'71 Charger R/T

[furray]

 I have no picture so I know it would be hard to put a price on this car but I just need a general guideline to go by. I've been trying to get the owner to sell but as usual there is sentiment and the gon'a fix her up some day but after 2 long years of stoping and kindly asking I was finally aloud to take a quick look at it. Being aloud only to remove the tarp far enough to see the vin I saw the U code. The windshild was missing, black interior, buckets, console, only disapointment was no factory tach. The carpet was missing and I only saw 2 small holes in the floor pans. The front clip is off and in pieces,as well as the front suspension, so it isn't even a roller at this point. He says there is a air grabber hood but some pieces are stored off this property so I didn't see it. (this car could have been wrecked, I wasn't going to ask any pointed questions at this time ) The engine was in a shed and it looked clean, valve covers and intake were off. The 18 spline trans, bell housing and pistol grip shifter were laying close by also. It has the Dana 60 rear axle as well. It's Hemi orange, has the R/T doors,tail lights and a rear spoiler. Questions, I'd be suprised if it wasn't a real R/T but how do I tell for sure if I can get a better look ? He claims it's all # matching. How much could it really be worth not knowing anything about it and it being so torn apart ?

[hemi-hampton]

If you got close enough to see the U in the VIN then you should of got close enough to see the S for 2nd digit. This S will tell you real R/T. Should be WS23U1. Rare car with only 332 made. How much does he want? LEON.

[furray]

If you got close enough to see the U in the VIN then you should of got close enough to see the S for 2nd digit. This S will tell you real R/T. Should be WS23U1. Rare car with only 332 made. How much does he want? LEON.

I'm not sure about the 2nd # but I have no valid reason to doubt it, they are the 2nd owners. Thanks for the heads up on the S code, thats the kind of stuff thats good to know. It's taken more than 2 years of rejection to get this close. I wouldn't dare try to talk money now cause the money doesn't matter to them. I am wondering if it ever gets that far just roughly what to offer. Looks like a $1500-$1800 car to me but I could be way wrong.

[RD]

ramcharger hood is worth the amount you just stated... take that into consideration.

[hemi-hampton]

And just a Dana will cost you that much last I knew. LEON.

[brant]

You'll be in the five figures if it's numbers are correct.

[furray]

You'll be in the five figures if it's numbers are correct.

#'s are all correct, he says. Even in it's depleted condition 5 figures ? Wish I could get a picture to post. I will work on that in the future. I just have to think up a reason to show back up there so soon after the last visit. I don't want to pester them and blow the whole thing. I can't imagine with the current prices of nice '71's that the car would be worth more than 25k put back together with nice paint & it's going to cost all of that if not more to get it back into nice condition. After all it's just a 440 car, nothing to special there, although it does have a low production figure it's no six pack or Hemi.

[ACUDANUT]

"Just a 440 Car" Are you on drugs ? That is the second best engine to have. 

[RD]

You'll be in the five figures if it's numbers are correct.

#'s are all correct, he says. Even in it's depleted condition 5 figures ? Wish I could get a picture to post. I will work on that in the future. I just have to think up a reason to show back up there so soon after the last visit. I don't want to pester them and blow the whole thing. I can't imagine with the current prices of nice '71's that the car would be worth more than 25k put back together with nice paint & it's going to cost all of that if not more to get it back into nice condition. After all it's just a 440 car, nothing to special there, although it does have a low production figure it's no six pack or Hemi.

its a 71 Charger R/T with the track pack option.  rare, desireable, and yes.. fully restored can pull 25K easy.  there were only 332 made with the engine/trans combo... so... rare is the key point plus the fact that its the last year of the R/T's and now you have desireable... a ramcharger hood and a dana rearend and you got really desireable.  4-5K for the car as it sits is not unheard of, especially with all the parts that he has available.

