Proposed 999 (Petty/Corporate Blue) Superbird Registry thread.

[nascarxx29]

  The superbird to be believed production numbers range from 1920 1935 and ?.Which was derived by # of cars per dealership.For nascar holmagation rules.Are they exactly accurate who knows .The 69 500/ daytona numbers also vary from what was believed

[nascarxx29]

Does anyone recall this Petty blue 6 barrel bird.Harold Sullivan traded for the silver bullet car
http://www.moparmagazine.com/2009/july_august/opening_the_vault_doors.html?searched=superbird&highlight=ajaxSearch_highlight+ajaxSearch_highlight1
Harold traded a 1970 Petty Blue Six Barrel Superbird for the Bullet around 1997. The Silver Bullet was in storage for 16 years after the owner, who got it as an 18th birthday present from his father, damaged the motor and parked it. The car has its original fiberglass fenders and doors. Addison helped Sullivan during the latter stages of the car's restoration.

[nascarxx29]

Tim Wellborn 999 petty blue superbird .The trunklid decal reads Crowder Chyrsler Plymouth

[nascarxx29]

Where did the number come from though?

If one was reported as Petty Blue & it does not have a J99 VON then it is safe to assume it was not Petty Blue originally. This is one of the reasons I would LOVE to see a compete list of VONs to complement the VIN list.

Anybody?  

Barry this where I seen that given #50 number of built Petty blue superbirds by this poster and owner of a 999 petty superbird rainbow4jd


http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,38347.25.html
There are no Hemi 999 'birds.   It has to do with the Christmas Break special production run of 50 "Petty Blue" Superbirds for marketing purposes.  They are also build sheet notated as NASCAR 2.    They had to be built prior to the introduction of EPA pollution regulations that went into effect on Jan 1, 1970.    Chrysler was only concerned about the exterior of the vehicles.  

This is also why the J codes of the Petty Blue Superbirds are out of sequence.   My  "Petty Bird" is J99501 and has white interior, 440-4V, 3:54 Dana 4 speed, 38,000 original miles.

[Troy]

VIN   Eng   Trans   Interior   Seat Style   Console   J Code   Data Source
OK, I give up lol.  After too many variations, I tried putting question marks in to correct the spacing.  And I get... frowny question faces LOLOL.

Anyway, here is what I have except the last three digits of the Hemi cars.                     


155787   U   Auto   White   Bucket   No   ??   Winged Warrior List
                     
158623   V   Manual   Black   Bucket      ??   Unknown Source
158628   U   Manual   White   Bucket      99501   Steve Vance
158632   U      ??         ??   Winged Warrior List
158633   U   Manual   White   Bucket      ??   Wildman
158634   U   Manual   White   Bucket      ??   Nascarxx29, Cars On Line, Owner - Barry Kanick?
158636   U   Manual   ??   Bucket   No   ??   Winged Warrior List
                     
162287   V   Auto   White   Bucket   Yes   ??   Winged Warrior List
                     
164667   U   Auto   Black   Bucket   Yes   ??   Winged Warrior List
                     
167148   V   Auto   ??         ??   Wildman
167970   V   Manual   Black   Bench   N/A   ??   Winged Warrior List
                     
168775   V   Manual   Black   Bench   N/A   ??   Pettybird
168776   U   Manual   Black   Bench   N/A   99525   Pettybird - owner
                     
16949?   V   Manual?   Black?   Bench?   N/A   ??   Was on Ebay - Barry Kanick?
                     
170238   V   Manual   ??         ??   Winged Warrior List
170239   V   Manual   Black   Bucket      ??   Winged Warrior List
                     
171595   V      ??         ??   Wildman
171684   U   Manual   Black   Bucket   No   ??   Winged Warrior List
171684   U   Auto   Black   Bench   N/A   99530   Photos on Ebay
                     
172xxx   R   Auto   Black   Bucket   Yes   ??   Winged Warrior List
                     
175692   U   Auto   White   Bucket      ??   Unknown Source
                     
176681   U   Auto   Black   Bucket   Yes   ??   Winged Warrior List
176682   U   Auto   ??   Bench   N/A   ??   Winged Warrior List
                     
