.html

Oregon County shuts down kid's lemonade stand

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - It's hardly unusual to hear small business owners gripe about licensing requirements or complain that heavy-handed regulations are driving them into the red.

So when Multnomah County shut down an enterprise last week for operating without a license, you might just sigh and say, there they go again.

Except this entrepreneur was a 7-year-old named Julie Murphy. Her business was a lemonade stand at the Last Thursday monthly art fair. The government regulation she violated? Failing to get a $120 temporary restaurant license.

[Tilar]

Unbelievable.   

[Ponch ®]

the law is the law.

[Tilar]

Good comment from the article:

We let illegals have all of these under the table jobs with no permits and no taxes paid yet we stifle the ambition and productivity of a 7 year old girl who was trying to have some fun and make a little money.

This is a good example proving that law makes no concessions for common sense.

[mikepmcs]

unless her parents sent her out there to make them some money, then it could be looked at a little differently.

i do agree though. let the kid sell the junk, but .50.  what the heck happened to a nickel!

[Brock Samson]

 Al Swearingen had a point...

[mikepmcs]

hey Dave, is that one guy still beating the canvas down there at the wharf.  I remember watching him and his son, collecting the money, packing up and getting in a brand newish mercedes.  this was many years ago but i bet the taxes weren't being paid by that gentleman.....
i guess my question is...are there laws that apply to street performers or do they just turn a blind eye.

[RD]

i guess my question is...are there laws that apply to street performers or do they just turn a blind eye.

you got that right!  sorry, this is fracken bullshiza.  do they expect her to file taxes next?  azzhulls.

"As far as Last Thursday is concerned, people know when they are coming there that it's more or less a free-for-all," she said. "It's gotten to the point where they need to be in all of our decisions. They don't trust us to make good choices on our own."

government is getting too dang big if you ask me.  big brother is watching you!

[Brock Samson]

hey Dave, is that one guy still beating the canvas down there at the wharf.  I remember watching him and his son, collecting the money, packing up and getting in a brand newish mercedes.  this was many years ago but i bet the taxes weren't being paid by that gentleman.....
i guess my question is...are there laws that apply to street performers or do they just turn a blind eye.

well they have to have a city Business Lic. now and i belive it's $120 a yr for the permit. and any designated "street performer" is alloted a location by a Committee at City Hall,.. so you can't just pull your acoustic guitar out on height street anymore or you'll get some sort of ticket, though I don't know what the fine is.
Have you heard about the "don't sit/lie" law?.. It makes it a tickitable offence to sit or lie on the sidewalk...
   http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-03-28/bay-area/20447391_1_sidewalk-san-francisco-sit

 This guy is my Fav. known as the bushman he sits outside one of my regular haunts and i love to watch him make the tourists scream and run away... he's been doing this in excess of 20 years now...

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zURVJnQjHkA     
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2NW_iL0hLQ       

[bull]

the law is the law.

Good point. If it weren't in place we'd have 14-year-old illegal aliens selling possum burritos out of the trunks of their Fords.

[bakerhillpins]

the law is the law.

Good point. If it weren't in place we'd have 14-year-old illegal aliens selling possum burritos out of the trunks of their Fords.

   

Them sound yummie...   

[Darkman]

This is a good example proving that law makes no concessions for common sense.

No such thing as common sense!

what the heck happened to a nickel!

Inflation....and she now has to cover the $120 for her licence

[TruckDriver]

And people think America is so great of a country.......................... PLEEEEEEEEEEEAAASE

[Ghoste]

America is a great country.  It's pompous political bureaucrats with enormous egos and teeny tiny little brains that need an enema in their ear canal.

[elacruze]

VOTE!!

[TK73]

VOTE!!

For what?

[bull]

VOTE!!

For what?

For the opposite candidate/issue as TK73!

[stripedelete]

She got off easy.   Look at that sign! It doesn't have a brick base, no back lighting, wrong materials, to low, unapproved color ....fonts....letter height......................

[Tilar]

I see on the news this morning that they apologized to her.

[Old Moparz]

the law is the law.