[rich4406bbl]

Without any pics it's tough to determine a value but just start breaking down the numbers it is not a common car. 1 of 332 with a 4-speed, how many with the ramcharger hood? How many with the spoiler option (if original), is it Track-pak or Super Track-pak car. If it has the fendertag and broadcast sheet now your talking original documentation. Throw in the fact that it has the numbers matching drivetrain and that ads value. Based on these factors i'm sure that you are looking at a 10-12k initial investment just to get the car. Remember that 4-speed cars are about 1/10th the production figure of ALL 71 RT's made. $1500-$1800 might have bought you that car about 30 years ago!

[rich4406bbl]

I saw these items at the 2010 Chryslers at Carlisle show. Of course, asking and selling prices are (2) different things but if you need the parts you may not have any choice. These were not NOS parts. Gives you an idea about costs and why this car my be up in 5 figures to get.
71 Dana Rear w/driveshaft 3.54:1 (different than the earlier versions) $3000
RT doors $800-1200 pr
18 spline trans $750-$1100.00
4367s carter AVS (4-speed version) $375.00
70-71 exhaust manifolds (clean, no pitting) $500.00
71 Ramcharger hood, complete including switch, solenoid and hoses $2800
71-72 tailight assemblies $400

[ACUDANUT]

If this guy has a computer, he will know it's worth 10K...Even if it is a non running car.

[472 R/T SE]

If this guy has a computer, he will know it's worth 10K...Even if it is a non running car.

Yeah or if he gets the SPEED channel than he's watched BJ.  Hard tellin' then. 

[ACUDANUT]

 People who use BJ auction to set a price on their cars are seriously mental ill.
However, if you get his car for under 10k, your damn lucky.

[AKcharger]

I saw these items at the 2010 Chryslers at Carlisle show.
71 Ramcharger hood, complete including switch, solenoid and hoses $2800

Rich

I looked all over that swap meet for one and only came up with 70 and 71-72 RR hoods! Do you recall who owned it? I've been searching for years

[hemi-hampton]

With the entire front clip & front suspension off/removed I'd think $10k is steep. More like $5k+ maybe  LEON.

[Chargerguy74]

If it were me, and this thing was complete, matching, fender tag, vin, etc. the next time I went to visit him I'd have 10K cash in my hand (I think 5K would be an insult). It's one thing to throw out a number, it's another to show it in your hand. Depends on how bad you want the car. You'd find out right away how serious he is about keeping the car. That's just how I'd do things.

[rich4406bbl]

To AKcharger: I don't recall who had it but it was a really clean setup and sold quickly. I got there on Thursday (set-up day) around noon and it was sold later that afternoon.

[hemi-hampton]

If it were me, and this thing was complete, matching, fender tag, vin, etc. the next time I went to visit him I'd have 10K cash in my hand (I think 5K would be an insult). It's one thing to throw out a number, it's another to show it in your hand. Depends on how bad you want the car. You'd find out right away how serious he is about keeping the car. That's just how I'd do things.

Any buyer that thinks it looks like a $1,500 car to him is highly unlikely to now throw $10,000 at it because we said so   LEON.

[RTDaddy]

AK,
I saw that ramcharger set-up also, it went out in a truck Thursday afternoon.  Stuff like that sells quick. Remember" "Git thar fustus with the mostus, ($$$)."   

"IF YOU'RE UNDER CONTROL, YOU AIN'T GOING FAST ENOUGH."

[Chargerguy74]

If it were me, and this thing was complete, matching, fender tag, vin, etc. the next time I went to visit him I'd have 10K cash in my hand (I think 5K would be an insult). It's one thing to throw out a number, it's another to show it in your hand. Depends on how bad you want the car. You'd find out right away how serious he is about keeping the car. That's just how I'd do things.

Any buyer that thinks it looks like a $1,500 car to him is highly unlikely to now throw $10,000 at it because we said so   LEON.

I agree.

[71383bee]

I think 10k is a bit steep.

There is a 71 R/T project N96 auto for sale now on moparts and its 4,800 firm.  I would start at high 6's low 7's maybe and go from there. 

[hemi-hampton]

 

[tricky lugnuts]

Agreed - maybe $10K for a decent survivor style car that is mostly intact and runs and drives and doesn't need major metal replacement - but anything less than that caliber of car, $10K sounds a bit steep.

