Smoking foes try to stop parents from lighting up in their own home

[73dodge]

Click on the link below

Regardless of you views on smoking this is government slowly taking away rights. Notice the "It's for the kids argument" they use to ban smoking in your private homes.

It started by

Government suing the tobacco industry
then banning smoking from public buildings
then banning it from private buildings
then banning it in public places like parks
the banning it from restaraunts
then within city limits except within your car
now you can be fired from your job for smoking or being a smoker in your home

They are currently trying to enact laws stopping you from smoking in your car with kids present
then they will enact a law banning it from private residences when kids are home

the last steps are
banning it in private homes period and then private cars
and pretty soon it will be illegal to smoke.

I also heard that some city in California the fine for smoking a cigarette is more than smoking a joint.

http://washingtontimes.com/metro/20051215-112826-9119r.htm

Okay why should you care even if you don't smoke?

Because this is a TEMPLATE for getting other things banned that the government and usually democrats (but not all) and some Republicans will use for other areas.

Like Guns this is what they will try to use to remove guns from private ownership

First sue the gun makers for what ignorant people do with guns
then ban them from all sorts of places
all the while using the "It's for the kids argument"

Well maybe you don't like guns either

Well just think of the possibilities

Like banning those polluting cars made before a certain date like say 2003? The old cars pollute the atmosphere and are hurting the children so we must crush them to protect the future generation.

Don't want to start an argument but what the heck I have only had one post locked so far.

[Silver R/T]

its all fine by me. I do not smoke and think its bad habit. Everyone should quit for their own health. I for one dont care if they smoke in their own space but when I have to smell that shit at work etc. I dont have to deal with it

[Andrew]

They banned smoking in bars and resturaunts here too.
Now whenever I walk down the street I have to walk through crowds of smokers.


Figure the rest out for yourselvs, Im too tired to finish this post.

[dkn1997]

If you need to be told not blow smoke in your kids face, then your smelly habit is the least of your problems.

[BigBlockSam]

pretty soon there gonna put camera's in your house to see what your doing. if your having any kind of fun, they'll pass a law so you can't do it any more. i don't smoke cigs but i think government is out of control. Rene

[Big Lebowski]

pretty soon there gonna put camera's in your house to see what your doing. if your having any kind of fun, they'll pass a law so you can't do it any more. i don't smoke cigs but i think government is out of control. Rene

  Then each smoke would get you a $100 fine. They'd just send the ticket in the mail with a picture of you on your own couch tokin it up. Light up a big fat doobie and see what the fine would be.

[Vainglory, Esq.]

Man, anti-smoking people really just make me wanna light up just to spite them.  I mean, come on.  No smoking in bars?  Don't you think it should be the bars' and the patrons' choice?  I'd definitely go have a cigarette now out of spite, but I kind of accidentally quit.  Oh well.

[hemihead]

I wonder what it will take for people to WAKE UP! First it starts by taking smoker's rights away , then it's something else.I don't drink but I don't cry about people drinking.I bet if they tried to close the Bars there would be mass rioting.Don't worry people this is just the beginning,your favorite vice is just around the corner from being banned.Did you hear that they want to stop High School Football programs?Too many kids getting injured , many seriously.Oh I can hear people crying about that.It's all just a popularity contest.Whatever isn't popular will get outlawed.
All by the government.By the way, the government isn't some faceless entity,It's all of us.

[dkn1997]

There have been studies done that say that secondhand smoke kills.  And that's the prevailing wisdom today.  I don't know enough about that part to say whether it's true or not.  BUT, that is the arguement behind the anti smoking legislation.  people who choose not to smoke should not have to inhale it. 

Non drinkers are not going to be harmed by smelling alcohol in a bar, but non smokers can be harmed by the smoke.  but if a drunk rams you and kills you, you can be harmed by that.  but it is not exactly the same thing.  again, I don't know how true the whole secondhand smoke thing is.

I really hope it is not, because I grew up in a house with two heavy smokers.