177605   U      ??         ??   Unknown Source
                     
179xxx   R   Manual   White   Bucket   No   ??   Winged Warrior List
                     

The language the forum uses is certainly HTML (which condenses "white space" to one character) but it also allows for "bulletin board code" which is a small tag set to do various things (usually differentiated by square brackets '[' and ']' instead of angle brackets '<' and '>'). If you use the "reply" button to create your post you'll see a bunch of little icons above the box where you type which will allow you to insert these tags. On the second row you'll see a set of three that look like the side of a Rubic's Cube. These will let you format tabular data. Here's an example using your data from above:

VIN	Eng	Trans	Interior	Seat Style	Console	J Code	Data Source
155787	U	Auto	White	Bucket	No	?	Winged Warrior List
158623	V	Manual	Black	Bucket	?	?	Unknown Source
158628	U	Manual	White	Bucket	?	99501	Steve Vance
158632	U	?	?	?	?	?	Winged Warrior List
158633	U	Manual	White	Bucket	?	?	Wildman
158634	U	Manual	White	Bucket	?	?	Nascarxx29, Cars On Line, Owner - Barry Kanick?
158636	U	Manual	?	Bucket	No	?	Winged Warrior List
162287	V	Auto	White	Bucket	Yes	?	Winged Warrior List
164667	U	Auto	Black	Bucket	Yes	?	Winged Warrior List
167148	V	Auto	?	?	?	?	Wildman
167970	V	Manual	Black	Bench	N/A	?	Winged Warrior List
168775	V	Manual	Black	Bench	N/A	?	Pettybird
168776	U	Manual	Black	Bench	N/A	99525	Pettybird - owner
16949?	V	Manual?	Black?	Bench?	N/A	?	Was on Ebay - Barry Kanick?
170238	V	Manual	??	??	?	?	Winged Warrior List
170239	V	Manual	Black	Bucket	?	??	Winged Warrior List
171595	V	?	?	?	?	?	Wildman
171684	U	Manual	Black	Bucket	No	?	Winged Warrior List
171684	U	Auto	Black	Bench	N/A	99530	Photos on Ebay
172xxx	R	Auto	Black	Bucket	Yes	?	Winged Warrior List
175692	U	Auto	White	Bucket	?	?	Unknown Source
176681	U	Auto	Black	Bucket	Yes	?	Winged Warrior List
176682	U	Auto	?	Bench	N/A	?	Winged Warrior List
177605	U	?	?	?	?	?	Unknown Source
179xxx	R	Manual	White	Bucket	No	?	Winged Warrior List

The three question marks are a shortcut for that particular smiley.

If you quote this post you can see the additional code used to make it look this way.

Troy

[Arnie Cunningham]

Thanks Troy,

I didn't think of quoting myself LOL.  That is a neat trick.  I tried the insert table icons but, honestly, didn't care to teach myself another process just for the post.  I will be uploading the data to my website and will link to it when done.  Thanks for the tip,
Brennan

[Arnie Cunningham]

AH!  now I see what you meant by quoting your post.  I can see the code.  I thought you meant quoting myself to see the data in a different way.  When I cut and pasted the data into the reply box it looked fine.  Only when I hit preview does it become all scrambled.  How did you get the data into the table without typing all the code?  I assume you didn't recreate my entire table with new code???

Thanks,
Brennan

[nascarxx29]

Here might be another 999 bird
http://www.lhmopars.com/friends3.html

[gtx6970]

Tim Wellborn 999 petty blue superbird .The trunklid decal reads Crowder Chyrsler Plymouth

Formerlly Jim Walton of Burlington Ky's car. I've driven that car dozens of times.
Jim Walton bought it from a guy in Tenn( can't remember the name right now) HS bought the bird from Jim with one intention- trade it for the silverbullet. Harold had been trying to buy the bullet for some time, but said owner didn't want to sell. BUT,,,( all the time thinking he wouldn't be able to come up with such a color combo) he offered to trade it for a petty blue 6 bbl 4spd white interior bird. The fact the car was unrestored and had never been titled made up for the  console automatic.....At the time it was phenominal money for a bird - $30,000 or $35,000 if I remember right

[nascarxx29]

Thanks for the updated history .When looking around Crowder And Tennesee I did find a guy from the 70s with mopars.Tennessee Thunder Hemi Demon Pro Stock postcard drag ra F. L. Crowder was a Seven Up bottler in Tennessee during the Seventies. Maybe this the guy Jim W got the car off of?

