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I think the 4 door Chargers are wining the popularity contest!

Started by Back N Black, June 09, 2010, 10:49:01 AM

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Road Dog

By the way GPULLER the new Charger is the fifth Generation to wear the name.  Let's not forget about the two door fourth gen metric car that was part of the Horizon, Omni, etc. line.  It might be nice to have one of those in a Shelby.  The owners of those are still Charger owners although that's not a B-body car either.

What Generation are those mid 70's Chargers? :shruggy: I like the new Charger. Anything V8 and rear wheel drive has my vote. :2thumbs:
If your wheels ain't spinn'n you ain't got no traction.

twodko

Man, I hear you about the Pious's. While the new Chargers aren't attractive to me I do like the 300M (hope that's the model). Black on black with 18's they look bad and elegant at the same time. I've become accustomed to all the gadgetry we enjoy nowadays too. Having power windows and power seats with leather if you wanted to bump up to an SE, that must have been plush back in the day. We're all lucky and blessed to be able to afford a new car of any kind and have a vintage Charger, Superbee, Daytona, RR, Chally or GTX too. Could be a lot worse......remember the LeCar and the Yugo?  Yeoow!

Tom
FLY NAVY/Marine Corps or take the bus!

Neal_J

As Gary Coleman would say...

Lennard

Quote from: Wicked72 on June 09, 2010, 06:40:56 PM
Its nothing against the car just the name put on it... true Charger loyalty is in the roots of what the car is, and 4 is something its not. They put effort into keeping the look of the challenger yet bring it into the new age, but for the charger some douche bag threw together a car without taking a second thought into the travesty of putting the Charger name on it. Its a good looking car but its not a charger, its a dodge 4 door to me until they can come up with a different name. :2thumbs:

:iagree:

Ponch ®

Quote from: Wicked72 on June 09, 2010, 06:40:56 PM
Its nothing against the car just the name put on it... true Charger loyalty is in the roots of what the car is, and 4 is something its not. They put effort into keeping the look of the challenger yet bring it into the new age, but for the charger some douche bag threw together a car without taking a second thought into the travesty of putting the Charger name on it. Its a good looking car but its not a charger, its a dodge 4 door to me until they can come up with a different name. :2thumbs:

I hear "its not the car, its the name..it'd be ok if it was named something else" a lot, and then in the next breath "the car is ugly/big/heavy..blah blah".

They are entirely different cars, they happen to share the same name. that's about it. On the other hand, I think that the R/T, Daytonas, and SRT's more than do justice to the name as far as performance and "badass" factor. Having said that, I'll be the first one to admit that I cringe when I see a fleet of 2.7L V6 plain "chargers" sitting in a car rental lot or as taxicabs...

Having been around the LX scene for about 4 years now, I can assure you that 90% of the people driving around in Chargers/Magnums/300's - and by "the people" i mean the car enthusiast types, even the bling bling homies - have nothing but respect and 'love' for the old muscle. If we're at a show/cruise and some one pulls up in an old muscle car/street rod/etc, everyone will start oggling at them.

By the same token, at these same cruises and car shows there are a lot of the old timers who'll come by and say stuff along the lines of "nice car...if I was your age now, this is what I'd be driving", or two old guys will walk by talking to each other, look at the car, and say "remember when we were kids their age? that was us". Now, I know my car isn't a SEMA showstopper by modern car standards and its NOT gonna steal any attention away from the Hemi road runner parked two cars over, but I've put a lot of work and effort (I've gotten away with not sinking a ton of $ into it though), so hearing stuff like that means a lot.
"I spent most of my money on cars, birds, and booze. The rest I squandered." - George Best

Chrysler Performance West

Ghoste

LOL, well that's why the name is wrong.  "Charger" just should not be applied to something that is big, heavy and ugly:lol:

Ponch ®

Quote from: Ghoste on June 10, 2010, 11:32:36 AM
LOL, well that's why the name is wrong.  "Charger" just should not be applied to something that is big, heavy and ugly:lol:

explain the first gens then.... :stirthepot:
"I spent most of my money on cars, birds, and booze. The rest I squandered." - George Best

Chrysler Performance West


stuga

  I  think of it this way, 1) if dodge didn't produce a family car with 4doors and bend it a little to the males(charger name) then they probably would have went bankrupt a long time ago. 2) since the 4door remake has come out, there has been a steady rise in finding and restoring the first three Generations (makes me happy) 3) since the upsurge restoring the early years there has been a greater demand and a response from Mopar and other company's for reproduction parts.  
In light of these conditions, I don't mind the new chargers, It makes ours that much more desirable.

Ghoste

I think I would have to disagree that naming the current four door mid size Dodge family car had any real impact on staving off a financial meltdown.  Especially seeing as how they had one anyway.
I think I would also be highly skeptical that the current offering has had much to do with interest in restoring the older ones.  A tiny handful perhaps but very very few.
It's just my opinion though.

