'08 Dodge Cuda?

[Charger Aficionado]

The body is similar... But I don't see how they can re-do the NAME...?

[Troy]

That says "Challenger".

Oh yeah, you're about two weeks late as well...

Troy

[TK73]

http://www.creatingthelie.com/

[70charginglizard]

Hold on a minute. Thats a new Cherger rear end on that cuda. Now how can they do that?
I don't remember the old charger rear end having the same rear end as a cuda. Oh wait a munute. That must be the new way of making pony size cars, just copy the design of there new sudan rear ends.....lol

[Big Lebowski]

Retro is "in" all of a sudden. Go figure? Mr. Creed must be a genious for seeing the light. 

[Charger1970]

Could that Abe-Lincoln-beard-sized front bumper be any bigger?

[Carlwalski]

Simple..........



The all NEW........

'Cuda by Chrysler 

[Charger Aficionado]

This Cuda is what I'd like to see:

[Shakey]

Deaj vu!

I recall Chrysler tempting all of us a few years back with a really sweet looking Charger.   

By the time '08 rolls around this thing could have 2 doors alright, along with two sliding doors, a power tailgate and fold-away rear seats. 

Let's just wait and see what happens.   

Oh, and BTW, Trevor Creed and the folks at Chrysler don't give a rats a$$ what you, me or any of the folks on these message boards think.  These companies spend a ton of dough on market research to reach the masses, whether they're right or wrong, we won't have say!  The only true way to make a difference, go back to school, study hard and get a job working for Daimler in the design department.  Put in your time, start with designing cup holders and work your way up to tail lights.  By the time you get promoted all the way up the ladder, Trevor will be ready to retire and you can have his job.  Then we can all PM you and give you $hit for what a crappy job your doing because you will learn, you can't please everyone!  Good luck! 

[73rallye440magnum]

well said shakey...

[4cruzin]

Hold on a minute. Thats a new Cherger rear end on that cuda. Now how can they do that?

Ummmm where do you see the rear of the car??     I think I'm gonna 

[253862656971]

This Cuda is what I'd like to see:

I don't know, I see a pretty bland car in that pic.  It has great potential to be awesome or great potential to be another sedan.  Aside from the grill and hood and paint it really isn't all that different from the other sedans around.  It needs a little more flare and a little more oomf.  It really needs something on the side like gills or some body lines to break up the smooth contours (like the 2nd gen charger with the indentations on the doors). 

It really has great potential but I see a flopper coming from DCX.

[Big Lebowski]

Deaj vu!

I recall Chrysler tempting all of us a few years back with a really sweet looking Charger.     

By the time '08 rolls around this thing could have 2 doors alright, along with two sliding doors, a power tailgate and fold-away rear seats.  

Let's just wait and see what happens.     

Oh, and BTW, Trevor Creed and the folks at Chrysler don't give a rats a$$ what you, me or any of the folks on these message boards think.   These companies spend a ton of dough on market research to reach the masses, whether they're right or wrong, we won't have say!   The only true way to make a difference, go back to school, study hard and get a job working for Daimler in the design department.   Put in your time, start with designing cup holders and work your way up to tail lights.   By the time you get promoted all the way up the ladder, Trevor will be ready to retire and you can have his job.   Then we can all PM you and give you $hit for what a crappy job your doing because you will learn, you can't please everyone!   Good luck!  

  Mr. Creed can kiss my rats a$$. He's an idiot, and the proof is...."Charger sales ok, but not as good as the 300". To some people, "ok" means "Great success" 

    While the "Retro Mustang" is attracting all the "Retro buyers" 175,000 this year, what did the ANTI-RETRO Mr. creed offer up to the "masses"?...That 4 door disgrace using the great Charger name. But although Mr. Creed is WAY LATE for the "Retro party", the "Retro" Challenger is on the way.

    But I guess Mr. Creed really was never "anti retro" because cough, cough,  the "retro" Challenger was allegedly being tooled during Mr. Creed's "Anti Retro comments" like...."They think their Chargers are the real things" and "The new Charger won't be warmed over sheet metal from the past" What an idiot, and who could forget..."If you want a '69 charger, then go buy one. There's a market for them".

      Damn straight, "The new Chargers just ok sales numbers" proves we did buy the '69 Charger instead of that "anti retro" 4 door.

  "These companies spend a ton of dough on market research to reach the masses"...Too bad it didn't work. They just wasted their time & money. Mr. Creed being late for the "retro party", proves my point.

[Silver R/T]

id rather own 70

[TheGhost]

Retro is "in" all of a sudden. Go figure? Mr. Creed must be a genious for seeing the light. 