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/tennessee-thunder-hemi-demon-pro-74659494

[pettybird]

Here might be another 999 bird
http://www.lhmopars.com/friends3.html

you actually found one this time.  She's had the car for a LONG time (possibly original owner) and still lives on Long Island.  There are youtube videos with the car as well. 

I'd love to meet her as she's the only other woman I know of (other than mom) with a petty blue car.

[learical1]

   They had to be built prior to the introduction of EPA pollution regulations that went into effect on Jan 1, 1970.    Chrysler was only concerned about the exterior of the vehicles.  

I was of the opinion that the SuperBirds had to be completed before Jan 1, 1970 because of a new federal headlight law that effectively outlawed the vacuum setup.  That's why the 70 Chargers are electric.  Unlike 1969, where Ma Mopar held off until the last minute on the front seat headrests, Dodge made the electric headlamp motors standard at the start of the 70 model year, 'cause they knew that after Jan 1, they would have to electric.  What emission component on a SuperBird is different than a late (after Jan 1) production GTX or RoadRunner?

[moparstuart]

   They had to be built prior to the introduction of EPA pollution regulations that went into effect on Jan 1, 1970.    Chrysler was only concerned about the exterior of the vehicles.  

I was of the opinion that the SuperBirds had to be completed before Jan 1, 1970 because of a new federal headlight law that effectively outlawed the vacuum setup.  That's why the 70 Chargers are electric.  Unlike 1969, where Ma Mopar held off until the last minute on the front seat headrests, Dodge made the electric headlamp motors standard at the start of the 70 model year, 'cause they knew that after Jan 1, they would have to electric.  What emission component on a SuperBird is different than a late (after Jan 1) production GTX or RoadRunner?

wasnt there a new front bumper law in 70 , and thats why they had to make them before janunary 1  ?

[Aero426]

In between F.L. Crowder and Walton,  a man named Eugene Wood from NC owned the car for several years.   Gene has since passed away.  He was in a wheelchair, and brought the blue Bird to Milwaukee for a meet in 1980.   He towed it on a trailer behind a 64ish Cadillac hearse.  This was one of the first wing cars I saw on a trailer of any kind.    Hitail if he is looking in on this will attest that Eugene was quite a character. 

[Arnie Cunningham]

Emissions
Headlights
Bumpers
1970 Nascar season

Four potential reasons for having all the cars built before Jan 1, 1970.  This is a good topic.  Should we start a new thread for it?  There were a number of things that changed mid year - six pack distributors, etc.

Who else has the 1969 "Meets federal standards" small black sticker inside the front driver's door jam of their Superbird?

Brennan

[rainbow4jd]

Where did the number come from though?

If one was reported as Petty Blue & it does not have a J99 VON then it is safe to assume it was not Petty Blue originally. This is one of the reasons I would LOVE to see a compete list of VONs to complement the VIN list.

Anybody?  

Barry this where I seen that given #50 number of built Petty blue superbirds by this poster and owner of a 999 petty superbird rainbow4jd


http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,38347.25.html
There are no Hemi 999 'birds.   It has to do with the Christmas Break special production run of 50 "Petty Blue" Superbirds for marketing purposes.  They are also build sheet notated as NASCAR 2.    They had to be built prior to the introduction of EPA pollution regulations that went into effect on Jan 1, 1970.    Chrysler was only concerned about the exterior of the vehicles.  

This is also why the J codes of the Petty Blue Superbirds are out of sequence.   My  "Petty Bird" is J99501 and has white interior, 440-4V, 3:54 Dana 4 speed, 38,000 original miles.

I'm pretty sure I have been proven wrong that there were no Hemi 999 Birds - there were a handful.   And my comments were related to information I was told 30 years ago, without any verification.  My point being - don't quote me for an authority.  However, it does seem that only about 50 or so 999 Bird exist.

By the way, I was also told that the original prooduction run of Superbirds was 1885 with the 50 extra 999 making it a total of 1935.  I'm probably wrong about that also.