I'd check out the R/T on Moparts. $4,800 isn't bad. He says it's kind of rusty, but he's in Nevada so who knows what that means . . .

[furray]

 Ok everyone please excuse me for my ignorance. I'm not a Dodge person but I want to be one. But I did find out some more about it from a 3rd party,( if he can be trusted). It was wrecked, bad. Thats why the frint clip windshield, and all is gone, totaled, nothing salvagable not even the hood. He thinks it was all thrown away years ago. The front suspension on the pass side is gone, missing, unibody is supposed to be damaged somewhat but fixable. I'm going back down to make a offer this weekend (if they will listen) and that will be that. Thanks for all your input. I sure learned a lot from all you heapful people here.

[mauve66]

where ya at in NV??

[hemi-hampton]

In that case maybe it is a $1,500-$1,800 car    LEON.

[ACUDANUT]

 Is it bought yet ?

[furray]

 Is the air grabber knob black and right under the ash tray on the dash ?

[ACUDANUT]

 What does that have to do with buying it. ?  But, yes I believe so.

[furray]

What does that have to do with buying it. ?  But, yes I believe so.

Because the hood is missng, so I have nothing to go buy. I did notice the little black knob just under the ash tray and I thought if that was the location and color it would be a sure sign there was once a air grabber hood on it.
The vin # are WS23U1 How rare is this car in Hemi orange ?

[RD]

the black knob under the ash tray is usually for non-a/c cars.  it controls the vents.  the ramcharger switch is most often on the drivers side, under the dash.  its a switch that looks just like a rear defroster switch if my memory is correct.

here is a picture of a a/c delete 71 charger r/t.  see the two knobs above the cassette player.  is that what you are referring to?

[71383bee]

the black knob under the ash tray is usually for non-a/c cars.  it controls the vents.  the ramcharger switch is most often on the drivers side, under the dash.  its a switch that looks just like a rear defroster switch if my memory is correct.

here is a picture of a a/c delete 71 charger r/t.  see the two knobs above the cassette player.  is that what you are referring to?

Yep those are the vent knobs.  I have them on my super bee 

[hemi-hampton]

Does it have the fender tag   LEON.

[quapman]

"Just" a U-code, Track Pack, 71 R/T. "$1500-$1800"

Yeah, something like that. I'm going back to my cartoons now.

[hs1973]

i would pay 15 k in a heartbeat if it is a true r/t matching numbers and all of the pieces are there. i know we all have a dream to find a hemi charger rustfree complete and running just down the street and finding out that the owner is an guy who would rather have a honda so he is giving it away for a grand. but truth is since the internet became common even in small town kansas shit like that dosent happen anymore. hell i would pay a cool milion if i had the money. but another truth is i had to sell my numbers matching one owner rustfree totally restored 72 charger 318 for 10 grand, just to be able to pay the rent.( i loved that car it wasent much but it was mine)
so ill keep one dreaming. hope you get it no matter what you have to pay and i hope you have the cash when the time comes. nothing is more devestating than finding the car of your dreams and not having the cash. bare with me if my spelling stinks im from denmark so im not that good at spelling in americanese

[Brock Samson]

Furray writes:
"It was wrecked, bad. Thats why the front clip windshield, and all is gone, totaled, nothing salvagable not even the hood. He thinks it was all thrown away years ago. The front suspension on the pass side is gone, missing, unibody is supposed to be damaged"
'n you would pay $15K huh?..  "hell i would pay a cool milion if i had the money."
Talk sure is cheap...
Sounds like it'll take every bit of money anyone of us have to bring that sucker back. why not spend three times what it's worth? sounds like a great plan...      

[ACUDANUT]

 Still no pic's of this car 1,500 car  I and waiving the BS flag

[hemi-hampton]

Furray writes:
"It was wrecked, bad. Thats why the front clip windshield, and all is gone, totaled, nothing salvagable not even the hood. He thinks it was all thrown away years ago. The front suspension on the pass side is gone, missing, unibody is supposed to be damaged"
'n you would pay $15K huh?..  "hell i would pay a cool milion if i had the money."
Talk sure is cheap...
Sounds like it'll take every bit of money anyone of us have to bring that sucker back. why not spend three times what it's worth? sounds like a great plan...      