Um... maybe you didn't read the article, but that isn't a DCX concept.  It's a concept drawn by some guy, who also drew some Challenger and Charger concepts.  Completely unrelated to DCX.

[TheGhost]

But I guess Mr. Creed really was never "anti retro" because cough, cough,  the "retro" Challenger was allegedly being tooled during Mr. Creed's "Anti Retro comments"

Of course it was.  It takes alot longer than one year to design, build, test, then work out the bugs.

[Big Lebowski]

But I guess Mr. Creed really was never "anti retro" because cough, cough,   the "retro" Challenger was allegedly being tooled during Mr. Creed's "Anti Retro comments"

Of course it was.   It takes alot longer than one year to design, build, test, then work out the bugs.

  That still doesn't expliain why the "anti-retro" Mr. Creed spent a whole year bad mouthing the "retro" style. All he did was piss alot of people off. Maybe if you've had 11 Chargers since 1982, then you'd be pissed off too.  Mr. Creed's year long assault on the "Retro style" proves they scrambled to shut him up & build the "retro" Challenger. Mr. Creed's an idiot for creating this controversy in the first place.

[FastbackJon]

The Challenger looks cool, and so does the Cuda. But I still won't be happy unless they stop disgracing the Charger nameplate. You would think that if they name it a "Hemi Charger R/T" that you would at least be able to hear a musclecar sounding exhaust, but the salesman I talked to said that people didn't like it that way. I guess he's talking about the soccer moms that they are also trying to market the car to. They tried to please everyone by making an intermediate car like that, but the musclecar guys don't like it because it isn't muscular looking or sounding enough, and the soccer mom and family guys don't like it because it doesn't have the functionality or spaciousness of the minivan. That's a direct road to poor sales right there.

[Shakey]

Maybe if you've had 11 Chargers since 1982, then you'd be pissed off too.

Why are you pissed off?

[Ghoste]

Well, I still don't care what they call either one.  All I know is that one is uglier than the other and about the time it's rumored for the 2 door to come out, we'll be looking for a new vehicle.  As long as Creed doesn't alter the current "spy shots" and concept drawings (DCX or otherwise) from what I've seen so far, I can see me buying one.

[Big Lebowski]

Maybe if you've had 11 Chargers since 1982, then you'd be pissed off too.

Why are you pissed off?

  Well, put it this way, all of the longtime Challenger owners will be able to explain it to ya if/when the new Challenger turns out to be a 4 cyl. Mini-van.

  Have you seen the new Mustang commercial? It has car magazine quotes like..."Best Mustang ever!"..."Best Muscle car!" My point is...Seen any Charger commercials with magazine quotes like that? Nooooooooooooooooooo, but the Charger commercial does have the dorky kid saying..."Nice car Mister" That's great.

    Now remember, these two things happened at the exact same time...How can Mr. "Anti-Retro" Trevor Creed be building the coolest "RETRO" Challenger of all time, while at the exact same time, making public "anti-retro" statements in response to the Charger controversy like..."The new Charger won't be warmed over sheet metal from the past" or "They think their Chargers are the real things" or "If you want a '69 charger, then go buy one. There's a market for them".
                                   Don't even try and tell me Mr. Creed is actually "Pro Retro" now.


  The '06 Charger SHOULD have been the "Retro" answer to the Mustang. Next you're going to tell me the brilliant Trevor Creed was way ahead of us in building the "retro" Challenger to answer to the 175,000 Mustangs sold this year. The only problem is he's really, really late for the party, because he's an idiot.

          

[TheGhost]

That's a direct road to poor sales right there.

But, oddly enough, they are selling well.....  Hmmmmm......

[Charger Aficionado]

But, oddly enough, they are selling well..... Hmmmmm......

So are Mini Vans.  No reason to defend the POS. 

when the new Challenger turns out to be a 4 cyl. Mini-van.

[TheGhost]

But, oddly enough, they are selling well..... Hmmmmm......

So are Mini Vans.  No reason to defend the POS. 

I'd hardly call it a POS when it outperforms everything in it's price range and class.

[Johnny SixPack]

But, oddly enough, they are selling well..... Hmmmmm......

So are Mini Vans.   No reason to defend the POS.  

I'd hardly call it a POS when it outperforms everything in it's price range and class.

Woo-hoo!

It outperforms Mitsu Galants, Chevy Impalas, Nissan Altimas and other various 4-door sedans.

Big f'n deal.

It's still one of them.