.   I just happen to hate the smell, so things are looking up for me with all these new laws. 

I know I made a lot of friends on the last smoking thread by going off like a maniac about the smell, so I will tone it down a bit here.  If you don't smoke, it's hard to describe for you how nasty it smells, though.  I guess I am more sensitive to it now, living in NY where you cannot smoke anywhere anymore.  I have not had to sit in a resturaunt or bar smelling it in at least 5 years so when I walk through the "cloud" walking into a building or resturaunt, , I am just not used to it.

[hemihead]

I respect your view but people are worried about a little smoke compaired to what else is put into the air?And people say they don't like the smell? That's fine, but next time the people that drink go to a resturant and order a drink they should think maybe there are people in that room who don't like the smell of that either.Do you ever think there will be a lawsiut against the alcohol producers?I guess all the anti smoking witch hunt is about people who are too uptight and have nothing else to worry about.The government sued the tobacco companies but funny, i don't think the Cigar companies or the Chewing/ Snuff companies.And the amount that was awarded was supposed to be used partly to help people suffering from tobacco use.So where is those millions of dollars?
The point i'm making is the government sued on behalf of the uptight anti-smoking coalition just to get their hands on more money.The anti  smokers were used.

[Andrew]

Its these people who try to ban everything who are ruining society.
Its not drugs, or violence.


What will they try to ban next?

Classic cars?
Beer?
Mullits?

What will people like me do when we grow up?

We wont be able to grow mullits.
We wont be able to drive our mopars.
We wont be able to grow mullits.
And we sure as hell wont be able to grow a mullit then go do burnouts in our mopar while trying not to spill our beer.

[73dodge]

I think you missed my point. That being smoking is currently on the unacceptable activities list so the politicians seeking popularity jump on the "ban" bandwagon enacting legislation outlawing a certain behaviour.

And you people keep saying that government can't regulate morality......

But I think I can safely say that probably 80% of the people don't like smoking so no one sees a problem with the dogooders and feelgooders joining together to regulate this "repulsive" behaviour. The sound good reason is it's is because they are "doing it for the children"

Now who could argue against something that is good for children?

But pretty soon what other behaviour will the doogooders and the feelgooders will decide they don't like next?

The polluting muscle cars? And who would stop them as 80% of the population don't own or care about classic cars, what if they decide you can't drive your car unless you install thousands of dollars in pollution and smog control equipment or else you can't drive them? Like smaller engines for better gas mileage. The argument could be made that it's the style and looks that make a car "classic" so you really don't performance to make it a classic car.

get my point?

this is not a "I hate smoking" thread but it is meant to be something deeper.

When we blindly go along with what the politicans and the feelgooders do and not say anything because we don't happen to like a certain behaviour then EVENTUALLY they will get around to your particular "vice"

[73-charger-383]

i just quit smoking and have realized how terrible the smell actually is, and second hand smoke suposedly is terrible for people, but i think that it's completly stupid to keep trying to "crack down" on smokers.  I think it's the individuals right to do what they want.  If you're employer allows smoking on the job and you don't like it, find another job.  Same with the bars --- if it's too smokey where you drink, drink somewhere else.  --there is a point where common sense should prevail.....but that's just my .02.

[dkn1997]

another reason the smokers get picked on is the frequency with which people smoke.  classic cars, booze, and many other things may be offensive to some, people are not exposed to them very often.  generally, you can pretty easily avoid people who drink, drive old muscle cars, etc... but you cannot avoid smokers.  it's everywhere. 

Hopefully, people are not out in front of the building at break time boozing up.  But they are out there smoking.  The more people see it, the more of an issue it becomes.

[73dodge]

another reason the smokers get picked on is the frequency with which people smoke.  classic cars, booze, and many other things may be offensive to some, people are not exposed to them very often.  generally, you can pretty easily avoid people who drink, drive old muscle cars, etc... but you cannot avoid smokers.  it's everywhere. 