[rainbow4jd]

VIN	Eng	Trans	Interior	Seat Style	Console	J Code	Data Source
155787	U	Auto	White	Bucket	No	?	Winged Warrior List
158623	V	Manual	Black	Bucket	?	?	Unknown Source
158628	U	Manual	White	Bucket	?	99501	Steve Vance
158632	U	?	?	?	?	?	Winged Warrior List
158633	U	Manual	White	Bucket	?	?	Wildman
158634	U	Manual	White	Bucket	?	?	Nascarxx29, Cars On Line, Owner - Barry Kanick?
158636	U	Manual	?	Bucket	No	?	Winged Warrior List
162287	V	Auto	White	Bucket	Yes	?	Winged Warrior List
164667	U	Auto	Black	Bucket	Yes	?	Winged Warrior List
167148	V	Auto	?	?	?	?	Wildman
167970	V	Manual	Black	Bench	N/A	?	Winged Warrior List
168775	V	Manual	Black	Bench	N/A	?	Pettybird
168776	U	Manual	Black	Bench	N/A	99525	Pettybird - owner
16949?	V	Manual?	Black?	Bench?	N/A	?	Was on Ebay - Barry Kanick?
170238	V	Manual	??	??	?	?	Winged Warrior List
170239	V	Manual	Black	Bucket	?	??	Winged Warrior List
171595	V	?	?	?	?	?	Wildman
171684	U	Manual	Black	Bucket	No	?	Winged Warrior List
171684	U	Auto	Black	Bench	N/A	99530	Photos on Ebay
172xxx	R	Auto	Black	Bucket	Yes	?	Winged Warrior List
175692	U	Auto	White	Bucket	?	?	Unknown Source
176681	U	Auto	Black	Bucket	Yes	?	Winged Warrior List
176682	U	Auto	?	Bench	N/A	?	Winged Warrior List
177605	U	?	?	?	?	?	Unknown Source
179xxx	R	Manual	White	Bucket	No	?	Winged Warrior List

Troy

It does seem that the Jcodes do run in some sort of relationship with the VINS - i.e. lower VIN has lower J number.  It also would seem to suggest that they started with J99499  and went up (making my bird - J99501 - the 3rd 999 Bird produced)

But it begs the questions of "why" do the J numbers not run sequential with the VINS?  I also am now more curious about the NASCAR 2 designation on the build sheet (was this 999 birds only?) and the plant release dates.  Did the 999 Birds go to a different paint booth, thus the need for a different Jnumber starting point?  Was there something besides the 999 paint that made them unique?

I think the NASCAR Master Build Sheet - posted elsewhere may give us a clue.   The two J numbers are NOT the range of J Numbers but instead the beginning Jnumber for two different build sequences, or some other distinction. 

Perhaps its something as simple as "build these before Thanksgiving and these afterwards".  Or, "we're going to build some GTX models inbetween these two Superbird runs".  Or, "Anything with 999 paint needs to go to Paint Booth #2, which we will code with J codes atarting at J99499"

[pettybird]

A12 cars have numbers similar to J numbers.  They don't have a letter, but the are order numbers.  Both types of cars had sequence numbers 'set aside' for future production.  They were just place markers for cars to come.  The first 100 cars DO have sequential order numbers but also do NOT have sequential vins.  There is no correlation between the two. 

[rainbow4jd]

A12 cars have numbers similar to J numbers.  They don't have a letter, but the are order numbers.  Both types of cars had sequence numbers 'set aside' for future production.  They were just place markers for cars to come.  The first 100 cars DO have sequential order numbers but also do NOT have sequential vins.  There is no correlation between the two. 

Thanks

[nascarxx29]