I agree, but if I was the person working the fair checking permits I'd have ignored it unless it was an actual complaint from another vendor. If you read just the headline & see the little kid's photo, you might think that the establishment is out to crush the profits she's going to make by forcing her to get a license. The difference is, it isn't a kid at the end of her driveway in front of her own house, it's an art fair where other food vendors all paid to get a spot & sell the overpriced crap they have, like a $4 bottle of water or an $8 hockey puck burger. The kid didn't drive herself to the fair, her parents did & should have bought her the damn food vendor license instead of another freakin' video game. 

Vendor fees suck, but that's life so get used to it.

[Silver R/T]

Oregon is f((((d up, they won't even let you pump your own gas.

[PocketThunder]

Vendor fees suck, but that's life so get used to it.

Whats the purpose of the money paid for in a vendor fee anyways?  What does the "public" need the money for so that the vendor can operate?

[Brock Samson]

 I suspect the "Govt". be it Federal, State or Local will be squeezing at every turn to pay for their poor planning Huge saleries, pensions, perks and upside down mathematics, Moreover, They will begin to sanction previously taboo practices if they think they can pick folks pockets via fees, taxes, permits and citations. the Pot Clubs and Growers and some other questionable practices I will not name that come to mind. 
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0529/oakland-city-tax-license-marijuana-production/
Govt. Greed is written all over this issue. Oakland Calif. is a super screwed up bureaucracy from soup to nuts.

[last426]

Whats the purpose of the money paid for in a vendor fee anyways?  What does the "public" need the money for so that the vendor can operate?

Extra police duty, extra animal control duty, extra health department duty and on and on. 

[Old Moparz]

Vendor fees suck, but that's life so get used to it.

Whats the purpose of the money paid for in a vendor fee anyways?  What does the "public" need the money for so that the vendor can operate?

Vendor fees get broken down into many categories....

5 % covers administrative meetings to decide which department will administer the permit, such as health, recreation, building, etc.
5 % covers the administrative process of how the permit will be designed, processed, & issued.
5 % covers cost of redesigning the permit & the process for each department to prevent familiarities & convenience.
5 % covers administration expenses of issuing the permit including data entry, printing, copying, & issuance.
5 % covers indirect expenses, such as the employee that doesn't issue permits but covers for the only person on break that knows the process.
25 % covers the expenses involved in the field such as the inspector's salary, health benefits, company vehicle, forms, photo I.D, & clipboard.
10 % covers the code enforcement violation process including the levying of fines & warnings.
15 % covers miscellaneous overhead including the building maintenance costs, gas, electric, etc.
20 % covers legal fees for consultation to make sure the interpretation of the permit process doesn't violate any existing codes & laws.
5 % covers the cost of public relations in case someone like the lemonade girl becomes a news story.

[chargerboy69]

VOTE!!

For what?

For the opposite candidate/issue as TK73!

 


Bull, You ready to make the move from the west coast to the mid-west yet? Personally I would go nuts out there. But, it is not like we do not do stupid s#!t here in Indiana.  

[Ponch ®]

Would we be reacting the same way if instead of a cute 7 year old girl it had been a 35 year old unemployed male, also trying to sell lemonade for .50 "to earn a little extra summer loot"?

Besides, from what I'm reading it wasn't even real lemonade. It was friggin Kool Aid! Is it too ponderous a task to cut and squeeze a few lemons...?

[Old Moparz]

Would we be reacting the same way if instead of a cute 7 year old girl it had been a 35 year old unemployed male, also trying to sell lemonade for .50 "to earn a little extra summer loot"?

Besides, from what I'm reading it wasn't even real lemonade. It was friggin Kool Aid! Is it too ponderous a task to cut and squeeze a few lemons...?

Yes, people would have taken part of a public lynching & called for new laws.

Real lemons over Kool Aid? Are you just trying to make sure that the migrant workers keep their jobs picking lemons?    

[Ponch ®]

Real lemons over Kool Aid? Are you just trying to make sure that the migrant workers keep their jobs picking lemons?    

yeah, but only the properly documented ones.

[Old Moparz]

Real lemons over Kool Aid? Are you just trying to make sure that the migrant workers keep their jobs picking lemons?    

yeah, but only the properly documented ones.