Hopefully, people are not out in front of the building at break time boozing up.  But they are out there smoking.  The more people see it, the more of an issue it becomes.

yea but the pollution from your muscle cars affects everybody what if they demand that everyone drive either hybrids or other forms of zero emmision cars. What if they single out older cars and say their pollution effects everyone on the planet and is the main contributer to carbon green house gasses. Then they decide to either impose a heavy tax on you or try to legislate your car out of existance. They won't just do this out of the blue and at one time but what if they decide to single out old car owners as uncaring people who don't care about the evironment and are just selfish for driving high polluting vehicles. Then you get followed down the road while driving your Charger by a wakko in a toyota prius all while being yelled at for being a polluter.

Just think about that awhile and see if you don't think that is a plausible arguement?

[my73charger]

I don't smoke, never have.  I hate cig smoke, I hate second hand smoke.  But I don't need the government overregulating me either.  I like freedom, I hate the seatbelt law, but I wear seat belts cause I think it is safer.  Enough regulating.  Freedom of choice is being trampled on.

[BigBlockSam]

legalize freedom

[dkn1997]

another reason the smokers get picked on is the frequency with which people smoke.  classic cars, booze, and many other things may be offensive to some, people are not exposed to them very often.  generally, you can pretty easily avoid people who drink, drive old muscle cars, etc... but you cannot avoid smokers.  it's everywhere. 

Hopefully, people are not out in front of the building at break time boozing up.  But they are out there smoking.  The more people see it, the more of an issue it becomes.

yea but the pollution from your muscle cars affects everybody what if they demand that everyone drive either hybrids or other forms of zero emmision cars. What if they single out older cars and say their pollution effects everyone on the planet and is the main contributer to carbon green house gasses. Then they decide to either impose a heavy tax on you or try to legislate your car out of existance. They won't just do this out of the blue and at one time but what if they decide to single out old car owners as uncaring people who don't care about the evironment and are just selfish for driving high polluting vehicles. Then you get followed down the road while driving your Charger by a wakko in a toyota prius all while being yelled at for being a polluter.

Just think about that awhile and see if you don't think that is a plausible arguement?

I'm Just saying that it becomes an issue because everybody sees it everyday.  with the other things, not so much.  we are a world of "out of sight, out of mind"  they did not get tough on dwi untill the media started publishing all of the deaths, and it was on the mind of the general public.  They did not start with the antismoking legislation until all of the death figures from lung cancer became more well known.

[Andrew]

Cars dont actually cause that much pollution.

Jet plaines are the highest contributer to the hole in the ozone layer, and farming and agriculture produces a sh|tload of greenhouse gases.


Ban farmers, leave cars out of this.

[Troy]

Cars dont actually cause that much pollution.

Jet plaines are the highest contributer to the hole in the ozone layer, and farming and agriculture produces a sh|tload of greenhouse gases.


Ban farmers, leave cars out of this.

I suppose you have some sort of research to back that up right?

Troy

[GTX]

   


I wonder how long it'll take for this to get nasty?

[derailed]

If you need to be told not blow smoke in your kids face, then your smelly habit is the least of your problems.

   Well said

[my73charger]

Life causes death.

[red72chrgr]

I smoke, therefore it doesn't bother me anymore when people say "you can't smoke in here" I just take my business elsewhere. As for vehicles causing pollution, I live outside Chattanooga,Tn. and the state has decided that trucks need to slow down in metro areas because they cause too much pollution. I asked a city councilman "What about the wind that blows the pollution from the 70 mph zones?" No answer from him. Guess I stumped him? When the American people WITH common sense wake up and tell the groups looking for Utopia to "Shut up", maybe things will get straight. I doubt it will ever happen. The anti-smoking crowd is just the tip of the iceberg so to speak. It will soon be the things in YOUR life that matter to you. I understand where 73Dodge is coming from.

[JimShine]

I am glad there is no smoking in restaurants. I enjoy that more. But I don't understand bars.