GPULLER

Quote from: Ponch ® on June 10, 2010, 11:37:24 AM
Quote from: Ghoste on June 10, 2010, 11:32:36 AM
LOL, well that's why the name is wrong.  "Charger" just should not be applied to something that is big, heavy and ugly:lol:

explain the first gens then.... :stirthepot:

Come on now..play nice.  :slap:

BigBlackDodge

Quote from: Back N Black on June 09, 2010, 10:49:01 AM
In the last couple of weeks cursing in the charger, I chatted with a few 4 door guys and they sort of snubbed the old 2 door Chargers. Having a coffee with a couple of friends that I have not seen in years and one of them mentioned that he had a charger. Wow that's awesome me too, what year? And he said 2009, what year is yours? I said 69 and they had a puzzled look on their face. We finished our coffee and went outside to look at the Chargers, They had a quick glance at my Charger and walked over to the 09 Charger, started going on and on about the gadgets and features. I jumped in my Charger, did a big old burn out and left!   :icon_smile_wink:

I was cursing in mine the other day too when the fusible link went poof! ;D

Seriously though, they probably were upset because you removed the back doors on your classic...............what were you thinking man........ :scratchchin:



BBD

TruckDriver

Quote from: Troy on June 09, 2010, 01:05:31 PM
I have found the same thing with cell phones - there are phones now that can work miracles but when you read closely you find that the call quality is horrible (ie the phone does everything well except what you really need a phone for).

Troy

Ain't that the truth. Just try to go and buy a cell phone that is strictly a phone, or a phone with a camera only. It's almost impossable now.
PETE

My Dad taught me about TIME TRAVEL.
"If you don't straighten up, I'm going to knock you into the middle of next week!" :P

Magnumcharger

I guess I like the new Chargers...but mostly when they made them a two-door and called them "Challengers"! He he he

And I CONSTANTLY get thumbs up with my Plum Crazy Classic.....way more than my four-door Charger friends get with theirs.

And, as a matter of fact, I haven't seen this many "smiles per mile" since I used to drive my '68 Charger R/T!!

So I guess I've got the best of both worlds! :icon_smile_big:
1968 Plymouth Barracuda Formula S 340 convertible
1968 Dodge Charger R/T 426 Hemi 4 speed
1968 Plymouth Barracuda S/S clone 426 Hemi auto
1969 Dodge Deora pickup clone 318 auto
1971 Dodge Charger R/T 440 auto
1972 Dodge C600 318 4 speed ramp truck
1972 Dodge C800 413 5 speed
1979 Chrysler 300 T-top 360 auto
2001 Dodge RAM Sport Offroad 360 auto
2010 Dodge Challenger R/T 6 speed
2014 RAM Laramie 5.7 Hemi 8 speed

mauve66

so what gen is it now????

1st gen - 66/67
2nd gen - 68/70
3rd gen - 71/74
4th gen - 75/78?
5th gen - 86?/92?
6th gen - 06/current
Robert-Las Vegas, NV

NEEDS:
body work
paint - mauve and black
powder coat wheels - mauve and black
total wiring
PW
PDLKS
Tint
trim
engine - 520/540, eddy heads, 6pak
alignment

ITSA426

Sounds about right unless we include the 64 & 65 concept cars.

Black Charger

I find it funny that people slam the LX Chargers because they don't look like the old ones, but yet, absolutely NONE of the previous generations of Chargers resembled each other. I actually think that the LX Chargers borrow a few subtle lines from the first and second generations (please spare me the "it wasn't designed by someone who was into classic Mopars" argument), where the previous gens didn't share anything with other gens. Not a single body panel. Chrysler created a powerful, attractive RWD HEMI-powered muscle car that has gained it's own following with an entirely new generation of enthusiasts. That can't be all bad, can  it?

TK73

I really tried to give the new ones a chance.  I like the front end but the back doors and body lines there just F up the whole thing.

Rented one for a w/e.  Felt like I was back driving my Suburban with all the room behind the front seats.  Hated the way it drove/felt.



1973 Charger : 440cid - 727 - 8.75/3.55


Now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical,
      a liberal, oh fanatical, criminal.
Won't you sign up your name, we'd like to feel you're
      acceptable, respectable, oh presentable, a vegetable!

200MPH

Quote from: Black Charger on June 13, 2010, 11:27:44 AM
I find it funny that people slam the LX Chargers because they don't look like the old ones, but yet, absolutely NONE of the previous generations of Chargers resembled each other. I actually think that the LX Chargers borrow a few subtle lines from the first and second generations (please spare me the "it wasn't designed by someone who was into classic Mopars" argument), where the previous gens didn't share anything with other gens. Not a single body panel. Chrysler created a powerful, attractive RWD HEMI-powered muscle car that has gained it's own following with an entirely new generation of enthusiasts. That can't be all bad, can  it?