I think we should require permits now to pick lemons, but only issue the permits to a legal citizen. (If it's legal to do that.) Besides, it won't be racist if you ask a lemon picker to see his permit to pick lemons.

[TK73]

VOTE!!

For what?

For the opposite candidate/issue as TK73!

45.66% of the country did last Presidential election, not quite a majority   

[bull]

Bull, You ready to make the move from the west coast to the mid-west yet? Personally I would go nuts out there. But, it is not like we do not do stupid s#!t here in Indiana.  

Totally. I feel like one of a few uninfected people among a bloodthirsty throng of Gorey zombies.

[John_Kunkel]

I agree, but if I was the person working the fair checking permits I'd have ignored it unless it was an actual complaint from another vendor.

That's one possibility all of the "government sucks" people are overlooking, any vendor who has to live with overhead costs is gonna snitch off somebody getting off with no fees.

So, where lies the evil here, government or business?

[rav440]

She got off easy.   Look at that sign! It doesn't have a brick base, no back lighting, wrong materials, to low, unapproved color ....fonts....letter height......................

[Ghoste]

I agree, but if I was the person working the fair checking permits I'd have ignored it unless it was an actual complaint from another vendor.

That's one possibility all of the "government sucks" people are overlooking, any vendor who has to live with overhead costs is gonna snitch off somebody getting off with no fees.

So, where lies the evil here, government or business?

Although I rarely agree with you on anything political, I would add a third evil to your list and ask what about the media who set the story up in the first place to portray it in such a way as to look like the child was getting the hammer of beaurocracy down on her head.  Yes, they told the rest of the story but they certainly knew that most of us (myself included) would just look at the first part quickly and form an opinion. 
I would say there are a few parties sharing the guilt here.

[Old Moparz]

I agree, but if I was the person working the fair checking permits I'd have ignored it unless it was an actual complaint from another vendor.

That's one possibility all of the "government sucks" people are overlooking, any vendor who has to live with overhead costs is gonna snitch off somebody getting off with no fees.

So, where lies the evil here, government or business?

Although I rarely agree with you on anything political, I would add a third evil to your list and ask what about the media who set the story up in the first place to portray it in such a way as to look like the child was getting the hammer of beaurocracy down on her head.  Yes, they told the rest of the story but they certainly knew that most of us (myself included) would just look at the first part quickly and form an opinion. 
I would say there are a few parties sharing the guilt here.

Very true. The first things I think about after reading or hearing ANY news story, is why is this story news, & why is this particular source presenting it to the public. There's always an agenda behind it whether it's an important story or not. Too bad news isn't reported as a not-for-profit service.

[Ghoste]

I applaud you.  Even though I know better, I am very guilty of doing like most of the rest of the public and just viewing the "trailers" that the news-o-tainment industry throws out.

[Old Moparz]

I applaud you.  Even though I know better, I am very guilty of doing like most of the rest of the public and just viewing the "trailers" that the news-o-tainment industry throws out.

Don't applaud me, I'm just an optimistic pessimist.   

[Tilar]

Don't applaud me, I'm just an optimistic pessimist.   

So you're confident that everything is going to hell in a hand basket?    

[bull]

I don't think there's much of an agenda here other than it's an odd story, and odd stories by definition create interest. I would say it's unusual for a kid to be threatened with a fine for selling lemonade.

[Ponch ®]

I don't think there's much of an agenda here other than it's an odd story, and odd stories by definition create interest. I would say it's unusual for a kid to be threatened with a fine for selling lemonade.

Unusual, yes. Interesting, maybe. But even the title of the thread makes it sound like the poor little girl wasn't doing anything wrong (technically, she was) and the ATF  showed up SWAT-style and took her in like she was selling MOPAR parts at Carlisle....

[bull]

I don't think there's much of an agenda here other than it's an odd story, and odd stories by definition create interest. I would say it's unusual for a kid to be threatened with a fine for selling lemonade.

Unusual, yes. Interesting, maybe. But even the title of the thread makes it sound like the poor little girl wasn't doing anything wrong (technically, she was) and the ATF  showed up SWAT-style and took her in like she was selling MOPAR parts at Carlisle....

