This is a bunch of BS. Iroquois lacrosse team denied entry into the UK

[TK73]

you mean they made it harder for undocumented undesirables to get into their country? How dare they?!

[tricky lugnuts]

"Also, it looks like the only security requirement the Iroquois passports are missing are RFID chips. The Iroquois passports are "just paper" and RFID chips are required per the "Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative" that went into effect last year:

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/columnists/bob_ford/20100716_Bob_Ford__The_tangled_story_of_the_Iroquois_lacrosse_team.html

Got to love the those hemispherical travel initiatives! Better than trade agreements for trashing a nation's sovereignty. Thankfully our folks in Congress, ever intelligent, decided that we all wanted to join! Yay! RFID me!"

That's why it's a big deal all of a sudden!

[bull]

Probably some changes in UK law disqualified the papers where they were valid previously... maybe similar to our own changes requiring a passport for Mexico/Canada travel where a DL/birth certificate were sufficient previously...

you mean they made it harder for undocumented undesirables to get into their country? How dare they?!

Interesting you say that because the "too bad, so sad" routine you're using here is absent from your posts in those illegal immigrant threads.

[Ponch ®]

Probably some changes in UK law disqualified the papers where they were valid previously... maybe similar to our own changes requiring a passport for Mexico/Canada travel where a DL/birth certificate were sufficient previously...

you mean they made it harder for undocumented undesirables to get into their country? How dare they?!

Interesting you say that because the "too bad, so sad" routine you're using here is absent from your posts in those illegal immigrant threads.

and the "too bad, so sad" routine used in the illegal threads by others are absent here.

[TK73]

Yep, happens that way when people are emotionally attached to an issue... that's why we have laws...

[bull]

Probably some changes in UK law disqualified the papers where they were valid previously... maybe similar to our own changes requiring a passport for Mexico/Canada travel where a DL/birth certificate were sufficient previously...

you mean they made it harder for undocumented undesirables to get into their country? How dare they?!

Interesting you say that because the "too bad, so sad" routine you're using here is absent from your posts in those illegal immigrant threads.

and the "too bad, so sad" routine used in the illegal threads by others are absent here.

No, we're talking about separate issues. One being a group of people refusing to obey the rules of a country they've entered illegally; the other a group of people who are arguing against, yet complying with, the rules of a country they wish to enter legally. This issue is an argument surrounding one nation recognizing the sovereignty of another.

[bull]

Yep, happens that way when people are emotionally attached to an issue... that's why we have laws...

One the Indians don't like but are compliant with; the other ignored and taken advantage of.

[Ponch ®]

No, we're talking about separate issues. One being a group of people refusing to obey the rules of a country they've entered illegally; the other a group of people who are arguing against, yet complying with, the rules of a country they wish to enter legally. This issue is an argument surrounding one nation recognizing the sovereignty of another.

If they were complying with the rules, they wouldn't have been turned away. They were expecting the UK to change, ignore, or make an exception to their rules and accommodate them.

[bull]

No, we're talking about separate issues. One being a group of people refusing to obey the rules of a country they've entered illegally; the other a group of people who are arguing against, yet complying with, the rules of a country they wish to enter legally. This issue is an argument surrounding one nation recognizing the sovereignty of another.

If they were complying with the rules, they wouldn't have been turned away. They were expecting the UK to change, ignore, or make an exception to their rules and accommodate them.

And if the UK were complying with the fact that the Iroquois Nation is a sovereign nation, which it is, there wouldn't be an issue either.

[Ponch ®]

No, we're talking about separate issues. One being a group of people refusing to obey the rules of a country they've entered illegally; the other a group of people who are arguing against, yet complying with, the rules of a country they wish to enter legally. This issue is an argument surrounding one nation recognizing the sovereignty of another.

If they were complying with the rules, they wouldn't have been turned away. They were expecting the UK to change, ignore, or make an exception to their rules and accommodate them.