I bet a Honda Accord outperforms a Geo Metro, but that still doesn't make it cool.

[Troy]

But, oddly enough, they are selling well..... Hmmmmm......

So are Mini Vans. No reason to defend the POS.

I'd hardly call it a POS when it outperforms everything in it's price range and class.

Class maybe - definitely not price range. Of course, the cars in the same class are the Pontiac Bonneville, Infinity G35, Nissan Maxima, and Toyota Avalon. Yeah, those cars just scream performance. It's interesting to note that the Charger also outweighs all but the Bonneville by close to 500 pounds and gets the worst mileage of the bunch. When talking price range there are plenty of vehicles that will stomp the Charger into the ground on just about every performance metric. If you just wanted to go fast why would you choose a Charger? It's competing with boring family cars so it's not like the performance bar is set really high. Can it compare with the Avalon in quality and resale value? I seriously doubt it. I know you love the thing but be realistic.

Troy

[TheGhost]

But, oddly enough, they are selling well..... Hmmmmm......

So are Mini Vans. No reason to defend the POS.

I'd hardly call it a POS when it outperforms everything in it's price range and class.

Class maybe - definitely not price range. Of course, the cars in the same class are the Pontiac Bonneville, Infinity G35, Nissan Maxima, and Toyota Avalon. Yeah, those cars just scream performance. It's interesting to note that the Charger also outweighs all but the Bonneville by close to 500 pounds and gets the worst mileage of the bunch. When talking price range there are plenty of vehicles that will stomp the Charger into the ground on just about every performance metric. If you just wanted to go fast why would you choose a Charger? It's competing with boring family cars so it's not like the performance bar is set really high. Can it compare with the Avalon in quality and resale value? I seriously doubt it. I know you love the thing but be realistic.

Troy

I said price range AND class.  Together.  There are cars in it's class that do better than it, but, they also cost about 10k more.  Just like there are cars in it's price range that do better than it, but they are in an entirely different class.  Not to mention the fact that it does outperform other vehicles, which are considered by many to be performance vehicles, such as the previous Mustangs (not quite sure on how the newer Stangs perform, so I don't know how it compares to them).  High 12s, STOCK, I might add, is pretty damn good, and there is no denying the engine statistics.  It's not NEARLY as bad a car as most of you all make it out to be.  But, I guess it must be a worthless POS, not worth the price of the scrap of the cars it's capable of outperforming, because it's not retro, and has 4 doors instead of 2.

[Big Lebowski]

I'm sure it's a fine car, but its style doesn't live up to its great name.

[FastbackJon]

But, oddly enough, they are selling well.....  Hmmmmm......

Selling well compared to what? I don't see any sales numbers, not to mention I've only seen a grand total of about four or five of them on the road in the past year in my city of a few hundred thousand people. It surely hasn't been selling 175,000 units per year like that retro styled musclecar that was built and designed by another company.

I think I could go for the retro styled Challenger personally. But I'd rather have a retro styled Charger. One that could actually compare to the coolness of my classics, and not just look like a plain sedan with Charger emblems on it.

[Johnny SixPack]

But, I guess it must be a worthless POS, not worth the price of the scrap of the cars it's capable of outperforming, because it's not retro, and has 4 doors instead of 2.

D@mn, that's the smartest thing I've seen you write, in regards to this discussion, to date.

[TheGhost]

But, oddly enough, they are selling well.....  Hmmmmm......

Selling well compared to what? I don't see any sales numbers, not to mention I've only seen a grand total of about four or five of them on the road in the past year in my city of a few hundred thousand people. It surely hasn't been selling 175,000 units per year like that retro styled musclecar that was built and designed by another company.

I think I could go for the retro styled Challenger personally. But I'd rather have a retro styled Charger. One that could actually compare to the coolness of my classics, and not just look like a plain sedan with Charger emblems on it.

It was never intended to sell 175,000 a year.  Maybe someone else has the number of Chargers sold so far, I didn't save them last time they were posted, don't know where to find them, and am too tired right now to look, but, they are exceeding sales expectations.  In other words, they are NOT a sales dissappiontment.


As for the Mustangs sales, let's see how well they sell 2-3 years from now, when the novelty has worn off.

[Big Lebowski]

But, oddly enough, they are selling well.....   Hmmmmm......

Selling well compared to what? I don't see any sales numbers, not to mention I've only seen a grand total of about four or five of them on the road in the past year in my city of a few hundred thousand people. It surely hasn't been selling 175,000 units per year like that retro styled musclecar that was built and designed by another company.