This car does not sound like a pretty picture, entire front clip smashed & missing, motor & trans out & front suspension, bent frame & core support probably wasted. Sounds like a POS to me but people in here say it's a $10k or $15k car. I can barely get that for my solid rustfree, complete, running original 1970 R/T in this bad economy.
P.S. If you buy it I'll restore it for you for $50k+

[ACUDANUT]

Still no pic's of this car 1,500 car  I and waiving the BS flag

Hmmmm

[furray]

 I can't get into my photo bucket account, Is there another way to post a picture on here ? it's been years since I've used it & it just isn't working. But I can say stories are changing. It was not wrecked but all the pieces aren't there & I haven't seen anymore than the motor, trans, car, & seats. I won't ask to do any more than peek under the tarp it is in bad shape and I don't think I could get whats left of it back on. I was asked to make the offer today and based on what parts I could gather up there, I offered $1500, I told them it's a starting point depending on how much more could be rounded up. This car has to be restored by the porson who buys it, otherewise it's a parts car. So I'm not willing to give much more because who knows what all in missing.

[Axels73Charger]

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Hope to see pics! I love 71 R/Ts!

[RD]

i would pay 15 k in a heartbeat if it is a true r/t matching numbers and all of the pieces are there. i know we all have a dream to find a hemi charger rustfree complete and running just down the street and finding out that the owner is an guy who would rather have a honda so he is giving it away for a grand. but truth is since the internet became common even in small town kansas shit like that dosent happen anymore. hell i would pay a cool milion if i had the money. but another truth is i had to sell my numbers matching one owner rustfree totally restored 72 charger 318 for 10 grand, just to be able to pay the rent.( i loved that car it wasent much but it was mine)
so ill keep one dreaming. hope you get it no matter what you have to pay and i hope you have the cash when the time comes. nothing is more devestating than finding the car of your dreams and not having the cash. bare with me if my spelling stinks im from denmark so im not that good at spelling in americanese

i am just stoked you know that there is a state called Kansas!

[mauve66]

I can't get into my photo bucket account, Is there another way to post a picture on here ? it's been years since I've used it & it just isn't working. But I can say stories are changing. It was not wrecked but all the pieces aren't there & I haven't seen anymore than the motor, trans, car, & seats. I won't ask to do any more than peek under the tarp it is in bad shape and I don't think I could get whats left of it back on. I was asked to make the offer today and based on what parts I could gather up there, I offered $1500, I told them it's a starting point depending on how much more could be rounded up. This car has to be restored by the porson who buys it, otherewise it's a parts car. So I'm not willing to give much more because who knows what all in missing.

I can't get into my photo bucket account, Is there another way to post a picture on here ? it's been years since I've used it & it just isn't working. But I can say stories are changing. It was not wrecked but all the pieces aren't there & I haven't seen anymore than the motor, trans, car, & seats. I won't ask to do any more than peek under the tarp it is in bad shape and I don't think I could get whats left of it back on. I was asked to make the offer today and based on what parts I could gather up there, I offered $1500, I told them it's a starting point depending on how much more could be rounded up. This car has to be restored by the porson who buys it, otherewise it's a parts car. So I'm not willing to give much more because who knows what all in missing.

I can't get into my photo bucket account, Is there another way to post a picture on here ? it's been years since I've used it & it just isn't working. But I can say stories are changing. It was not wrecked but all the pieces aren't there & I haven't seen anymore than the motor, trans, car, & seats. I won't ask to do any more than peek under the tarp it is in bad shape and I don't think I could get whats left of it back on. I was asked to make the offer today and based on what parts I could gather up there, I offered $1500, I told them it's a starting point depending on how much more could be rounded up. This car has to be restored by the porson who buys it, otherewise it's a parts car. So I'm not willing to give much more because who knows what all in missing.

so the guy won't show you everything and he still wanted an offer??? how can he expect you to make a decent offer if you can't see everything???

