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New Cars being classics...

Started by Nacho-RT74, July 22, 2010, 05:38:40 PM

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Nacho-RT74

Have you wondered how will look new cars being classics after 25 years ?

our cars got a hard life being all and thick metal, pretty much basic technology.

Now try to imagine trying to restore a new Chally 30 years later... plastic, and computers.

if is hard try to get a decent ECU at a shop!!!!! decent repro plastic pieces!!! I can't imagine in 30 years from now about these
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Nacho-RT74

( if gas is still available of course... yeah... tell it to the Buried 57 Belvedere )
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http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,25060.0.html

miller

Quote from: Nacho-RT74 on July 22, 2010, 05:38:40 PM
Have you wondered how will look new cars being classics after 25 years ?

our cars got a hard life being all and thick metal, pretty much basic technology.

Now try to imagine trying to restore a new Chally 30 years later... plastic, and computers.

if is hard try to get a decent ECU at a shop!!!!! decent repro plastic pieces!!! I can't imagine in 30 years from now about these

But the thing is in 25 years all the cars now will be basic technology, the hybrids and hydrogen vehicles coming to market will make it a relief to work on simple gasoline engines. Cars I believe that will be future collectibles are: GT500s, ZR1s, CTS-V Coupes, Solstice GXP Coupes, STis, EVOs, Supras, GT-Rs.. basically anything a kid right now wishes he could have, but can not afford it, those will be the future collectible cars.

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To add to miller's list I would also say any Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep SRT vehicle will become collectible in the future.

MoparManJim

You know, I was just thinking on this very issue the other day. Man talk about thinking alike.. it really does make you wonder about them though. If some of the parts are hard to get now.. like the other member said, just think how it will be in the future for the part. Can you can very verry rare? I sure can. 

Mike DC

 
The costs of low-production tooling are dropping all the time.  The major sections of modern cars are 3D mapped from the factory.  The existing tooling will probably not be destroyed when they're done with it.  The panels are E-coated with rust preventatives that actually work to prevent some rust.

Future restorers will have it easier than we do. 

   

SRT-440

I would like to think if a car had been treated halfway decent it will be in good shape in 25 years (compared to our classics)...today they are a LOT more durable and cars of today (typically) don't leak inside of the vehicle or even under the hood for that matter. Todays cars are a lot tougher than we give them credit for...mainly cuz we feel that plastic and computers are inferior to metal and old school tech. Today even the fuel tanks are insulated in some cars...so in 25 years you might have to change out some sensors or put a new exhaust and a little paint...but I bet you won't be having to replace entire floor pans, trunk pans, roofs..etc.

Did anyone watch the Horsepower TV episode not too long ago when they rebuilt the 5.7 HEMI from a wrecked truck...I think it had over 50,000 miles and they tore into it and said it still looked new on the inside.  :2thumbs:

I agree with the cars listed above as what will be collectable...SRT's, Camaros, Vettes, VIPER...I even think things like PT Cruisers and all the other "retro" vehicles (all makes) will be highly collectable.
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Cooter

Unfortunately, it's like that '77 4dr Nova that comes to cruise night and the guy has "antique" tags on it and has registered it in the "classic" category..He doesn't mind telling you how many numbers of them were made with the "One year only" power Ass scratcher like his has either.. but, no matter how old it gets, it will still be a less desirable car that isn't gonna bring the $25K he's invested in it..Come time to sell, only then does he reallize even with that power ass scratcher, he's made a mistake in investing his money in that '77 Nova....

Disclaimer: No, I'm not bashing or "hating" on third gen Novas, just stating the obvious as someone here is bound to be bothered about my choice of "Less desirable" cars...