I think I could go for the retro styled Challenger personally. But I'd rather have a retro styled Charger. One that could actually compare to the coolness of my classics, and not just look like a plain sedan with Charger emblems on it.

   The Intrepid replacement is still not outselling its own replacement, the Intrepid. 6-7k a month

[FastbackJon]

What I've read is that the Chrysler 300 is the good seller, and that the Magnum wagon and Magnum sedan are not doing so well. And that the Magnum sedans that are leaving the lot are leaving without much profit. Barely above cost or with rebates, etc, and that they are also selling or trying to sell a lot of them as fleet vehicles. Another article noted that "Chrysler group executives would not provide a Charger sales goal."

[Troy]

But, oddly enough, they are selling well..... Hmmmmm......

So are Mini Vans. No reason to defend the POS.

I'd hardly call it a POS when it outperforms everything in it's price range and class.

Class maybe - definitely not price range. Of course, the cars in the same class are the Pontiac Bonneville, Infinity G35, Nissan Maxima, and Toyota Avalon. Yeah, those cars just scream performance. It's interesting to note that the Charger also outweighs all but the Bonneville by close to 500 pounds and gets the worst mileage of the bunch. When talking price range there are plenty of vehicles that will stomp the Charger into the ground on just about every performance metric. If you just wanted to go fast why would you choose a Charger? It's competing with boring family cars so it's not like the performance bar is set really high. Can it compare with the Avalon in quality and resale value? I seriously doubt it. I know you love the thing but be realistic.

Troy

I said price range AND class.  Together.  There are cars in it's class that do better than it, but, they also cost about 10k more.  Just like there are cars in it's price range that do better than it, but they are in an entirely different class.  Not to mention the fact that it does outperform other vehicles, which are considered by many to be performance vehicles, such as the previous Mustangs (not quite sure on how the newer Stangs perform, so I don't know how it compares to them).  High 12s, STOCK, I might add, is pretty damn good, and there is no denying the engine statistics.  It's not NEARLY as bad a car as most of you all make it out to be.  But, I guess it must be a worthless POS, not worth the price of the scrap of the cars it's capable of outperforming, because it's not retro, and has 4 doors instead of 2.

Generally, but not always, cars are grouped by class. The number of classes vary depending on where you get your data (for example: "Consumer Guide ® Automotive places each vehicle into one of 17 classes based on size, price, and market position."). The cars I listed are in the same class (and price range which makes up the class designation). I at least did some research. Let me mention this again... the target audience (and class) for the Charger is not the performance crowd so most of them are not all that interested purely in the performance. Some of us buy cars based on looks/style so if I were looking for a 4 door, 5 passenger performance sedan in the $40k price range I wouldn't touch it. In a later post you again compared the Charger to a Mustang yet you continually tell us that it is not a valid comparison. Make up your mind. I'm sorry, where did you see a STOCK Charger running high 12s (even Dodge only claims a 13 second "range" for the SRT8)? If you're going to compare a limited production SRT8 with anything then you better pick the correct comparison (ie Mustang Shelby GT500 which blow it off the track for the same price).

My point is (was) that throwing out performance numbers is a rediculous waste of time when trying to convince people of the greatness of the new Charger. If I want a fast car (purely for performance) I'd look at something else. If I want a car that looks good I'd look at something else. If I just had to have a Dodge to haul around the family and I wanted all the bells and whistles I'd get a Magnum (I'm not throwing my skis or mountain bike in a Charger either). If I wanted the best value and highest resale I'd look at something else as well. That's just me though and I'm sure that out of the entire world's population someone has different criteria for buying a new car.

Just FYI: my roommate's parents just bought a Charger R/T. They wanted a 300 but there weren't any on the lot and the Charger was a dealer demo with a huge discount (only 1,900 miles I think). I was told that if they had to do it all over again they'd have gotten the V-6 instead of the Hemi even with the deal they got. It's certainly a nice car (leather, DVD, heated seats, etc.) but I just don't get all jittery when I see it and I have better things to spend money on.

Troy

[TheGhost]

Another article noted that "Chrysler group executives would not provide a Charger sales goal."

Um..... they already did provide the sales goal.  When the Charger first came out.  Several months ago.....  Nice to see these people doing their research.

[Troy]

Another article noted that "Chrysler group executives would not provide a Charger sales goal."

Um..... they already did provide the sales goal. When the Charger first came out. Several months ago..... Nice to see these people doing their research.

So where is it and what is it. Enlighten us Master Researcher. Jon directly quoted an article that took me all of 5 seconds to find (AutoWeek www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102447).