:iagree:
Charger

BigBlackDodge

Quote from: Black Charger on June 13, 2010, 11:27:44 AM
I find it funny that people slam the LX Chargers because they don't look like the old ones, but yet, absolutely NONE of the previous generations of Chargers resembled each other. I actually think that the LX Chargers borrow a few subtle lines from the first and second generations (please spare me the "it wasn't designed by someone who was into classic Mopars" argument), where the previous gens didn't share anything with other gens. Not a single body panel. Chrysler created a powerful, attractive RWD HEMI-powered muscle car that has gained it's own following with an entirely new generation of enthusiasts. That can't be all bad, can  it?

Dodge had the design of the car before the name was picked, thats a fact! Finding similar styling cues to any of the old versions is a joke, because there wasn't any desgined into it from the start.......they didn't know what it was going to be called. My 2000 Intrepid shares as much 'Charger' heritage as any of the new versions...... :icon_smile_big:  This will soon change with 2011 Charger though, they're now slapping on the 'Charger' styling elements to please the critics and improve it's looks. Still sporting 4 doors though.  :slap:

One thing all the old Chargers from the 60's to the 80's shared.................the number of doors. :nana:


BBD

chargergirl

Quote from: Ponch ® on June 10, 2010, 11:37:24 AM
Quote from: Ghoste on June 10, 2010, 11:32:36 AM
LOL, well that's why the name is wrong.  "Charger" just should not be applied to something that is big, heavy and ugly:lol:

explain the first gens then.... :stirthepot:
WHAT! First Gens are BEAUTIFUL! They are the beginning of all that is Charger!
Trust your Woobie!

Akron_Charger

i like the new ones (especially the Daytonas), prefer the old ones of course. not sure i like the 2011 look though from what ive seen so far

MRCHARGER

Unless you own both you're just speculating as to how close the new Charger is to being a "real" Charger. In the 80's a tiny little re-shaped omni called the shelby charger came out and I didn't think of it as a real Charger. Then my wife bought one with the shelby package and the turbo it had decent power but it came from the front wheels! It had a hatch back, but according to you guys it's a real Charger because it had only two doors. Not in my book, a real Charger can hang the back end around a corner, tires ablaze, and without the ebrake on.

I drive my 08 just as hard as I have ever driven my 68 and with the exception of straight line excellartion and the nostalgia factor, the new one beats it in all other areas. Cold air and Diablo tuned it shocks many new and old mustangs regularly. My 68 Charger was marketed as a family performance car with seating for five. My 08 is just a badass family sedan.

MaMopar decides what is a real Charger and what isn't so you just have to figure out how to deal with it. Love it or hate it, it's a Charger. Seems like DodgeCharger.com would be the place where all things Charger are celebrated, loved and respected. Doesn't seem like thats the case in this thread.

I hope I don't run accross a new 6.1 Charger with twin turbos because my 540hp 440 will not be enough.

Sounds like some of you guys might be using rotary dial phones with the line split for dial-up service. Can't you embrace just a little bit of the modern era? We have Hemi and R/T and rear wheel drive again just go with it man. Or are you jealous that there is a new generation of gear heads who get to run up and down woodward in rearwheel drive muscle cars? I'm really one of the lucky ones I can go modern or old school just depends on what keys I grabjavascript:void(0);

Back N Black

Quote from: MRCHARGER on June 14, 2010, 01:11:00 AM
Unless you own both you're just speculating as to how close the new Charger is to being a "real" Charger. In the 80's a tiny little re-shaped omni called the shelby charger came out and I didn't think of it as a real Charger. Then my wife bought one with the shelby package and the turbo it had decent power but it came from the front wheels! It had a hatch back, but according to you guys it's a real Charger because it had only two doors. Not in my book, a real Charger can hang the back end around a corner, tires ablaze, and without the ebrake on.

I drive my 08 just as hard as I have ever driven my 68 and with the exception of straight line excellartion and the nostalgia factor, the new one beats it in all other areas. Cold air and Diablo tuned it shocks many new and old mustangs regularly. My 68 Charger was marketed as a family performance car with seating for five. My 08 is just a badass family sedan.

MaMopar decides what is a real Charger and what isn't so you just have to figure out how to deal with it. Love it or hate it, it's a Charger. Seems like DodgeCharger.com would be the place where all things Charger are celebrated, loved and respected. Doesn't seem like thats the case in this thread.

I hope I don't run accross a new 6.1 Charger with twin turbos because my 540hp 440 will not be enough.

Sounds like some of you guys might be using rotary dial phones with the line split for dial-up service. Can't you embrace just a little bit of the modern era? We have Hemi and R/T and rear wheel drive again just go with it man. Or are you jealous that there is a new generation of gear heads who get to run up and down woodward in rearwheel drive muscle cars? I'm really one of the lucky ones I can go modern or old school just depends on what keys I grabjavascript:void(0);

When i started the thread, my point was that the new charger owners(for the most part) no nothing about the charger heritage. They think the charger was created in 2005 and there was no such thing as a 2 door charger, nor do they care. I checked out a new Hemi charger and did not like it, so i bought a Impala SS.

Ponch ®

"I spent most of my money on cars, birds, and booze. The rest I squandered." - George Best

Chrysler Performance West