[hemi-hampton]

I would not buy anything or offer anything on a car that a guy hides under a tarp & refuses to remove tarp. No, you can't see it, but make me a offer anyways Sounds suspicious to me   LEON.

[furray]

pictute of interior

[RD]

what a teaser! lol

any more?

[71383bee]

EV2
4 Speed
Unmolested dash
buckets
The plot thickens...

[furray]

 I can't get the vin to post cause I had the camara turned up too high so this is about it for pictures.

[71383bee]

Try to get a pencil rubbing of the fender tag.  We can decode that and it will have the VIN in it. 

I still think 10k is a bit steep for a wrecked charger.  6 to 7 is not outta line though. 

[1970Moparmann]

I can't get into my photo bucket account, Is there another way to post a picture on here ? it's been years since I've used it & it just isn't working. But I can say stories are changing. It was not wrecked but all the pieces aren't there & I haven't seen anymore than the motor, trans, car, & seats. I won't ask to do any more than peek under the tarp it is in bad shape and I don't think I could get whats left of it back on. I was asked to make the offer today and based on what parts I could gather up there, I offered $1500, I told them it's a starting point depending on how much more could be rounded up. This car has to be restored by the porson who buys it, otherewise it's a parts car. So I'm not willing to give much more because who knows what all in missing.

I would tell the owner you need to see all the parts in detail and then make an honest offer.   Depending on what the owner thinks it's worth, worst case you can probably make a few bucks and be the broker for someone else who wants the car.  If it's clean metal wise, it could be worth $7 - $8k or so.  Ask the owner what he thinks it's worth you may be shocked for the good about it.   

Once you take a good look at the car, right down all it needs and put a guesstimate together on who much it will cost you to restore.  Share with the owner and he may get a better idea what it would take and he may say screw it, it's yours.

[mauve66]

sooo, he still won't take the cover off to show the whole car or all the parts and wants you to make an offer based on his word....................

the back end could easily be rotting into the ground

[hemi-hampton]

How's the Trunk Floor & Rear Framerails

[furray]

Try to get a pencil rubbing of the fender tag.  We can decode that and it will have the VIN in it.  

I still think 10k is a bit steep for a wrecked charger.  6 to 7 is not outta line though.  

No. I offered them $1,500 not 10k. Things are still beeing mulled over. Money is not  "ANY"  issue here, good intentions are. There is a lot more to this storey, but...we will see what happens. My gut feeling is even after all this time and running around, phone tag, etc I won't get it, in the end it will be scrapped when I could have saved it if I got it before the next winter sets in but hey.. no one could have given a more sincere hard run at trying to save it.

[hemi-hampton]

Scrapyard would never give them $1,500 so why scrap it LEON.

[furray]

Scrapyard would never give them $1,500 so why scrap it LEON.

Because the owner of the property is getting to the point where she wants it gone and the owners (3) won't all agree. 2 yes 1 no. None of them have the time or means or even a place to move it to, sad story but the property owner will remove it someday and I'm afraid it will be to the crusher 3 miles down the road. I just can't get through to the one girl. How do you motivate a person with so much sentiment ? I'm at my wits end. It's taken me this long to get 2 to agree and now I just can't get it through her head that she is doing the wrong thing to this car.

[RD]

promise her after you restore it, she will get to drive it some time. ONCE! for 50 feet and that you have an electronic shutoff to your car via your cellphone if she fails to follow said instructions hehehe j/k

[furray]

 Talked to the people toninght, they are not happy.

[furray]

Game over, it goes down the road to the crusher this fall if she doesn't remove it by then.

[hemi-hampton]

Not happy about what, your offer   Offer $2,500

[RD]

they are idiots and you can tell them i said that too.

[ipstrategies]

Maybe they are Not Happy that they waited and let the car sit and deteriorate to this point, and they know your offer is fair so not happy with themselves?

[1970Moparmann]

It's unbelievable how many people will let a car rot in the backyard without even a tarp and no sell it!!  Make me sick......... You really get pissed when you hear the car in question is a wing car or a hemi.