Troy

[greenpigs]

Another article noted that "Chrysler group executives would not provide a Charger sales goal."

Um..... they already did provide the sales goal.   When the Charger first came out.   Several months ago.....   Nice to see these people doing their research.

Who crawled up your butt and died?

Do you have an 06 Charger in your driveway Ghost because other than that why would you defend the car?  Doing the research is not important to me but babbling about some crap box and how it is not well a crap box is retarded. My apologies to the other retarded people out in cyber land for lumping him in with you.

[RD]

Another article noted that "Chrysler group executives would not provide a Charger sales goal."

Um..... they already did provide the sales goal. When the Charger first came out. Several months ago..... Nice to see these people doing their research.

So where is it and what is it. Enlighten us Master Researcher. Jon directly quoted an article that took me all of 5 seconds to find (AutoWeek www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102447).

Troy

Troy,
   You are going to get carpal tunnel trying to educate this kid.  Where is hotrod's quote  oh yeah,

Ancient Chinese proverb:
"Better to keep mouth shut and thought a fool
than to open and remove all doubt"

maybe ghost should read that? Just a suggestion.

[TheGhost]

Do you have an 06 Charger in your driveway Ghost

No.  Can't afford it, and if I could, the money would be going towards the resto of my Barracuda.

because other than that why would you defend the car?

Because, it's a V-8 powered, RWD car, made by DODGE, that is more than capable of roasting the tires off the rims.  Making it the first car of it's kind in 30 years.


As for the sales goals, give me a bit, and I'll see if I can find the info.  I HAVE seen it posted several times, both here and over at Moparts, however.

[Troy]

RD: Certain things grate on my nerves - like invalid/unproven "facts", blanket statements, racial slurs/anything remotely prejudicial, rudeness, the complete inability/refusal to search, responding without reading and fully comprehending, and attempts at communication by seemingly illiterate people. That's just my list for today. Most of the time I have better things to do but every once in a while I'm bored and have a little free time.

Troy

[TheGhost]

The # was 60k per year.  Apparently, it was an unnoficial number, neither confirmed nor denied by DCX.  A little fact that was failed to be mentioned in the posts....

[Brock Samson]

 i posted this on the other post too,..

  


  Chrysler. We mentioned at the end of last summer that Chrysler, despite the continued positive spin it receives from the automotive media, was sailing toward troubled waters in the fall. The Charger, which we predicted would not be the hit that Chrysler hoped, is proving to be a disappointment. Part of that is the result of Chrysler's relentless drum-beating for the car, which revolved around the assumption (on their part) that it would be a hit of 300/300C proportions. It isn't. Chrysler will trot out all kinds of data to insist that the car is doing pretty well, but based on its promised hype it hasn't delivered. The other problem is that Chrysler is in "wait for the new stuff" mode. Its new Jeep entries and its smaller crossover won't be here until next year, and in the interim the Jeep Commander and the company's reliance on big trucks are hurting them. Chrysler Group slow sellers include the Pacifica, the Dodge Ram and Dakota trucks, the Jeep Wrangler and the Jeep Liberty. And because of sluggish sales, there's now a "little" inventory problem too - a 92-day supply to be specific. "Little" from Chrysler's perspective, but for dealers who want no part of Chrysler's solution for it - it's a very big deal. Chrysler Group is offering dealers up to $750 for every extra vehicle they order up to a certain limit. The deals are designed to make Chrysler look good for the end of the year numbers, but for dealers who are in full "ASS" mode (Aren't Selling Shit) with November sales in the single digits - the incentives hold little or no interest. None of this stuff is new to Chrysler dealers, however. Chrysler has had a long history of stock piling inventory and then frantically trying to boost the numbers at the end of the year, no matter at what cost. Drive around a few locations in southeast Michigan here, and you can see where the Chrysler Group parks its inventory - and it's not pretty. We keep hearing about the "new" Chrysler and the "hot" Chrysler and the Chrysler that's supposed to have it all over Ford and GM - its downtrodden Detroit competitors - but this sounds a lot like the same 'ol Chrysler to us. And that's no surprise either.


  from "autoextreamist.com"

BTW: the latest issue of Road & Track magazine tests a 05 sedan against a '69 383,.. a dark blue car we've seen online for a few years now...
they seem to like the 05 fine but they don't seem to like the '69 very much..
but R&T has never seemed to like R/Ts or Chryslers very much..   I've   read every issue since january 1966 and they prefer the advertising   dollors and all the press junkets to the Fatherland too much...
Anyone care to disagree with that?..