Same thing with the newer Cars like '85 Mustank GT's with "Antique" tags on 'em...Just too many flooded the market for them to be "Classics"...
Most of us here don't mind going into debt for $30-$70K for the new SRT Challenger, but Like the Musclecars I got right now, I'll have to get my SRT when one of you guys have wrecked it and the insurance company has totalled it for me to be able to afford one at all...SO, I WILL be replacing floor pans, fenders, hoods, grilles, etc. just to get it to look like a car again....As it stands right now, they are overpriced and too heavy...
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Quote from: MoparManJim on July 23, 2010, 12:37:44 AM
You know, I was just thinking on this very issue the other day. Man talk about thinking alike.. it really does make you wonder about them though. If some of the parts are hard to get now.. like the other member said, just think how it will be in the future for the part. Can you can very verry rare? I sure can.  

it's not that the parts are hard to get, it's that they're expensive. But that's mostly because a lot of those cars are still on the road or being well taken care of, so you can't exactly just go to your local pick-a-part junkyard and find, let's say, a 6.1 HEMI intake manifold. You have to go on ebay or to an "auto recycling" facility that specializes in late models and pay almost-but-not quite dealership prices for the parts (just low enough to make it worth your while getting the part from them and not the dealer). Give it 10-15 years and as more of those cars are wrecked or driven to the ground, you'll start seeing more and more parts available.

Sure, parts for some of those cars (like the GT-R, for example) are still going to be hard to find. Even when I had the accident in my 08 R/T a few months ago, I talked the body shop into getting me an SRT-8 front fascia as a replacement...but those were on a 6 month backorder.

With all of the above said, there's such a huge aftermarket for today's cars, that if 20 years from now you can't find a stock front bumper for your STi or your 300C, there will be tons of options as far as aftermarket parts.    
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miller

Quote from: Cooter on July 23, 2010, 11:30:46 AM
Unfortunately, it's like that '77 4dr Nova that comes to cruise night and the guy has "antique" tags on it and has registered it in the "classic" category..He doesn't mind telling you how many numbers of them were made with the "One year only" power Ass scratcher like his has either.. but, no matter how old it gets, it will still be a less desirable car that isn't gonna bring the $25K he's invested in it..Come time to sell, only then does he reallize even with that power ass scratcher, he's made a mistake in investing his money in that '77 Nova....

Disclaimer: No, I'm not bashing or "hating" on third gen Novas, just stating the obvious as someone here is bound to be bothered about my choice of "Less desirable" cars...

Same thing with the newer Cars like '85 Mustank GT's with "Antique" tags on 'em...Just too many flooded the market for them to be "Classics"...
Most of us here don't mind going into debt for $30-$70K for the new SRT Challenger, but Like the Musclecars I got right now, I'll have to get my SRT when one of you guys have wrecked it and the insurance company has totalled it for me to be able to afford one at all...SO, I WILL be replacing floor pans, fenders, hoods, grilles, etc. just to get it to look like a car again....As it stands right now, they are overpriced and too heavy...

If i remember correct didn't present collectible cars such as.... the 1964-1965 Mustang flood the market? I would think 318,000 the first year and over 1,000,000 cars in the first 18 months would have kept the cars from being collectible right from the get go.  Its not how many were made, its how many people want them now. A 77 nova doesn't quite have the glory the 64.5 stang did, and thus sells for less. Kind of like the guys a while back that couldn't get enough of those model Ts and As. They made a ton but as time went on they their numbers decreased while their customer interest increased.

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1979 Corvette L-82 - Lilly
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Quote from: miller on July 23, 2010, 10:22:26 PM
Quote from: Cooter on July 23, 2010, 11:30:46 AM



If i remember correct didn't present collectible cars such as.... the 1964-1965 Mustang flood the market? I would think 318,000 the first year and over 1,000,000 cars in the first 18 months would have kept the cars from being collectible right from the get go.  Its not how many were made, its how many people want them now. A 77 nova doesn't quite have the glory the 64.5 stang did, and thus sells for less. Kind of like the guys a while back that couldn't get enough of those model Ts and As. They made a ton but as time went on they their numbers decreased while their customer interest increased.

I agree with you 100%

For example, 1955-57 Chevrolets have been considered classics for a long time now, and Chevrolet cranked out over 1,500,000 cars in EACH of those three years. Yet, those are some of the most desirable classic cars ever produced.