Questions and Answers
Q: Just wondering........What are the lowest and highest known Superbird J-numbers? And what are the earliest and latest known
production dates??? Thanks.
A: The "J-number", is the special order number as seen on the Superbird fender tag. The first Superbird was to be J97000. In theory, that is
the "first" car. The earliest known on our list is J97001, with VIN RM23V0A149853. That would be the second car, and so on. The highest
known on our list is J98929 RM23V0A180656. That would be the 1930th car in the sequence. Please note that the J-number has no bearing on
what car was built in what order. Nor is there any numeric sequence between the J-number and specific VIN number.
Corporate (Petty) Blue Superbirds have J99xxx numbers, which fall out of sequence from the others. J99501 is the lowest and J99542 is the
highest currently on file. As I recall, Chrysler's paperwork says that a total of 2500 numbers were set aside for Superbirds. We do not have J
numbers for every car, so we can't tell all the gaps. For some reason, the Petty Blue cars were pulled out of the regular sequence and given
their own block of numbers. This possibly could create unused numbers in the regular J97000 to J99000 sequence.
As far as production dates go, it is not easy to determine the exact date your car was built. This is because all Superbirds have a scheduled
production date of November 30th (B30) on their fender tags and build sheets. This is simply a fake "on paper" build date. The basic cars
would have been built starting in October thru early December '69, and transported over partially complete to the Clairpointe pilot plant for the
rework and installation of Superbird parts. The first car to arrive at Clairpointe was on October 17, 1969. The last "shipped" car I see is
December 19, 1969. Chrysler's target goal was to be done by December 23, 1969. All cars were certified for competition in NASCAR and
other series on January 14thm, 1970. This was done by a survey of dealers, and was just under the wire for the cars to compete at Riverside on
January 18th. Chrysler got them done, shipped and certified in the nick of time.

[rainbow4jd]

Questions and Answers
Q: Just wondering........What are the lowest and highest known Superbird J-numbers? And what are the earliest and latest known
production dates??? Thanks.
A: The "J-number", is the special order number as seen on the Superbird fender tag. The first Superbird was to be J97000. In theory, that is
the "first" car. The earliest known on our list is J97001, with VIN RM23V0A149853. That would be the second car, and so on. The highest
known on our list is J98929 RM23V0A180656. That would be the 1930th car in the sequence. Please note that the J-number has no bearing on
what car was built in what order. Nor is there any numeric sequence between the J-number and specific VIN number.
Corporate (Petty) Blue Superbirds have J99xxx numbers, which fall out of sequence from the others. J99501 is the lowest and J99542 is the
highest currently on file. As I recall, Chrysler's paperwork says that a total of 2500 numbers were set aside for Superbirds. We do not have J
numbers for every car, so we can't tell all the gaps. For some reason, the Petty Blue cars were pulled out of the regular sequence and given
their own block of numbers. This possibly could create unused numbers in the regular J97000 to J99000 sequence.
As far as production dates go, it is not easy to determine the exact date your car was built. This is because all Superbirds have a scheduled
production date of November 30th (B30) on their fender tags and build sheets. This is simply a fake "on paper" build date. The basic cars
would have been built starting in October thru early December '69, and transported over partially complete to the Clairpointe pilot plant for the
rework and installation of Superbird parts. The first car to arrive at Clairpointe was on October 17, 1969. The last "shipped" car I see is
December 19, 1969. Chrysler's target goal was to be done by December 23, 1969. All cars were certified for competition in NASCAR and
other series on January 14thm, 1970. This was done by a survey of dealers, and was just under the wire for the cars to compete at Riverside on
January 18th. Chrysler got them done, shipped and certified in the nick of time.

I love this site!

Any connections of the NASCAR 1 and NASCAR 2 numbers with J numbers?   Originally, I thought the 999 Birds ONLY had NASCAR 2 numbers, but that was from 30 years ago.  I think I read elsewhere there is no such connection.

Does anyone know (then) what the distinction of NASCAR 1 and NASCAR 2 means?

[nascarxx29]

This I where I found the above info
http://www.superbirdclub.com/files/sept_oct_2006_newsletter.pdf

[Arnie Cunningham]

Greetings All,

I have put together a basic 999/Corporate/Petty Blue page for my website.
It can be read here:

http://www.brcook.com/id28.html

Please read through it and offer any comments, information, data etc. that you may have.  Does the page flow?  Does it tell the story?

Thanks,
Brennan R. Cook

[pettybird]

cool stuff.  The C37D is a replacement for V01, or solid color paint.  check out that factory memo I posted in one of these threads.

[Mopar John]

Brennan,
Great work on the corporate blue cars! Being a number cruncher I find it very interesting! The number of 50 has been thrown about for years and this is the most complete documentation to this point! I sure would like to know if the other R car is real. Wouldn't that be special!
Mopar John