[Big Lebowski]

Well lets be real, how can a '69 stand up to the '06 in braking, handling, SRT-8 1/4 mi. times. The car really would be a loser if 35 years later, it got smoked by its older brother.

[Troy]

The # was 60k per year. Apparently, it was an unnoficial number, neither confirmed nor denied by DCX. A little fact that was failed to be mentioned in the posts....

That's a "fact" What exactly are they teaching you kids these days? 

What about this?:
Industry forecaster Global Insight predicts annual sales at 70,000 for the Charger, which would make it a hit but not a home run. The Accord sold more than that in the first three months of this year.
http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0504/18/A01-153838.htm

So that's what an outside analyst is predicting. However, the opening of that small article says:
The Auburn Hills unit of DaimlerChrysler AG says it has taken 20,000 orders and identified 85,000 potential buyers for the 2006 Dodge Charger sedan, which goes into production this week.
I realize that this is "neither confirmed nor denied by DCX" - it is, in fact, a statement by DCX.

To check the progress, I spent almost 10 seconds to find this on DCX's own site (November 1, 2005):
Sales of the Dodge Charger were up 1 percent month-over-month, posting sales of 7,119 units. Total units sales for the Dodge Charger since its introduction in May 2005 has exceeded 30,000 units.
http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom/0,,0-5-7145-1-557467-1-0-0-0-0-0-243-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0,00.html
That projects to 60-72,000 annually depending on how you do the math (5 or 6 months - do you count the entire month of May or not?). It's difficult to use those numbers for the model year since they'd be tacking on a few extra months by releasing it in May.

FYI: That's what some people may call research but the "facts" still seem a little sketchy if you ask me.

Troy

[Big Lebowski]

Ya, on the planet '06 Chargerland, a year is 18 months long, that's how many months get included in a "years worth of sales numbers"

[FastbackJon]

To back up Troy's posts, another article I read stated that they had sold over 37,000 of them in the 7 months from May through November 2005, and that they have built approximately 69,000 of them.

I think that is pretty sad when you understand that the car is on the level with the '60's four door coronet. To compare, Dodge sold about 119,000 four door Coronets in 1966, fourty years ago. Not to mention the other 131,000 non-four door Coronets sold in the same year, plus another 37,000 more upscale two door Dodge Chargers.

That's almost 290,000 B-body sized vehicles sold by Dodge in 1966.

I'm not sure what Magnum sales are at, but I bet if you add Magnum sales and Magnum sedan sales (both a similar size to the '66 B-Body), they haven't come close to selling 290,000 units for the 2006 model year.

[Ghoste]

Troy, I'd say you would have to count the entire month of May since the article you quote is dated April 18 and production was stated as beginning that week.  Not to mention they began taking orders in March after showing the car in January.

[Troy]

I just didn't want to mislead anyone since I didn't know the "facts".

Troy

[TheGhost]

The # was 60k per year. Apparently, it was an unnoficial number, neither confirmed nor denied by DCX. A little fact that was failed to be mentioned in the posts....

That's a "fact" What exactly are they teaching you kids these days? 

You misunderstood.  I was commenting on how in all the posts I've seen which mentioned the 60k target, NOBODY said it wasn't an official DCX number, and actually treated it like it was official, which misled me.  I'm now slightly dissillusioned.

[Troy]

The # was 60k per year. Apparently, it was an unnoficial number, neither confirmed nor denied by DCX. A little fact that was failed to be mentioned in the posts....

That's a "fact" What exactly are they teaching you kids these days?

You misunderstood. I was commenting on how in all the posts I've seen which mentioned the 60k target, NOBODY said it wasn't an official DCX number, and actually treated it like it was official, which misled me. I'm now slightly dissillusioned.

Ah, don't be disillusioned. I have no problem with someone liking the car or even bragging about it if it fits their taste in vehicles. Just try to stick with information that can be verified before ripping on someone else (I honestly don't recall seeing that number before but I might not have been paying attention either). What I do have a problem with is someone telling me I should like it based on criteria that means nothing to me or that I'm not a real Mopar fan if I don't like it. People are different and they have different tastes. I don't think I could ever fall in love with the styling of the new Charger and probably wouldn't buy one even if they made it faster AND dropped the price. I would, however, buy something slower and/or more expensive if I fell in love with the styling. That's just me. I really don't care if someone likes exactly what I do (I'd prefer that they didn't).