And if the UK were complying with the fact that the Iroquois Nation is a sovereign nation, which it is, there wouldn't be an issue either.

Except the UK doesn't have to recognize them as such if they don't want to. However, if the Iroquois wanted to go there, then they have to abide by their rules. If they were that adamant about their status as a recognized nation, they would have boycotted the tournament in the 1st place once the UK's stance became clear.

[bull]

The Iroquois are abiding by the UK rules. That doesn't mean they, or I, have to like the rules and can't speak out against them. You know this nothing more than a bunch of red tape BS semantics. Basically you're saying it's ok that Onata the Iroquois should be denied his license application at the DMV because he forgot to dot an "i" on his form and the snag behind the counter is on a power trip. I'm saying that's wrong. However, you say it's quite alright for Jose to license his $300 Taurus with no title even though he just ran across the border at 2 am three nights ago. This is where our arguments differ on this type of issue.

Oh well, Sammy Hagar is better than David Lee Roth.

[Ponch ®]

Oh well, Sammy Hagar is better than David Lee Roth.

Oh now you've gone and taken it to a whole new level. This aggression will not stand.

[bull]

Oh well, Sammy Hagar is better than David Lee Roth.

Oh now you've gone and taken it to a whole new level. This aggression will not stand.

Boy, you sure sidestepped that one.

[bakerhillpins]

Where is Brock? Someone should be selling popcorn. 

   

[Ponch ®]

Oh well, Sammy Hagar is better than David Lee Roth.

Oh now you've gone and taken it to a whole new level. This aggression will not stand.

Boy, you sure sidestepped that one.

No, I think both are equally unacceptable.

[Old Moparz]

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[moparstuart]

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[bull]

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Tonto would have let them play.

[moparstuart]

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Tonto would have let them play.

who knew tonto was a world class lacrosse champion 

[mauve66]

The Iroquois are abiding by the UK rules. That doesn't mean they, or I, have to like the rules and can't speak out against them. You know this nothing more than a bunch of red tape BS semantics. Basically you're saying it's ok that Onata the Iroquois should be denied his license application at the DMV because he forgot to dot an "i" on his form and the snag behind the counter is on a power trip. I'm saying that's wrong. However, you say it's quite alright for Jose to license his $300 Taurus with no title even though he just ran across the border at 2 am three nights ago. This is where our arguments differ on this type of issue.

Oh well, Sammy Hagar is better than David Lee Roth.

no they aren't abiding by the rules, the document changes went into effect last year so they have had at least 6 MONTHS to get their shit together and didn't bother cause "their special"
UK doesn't have to recognize them as a nation, just like we don't recognize all the changes in governments in the middle east and africa
like i said before a special group wanting special priviliges, maybe i should start lobbying that all Veterans get VETERANS DAY off with pay just cause i think we are more deserving than any other honest hard working american citizen

federal dollars pay for the roads that go through any "sovereign" indian nation, my federal tax dollars, if they want to be a sovereign nation then start taking care of your people with money from YOUR nation and not mine
were indians here first?? yes , did we invade and conquer?? yes  why do they deserve any more favors than any other nation that has been invaded and conquered anywhere else in the world??

[bull]

Take it easy, Mauve. Don't give yourself a stroke.

[mauve66]

naw man, i love a good DISCUSSION, besides, the doctors have it all wrong

you get heart attacks from keeping everything in and then FINALLY blowing up, due to the fat in your arteries all the time during you "quiet" times
if you keep your blood pressure high ALL the time your body is used to it and it keeps the fat cleaned out from all the high pressure
don't believe me??
go look at the inside of you house drain pipes and then look inside a fire hose................. all that pressure in the fire hose keeps it perfectly clean

[bull]

That's weird. My dad had a heart-attack and he pretty much always had steam coming out his ears.

[mauve66]

always 1 exception to ever rule............ i hope........... maybe i've just had good luck the first 40 years of my life.... my wife says my luck is running out.............