Is this an original direct-drive hemi 4-speed starter?

[hemi68charger]

Is this an original direct-drive hemi 4-speed starter? More questions on my buddy's '68 Hemi 4-speed 'Runner.........

Thanks..

[maxwellwedge]

Get me all the numbers off it, dates casting #'s - snout, body - wherever you see them and I'll let you know.

[John_Kunkel]

Some early stick shift trucks use one that looks quite similar.

[maxwellwedge]

Here are some notes I made - I do have 2 Hemi originals at the shop that I want to re-check and remember the deal with them.

The Hemi starters do have 2642930 on the barrel ( the /6 having the "100" number). Also some other numbers and the one I looked at had a date of 35 8 on it. According to the parts book the nose/head is part number 1889363 - same for Hemi and /6. The solenoids carry different part numbers for both engines.

[hemigeno]

Here are some notes I made - I do have 2 Hemi originals at the shop that I want to re-check and remember the deal with them.

The Hemi starters do have 2642930 on the barrel ( the /6 having the "100" number). Also some other numbers and the one I looked at had a date of 35 8 on it. According to the parts book the nose/head is part number 1889363 - same for Hemi and /6. The solenoids carry different part numbers for both engines.

Jim, I don't doubt for a second that you've quoted exactly what the parts book says about the nose/head, but the direct-drive Hemi starters do have a different nose casting than the slant six's based on what I've observed and been told.  '66 manual Hemi starters have a one-year only part number on the barrel of 2642445 and a one-year only nose casting number of 2642443.  '67-69 manual starters have a part number on the barrel of 2642930 as you've stated, but they have a nose casting number of 2642928.  Why the difference in Hemi starters (especially when the '66 and '67 stick Hemi's used the exact same bellhousing), I dunno.

Allen V. (xs29j8Bullitt) did a good photo comparison of the /6 and Hemi starters to show they are slightly different.  I thought maybe I had sent those pics to you, but maybe not.  Anyway, here's one of his pictures:

[hemigeno]

Is this an original direct-drive hemi 4-speed starter? More questions on my buddy's '68 Hemi 4-speed 'Runner.........

Thanks..

Troy, the nose casting of your friend's starter is definitely '67-69 Hemi stuff.  However, it looks like it could have been rebuilt at some point.  Most of the original (meaning not rebuilt) Hemi starters seem to have phillips-head screws on the barrel rather than standard-tip screws.  I'm not gonna say that NO Hemi direct-drive starters were built with standard-tip screws, and maybe phillips screws are more prevalent on the '69 model year that you already know I tend to gravitate towards.  My guess is that if you look on the barrel you'll see either a 1889100 or 1889200 part number stamped on it - a sure sign that it's been rebuilt and had the barrel swapped out.  

From what I've seen, it seems to be a fairly rare oddity to see a Hemi direct-drive starter that still has it's original barrel.

[hemi68charger]

Thanks guys.....
Is there anyone that provides rebuild services?

[69rtse4spd]

Might try an older shop that dose rewinds on motors. There is two places in FT. Wayne that rebuilds elect. motors & starters, if I can remember tomorrow I will call & see what they say, maybe they can find something in your area. Have to make my self a note or will forget to call. . Jeff. 

[maxwellwedge]

I was looking for our notes on this - we were talking on the phone while I had one in my hand. I didn't find my notes so I did the parts book thing. I do remember now that you and I agreed on what the originals had on them while I was eyeballing an original.

I got lazy - please find it in your heart to forgive me!   

Here are some notes I made - I do have 2 Hemi originals at the shop that I want to re-check and remember the deal with them.

The Hemi starters do have 2642930 on the barrel ( the /6 having the "100" number). Also some other numbers and the one I looked at had a date of 35 8 on it. According to the parts book the nose/head is part number 1889363 - same for Hemi and /6. The solenoids carry different part numbers for both engines.

Jim, I don't doubt for a second that you've quoted exactly what the parts book says about the nose/head, but the direct-drive Hemi starters do have a different nose casting than the slant six's based on what I've observed and been told.  '66 manual Hemi starters have a one-year only part number on the barrel of 2642445 and a one-year only nose casting number of 2642443.  '67-69 manual starters have a part number on the barrel of 2642930 as you've stated, but they have a nose casting number of 2642928.  Why the difference in Hemi starters (especially when the '66 and '67 stick Hemi's used the exact same bellhousing), I dunno.

Allen V. (xs29j8Bullitt) did a good photo comparison of the /6 and Hemi starters to show they are slightly different.  I thought maybe I had sent those pics to you, but maybe not.  Anyway, here's one of his pictures:

[hemigeno]

I got lazy - please find it in your heart to forgive me!   

Sure, just find everything on the parts wish list I sent you and all will be forgiven   

Is there anyone that provides rebuild services?

There are still shops around that will rebuild/rewind the motor, however I remember reading somewhere about asking the rebuilder to add additional copper winding (within the limits of the housing, of course) to help give the motor a little more torque.  The direct-drive starters were weak from the get-go, which probably explains why so few of them made it through without being rebuilt somewhere down the line.

[69rtse4spd]

Well the one place I called while Mopar John was down had an unlisted number. Could not remember the name of the other place, but know where it is & will be in FT. Wayne Sat. so will stop by & check. Let you know what I find out.

[69rtse4spd]

Did not make up on Sat.,( sorry, please forgive me, no 50 lashes with a wet noodle). Will get there this week, got to go to Mosers to get a set of gears first then will head North, have not forgotten.

[69rtse4spd]

OK, Barneys Auto Electric 1-800-345-6939, they do rebuild auto starters, do not increase the windings. They  said to get on line  in Texas, & check for starter rebuilds. The lashings can stop now.