Troy

[andy74]

fact-we have 18 chargers on the lot,and 9 magnums-they have to be jump started every time we move them,because no one looks at them often enough to charge the batteries.
fact-dcx has a sales telecast every month,there has NEVER been an accurate sales for cast for the charger,just a guess that has changed every month since may.
fact-the chrysler 300 has completely crushed the magnum and charger in sales,some months by 7or8 to 1 ratio.

ghost,you can like it if you want,im here on the front lines and im telling you,the fu##ers dont sell,any where in the northeast

[derailed]

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ghost,you can like it if you want,im here on the front lines and im telling you,the fu##ers dont sell,any where in the northeast

We have a dealer here just north of Albany that I think has had one in there lot since last summer. Its one of the burnt orange looking ones and it sits off on the side of the lot in the grass. It now has the out to pasture look goin on.

[Orange_Crush]

Just passing through:


Doing OK: Dodge's Charger showing positive signs, but not selling like 300
MARY CONNELLY | Automotive News
Posted Date: 12/12/05
DETROIT -- Since its launch in May, the 2006 Dodge Charger has attracted a younger buyer to Dodge and is selling for a higher price than other premium mid-sized vehicles.

But more Chargers are sold with rebates than is typical in the premium mid-sized car segment. And it's taking dealers longer to sell the Charger than its platform-mate, the Chrysler 300, according to data from the Power Information Network.

Power data show that in its seventh month on sale, the Charger averaged 36 days on dealership lots before selling. The 300 averaged 16 days in its seventh month in the market.

"It is doing respectably," says Tom Libby, senior director of industry analysis at the Power Information Network. "But it requires more time to determine how it will do long-term."

The car held 3.7 percent of the premium mid-sized car segment, Libby says. Vehicles in the segment include the Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Chevrolet Impala and Nissan Altima.

Through November, Dodge sold 37,667 Chargers. November sales were 6,827 units. Chrysler has produced 69,328 Chargers this year.

By comparison, Chrysler built 68,616 units of the 300 in its first seven months, from January through July of 2004. After the 300 went on sale in April 2004, Chrysler reported 82,721 sales during the next seven months, although that included some sales of the predecessor vehicle, the 300M.

Power data show:

>> In November, 88 percent of Charger sales included a customer cash rebate, compared with 52 percent for the segment. But the Charger rebate averaged $1,104 a unit in November - below the segment average of $1,487.

>> In November, the Charger's average transaction price, less customer cash rebate, averaged $29,366. That compares with a segment average of $23,550.

>> The Charger is capturing a younger buyer than the segment average. In November, Charger buyers averaged 40 years of age, compared with 44 years for the segment.



Its amazing how the tone of news about Chrysler changes once DeLorenzo puts his negative spin on it.
Of course its not selling as well as the 300...the 300 was a success beyond Chrysler's (or anyone's) wildest imaginations.

[Ghoste]

But the Charger isn't a disappointment beyond their imaginations, right?

[Big Lebowski]

But the Charger isn't a disappointment beyond their imaginations, right?

  No it's a disappointment. You were right the first time.

[ChargerBill]

Chrysler. We mentioned at the end of last summer that Chrysler, despite the continued positive spin it receives from the automotive media, was sailing toward troubled waters in the fall. The Charger, which we predicted would not be the hit that Chrysler hoped, is proving to be a disappointment. Part of that is the result of Chrysler's relentless drum-beating for the car, which revolved around the assumption (on their part) that it would be a hit of 300/300C proportions. It isn't. Chrysler will trot out all kinds of data to insist that the car is doing pretty well, but based on its promised hype it hasn't delivered. The other problem is that Chrysler is in "wait for the new stuff" mode. Its new Jeep entries and its smaller crossover won't be here until next year, and in the interim the Jeep Commander and the company's reliance on big trucks are hurting them. Chrysler Group slow sellers include the Pacifica, the Dodge Ram and Dakota trucks, the Jeep Wrangler and the Jeep Liberty. And because of sluggish sales, there's now a "little" inventory problem too - a 92-day supply to be specific. "Little" from Chrysler's perspective, but for dealers who want no part of Chrysler's solution for it - it's a very big deal. Chrysler Group is offering dealers up to $750 for every extra vehicle they order up to a certain limit. The deals are designed to make Chrysler look good for the end of the year numbers, but for dealers who are in full "ASS" mode (Aren't Selling Shit) with November sales in the single digits - the incentives hold little or no interest. None of this stuff is new to Chrysler dealers, however. Chrysler has had a long history of stock piling inventory and then frantically trying to boost the numbers at the end of the year, no matter at what cost. Drive around a few locations in southeast Michigan here, and you can see where the Chrysler Group parks its inventory - and it's not pretty. We keep hearing about the "new" Chrysler and the "hot" Chrysler and the Chrysler that's supposed to have it all over Ford and GM - its downtrodden Detroit competitors - but this sounds a lot like the same 'ol Chrysler to us. And that's no surprise either.