Technically, we all do something wrong every day. But I think this is a good example when the spirit of the law should have superceded the letter of the law. Jeff Cogen, chairman of the Multnomah County Board of Commissions, seems to agree while apologizing on behalf of the county: "Our health department what they were trying to do, I understand...I just feel like we have to be able to distinguish between a 7 year old, who is selling lemonade and trying to learn about business and someone who actually has a business," Cogen said.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/05/oregon-county-apologies-year-old-girl-saying-lemonade-stand/

[Old Moparz]

I don't think there's much of an agenda here other than it's an odd story, and odd stories by definition create interest. I would say it's unusual for a kid to be threatened with a fine for selling lemonade.

Unusual, yes. Interesting, maybe. But even the title of the thread makes it sound like the poor little girl wasn't doing anything wrong (technically, she was) and the ATF  showed up SWAT-style and took her in like she was selling MOPAR parts at Carlisle....

Technically, we all do something wrong every day. But I think this is a good example when the spirit of the law should have superceded the letter of the law. Jeff Cogen, chairman of the Multnomah County Board of Commissions, seems to agree while apologizing on behalf of the county: "Our health department what they were trying to do, I understand...I just feel like we have to be able to distinguish between a 7 year old, who is selling lemonade and trying to learn about business and someone who actually has a business," Cogen said.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/05/oregon-county-apologies-year-old-girl-saying-lemonade-stand/

I bet nobody would have apologized if the little 7 year old girl was dropped off by Aftaab & Fawziya, wore a burqa & was selling camel's milk.

[bull]

I don't think there's much of an agenda here other than it's an odd story, and odd stories by definition create interest. I would say it's unusual for a kid to be threatened with a fine for selling lemonade.

Unusual, yes. Interesting, maybe. But even the title of the thread makes it sound like the poor little girl wasn't doing anything wrong (technically, she was) and the ATF  showed up SWAT-style and took her in like she was selling MOPAR parts at Carlisle....

Technically, we all do something wrong every day. But I think this is a good example when the spirit of the law should have superceded the letter of the law. Jeff Cogen, chairman of the Multnomah County Board of Commissions, seems to agree while apologizing on behalf of the county: "Our health department what they were trying to do, I understand...I just feel like we have to be able to distinguish between a 7 year old, who is selling lemonade and trying to learn about business and someone who actually has a business," Cogen said.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/05/oregon-county-apologies-year-old-girl-saying-lemonade-stand/

I bet nobody would have apologized if the little 7 year old girl was dropped off by Aftaab & Fawziya, wore a burqa & was selling camel's milk.

Oh, so now it's got racist undertones too?

[Old Moparz]

I don't think there's much of an agenda here other than it's an odd story, and odd stories by definition create interest. I would say it's unusual for a kid to be threatened with a fine for selling lemonade.

Unusual, yes. Interesting, maybe. But even the title of the thread makes it sound like the poor little girl wasn't doing anything wrong (technically, she was) and the ATF  showed up SWAT-style and took her in like she was selling MOPAR parts at Carlisle....

Technically, we all do something wrong every day. But I think this is a good example when the spirit of the law should have superceded the letter of the law. Jeff Cogen, chairman of the Multnomah County Board of Commissions, seems to agree while apologizing on behalf of the county: "Our health department what they were trying to do, I understand...I just feel like we have to be able to distinguish between a 7 year old, who is selling lemonade and trying to learn about business and someone who actually has a business," Cogen said.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/08/05/oregon-county-apologies-year-old-girl-saying-lemonade-stand/

I bet nobody would have apologized if the little 7 year old girl was dropped off by Aftaab & Fawziya, wore a burqa & was selling camel's milk.

Oh, so now it's got racist undertones too?

Of course there is racist undertones, you can't see it, Bull? Her last name is Murphy, an Irish name. The health inspector is Kawaguchi, a Japanese name. Japan was on Germany's side in WW2 & Ireland gotten blown to hell from Germany. Since Japan lost the war & just still pissed off, what better way to feel good than to badger some 7 year old lemonade punk?   

[bull]

Oh, sorry. I wasn't wearing my "They Live" glasses when I read it before.

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