SEE THE BOLD TEXT ABOVE? THAT is exactly what I was saying 2 months ago when we had the debate over how GREAT the Magnum Creeder Sedan was selling. They are ARTIFICIALLY boosting sales figures by counting the cars ORDERED by the dealer that have yet to be sold to consumer public. A bunch of flat out BS... Creed screwed this one up big time, insulted us DIRECTLY, DCX is lying about sales and the Creeder isn't nearly the great car they want us to believe it is. Like I said before, our cars are orphans because the Chrysler we once knew and loved is dead.

[Big Lebowski]

  And they know it, so here comes the very cool "retro" Challenger

[The Ghoul]

I am a big Barracuda fan and i have to say I dont care what is said about this I love it! I hate the carger I think its a big turd. but this looks great. If they keep these looks (fearing the 99 charger concept swap) I will be on the horrabily opressive wating list! the only way they can screw this concept is if it is not offered in manuel or if its less than a V8

[TheGhost]

The # was 60k per year. Apparently, it was an unnoficial number, neither confirmed nor denied by DCX. A little fact that was failed to be mentioned in the posts....

That's a "fact" What exactly are they teaching you kids these days?

You misunderstood. I was commenting on how in all the posts I've seen which mentioned the 60k target, NOBODY said it wasn't an official DCX number, and actually treated it like it was official, which misled me. I'm now slightly dissillusioned.

Ah, don't be disillusioned. I have no problem with someone liking the car or even bragging about it if it fits their taste in vehicles. Just try to stick with information that can be verified before ripping on someone else (I honestly don't recall seeing that number before but I might not have been paying attention either). What I do have a problem with is someone telling me I should like it based on criteria that means nothing to me or that I'm not a real Mopar fan if I don't like it. People are different and they have different tastes. I don't think I could ever fall in love with the styling of the new Charger and probably wouldn't buy one even if they made it faster AND dropped the price. I would, however, buy something slower and/or more expensive if I fell in love with the styling. That's just me. I really don't care if someone likes exactly what I do (I'd prefer that they didn't).

Troy

I understand that, and, you've actually posted pretty rational reasons for not wanting/liking the new Charger.  It's the people who post like it's the worst car ever made that I don't understand.  I can name LOTS of worse cars than this, such as the Pinto.  The K car.  The Edsel.  The Crown Vic.  The Mustang II.  The little 80s Nova/LeMans crapboxes.  The list goes on and on.  It may not be the retro 2 door car everyone here wanted, but, you have to admit it's a step in the right direction, at least.

[Wilde Racing]

Maybe in the right direction, just should have not used the Charger name IMO....

[Shakey]

THAT is exactly what I was saying 2 months ago when we had the debate over how GREAT the Magnum Creeder Sedan was selling.

You might have to be more specific Bill as these debates are held weekly here!   

[Ghoste]

At least we've kept it relatively civil. (relatively, being the key word in some cases )

[KMPX2]

I have seen the new Cuda & it is a bigger joke than the new Charger. The Challenger is the only one they have gotten right but that is still just a concept , that may or may not get made.

[BigBlackDodge]

I have seen the new Cuda & it is a bigger joke than the new Charger. The Challenger is the only one they have gotten right but that is still just a concept , that may or may not get made.

Well........................what does it look like then?


BBD

[The Ghoul]

I have seen the new Cuda & it is a bigger joke than the new Charger. The Challenger is the only one they have gotten right but that is still just a concept , that may or may not get made.

that makes me sad in pants

[TheGhost]

I have seen the new Cuda & it is a bigger joke than the new Charger. The Challenger is the only one they have gotten right but that is still just a concept , that may or may not get made.

Does this mean they ARE gonna make a DODGE Cuda?   Resurrecting a name from the current companys past is one thing, but, bringing back a nameplate from an automaker that no longer exists is just blech.

[Ghoste]

Why?  The people who love the new sedan are always saying that the rights to the name belong to DCX and they can do whatever they want with it.  The Plymouth names are just as much their right and the old Dodge is just as gone as Plymouth.

[KMPX2]

The Dodge Stratus is gone. It is being replaced with the return of the Avenger. The Cuda will be nothing more that a trim package can be had on the Avenger.

[Ghoste]

So in the end it just becomes the car that Cuda been the one?


Yeah, I know, bad pun.