Ever regret working on a friends car?

[1969chargerrtse]

Oh boy, battle of the minds. My friends, "electronics" have nothing to do with it. It's all about if an engine can turn over backwards if rolled forward down a incline in reverse? And the answer is yes. If I have to I will take a video or snap shots of fan movement and roll that sucker down the same driveway to prove it is possible, and in my case, happened. The only roll electronics play is a shot of start up fuel. The small reverse movement ( which I claim and will prove if I have to ) is what gave a spark that popped and popped. On the second roll, boom!!! And I have proof that it exploded out of the upper intake area by burnt residue along side one of the vacuum lines. I have a close friend that told me his Subaru used to roll down his driveway in reverse. I am a 100% sure it is physically possible. Someone post a video please!!!!!!! Also keep in mind when I realized what stupid thing I did, I pulled it out of reverse and it fired right up. Didn't run well anymore but it did run.

Here's one little comment I found on Google

" They say leaving it in first makes it hardest for it to roll away cause it's the lowest gear, but it seems to me it'd be best to leave in in reverse. Reverse is lower than first, and if it wanted to roll away it'd have to get your engine turning backwards. "

[TUFCAT]

Oh boy, battle of the minds. My friends, "electronics" have nothing to do with it. It's all about if an engine can turn over backwards if rolled forward down a incline in reverse?  And the answer is yes. If I have to I will take a video or snap shots of fan movement and roll that sucker down the same driveway to prove it is possible, and in my case happened. The only roll electronics play is a shot of start up fuel. The small reverse movement ( which I claim and will prove if I have to ) is what gave a spark that popped and popped. On the second roll, boom!!!  And I have proof that it exploded out of the upper intake area by burnt residew along side one of the vacumn lines. I have a close friend that told me his Subaru used to roll down his driveway in reverse. I am a 100% sure it is phsyically possibe. Someone post a video please!!!!!!!  Also keep in mind when I realized what stupid thing I did, I pulled it out of reverse and it fired right up. Didn't run well anymore but it did run.

Rob, I was just going to send you an embarrasing PM to tell you that I WAS WRONG.....but I then read this post.

YOU ARE RIGHT!!

I talked to my Dad about it this evening....and he set me straight.  

I feel like a dumbass.

hmmm....now where's that "stupid post delete" button?? 

[1969chargerrtse]

I love you man!! You're one cool dude. I was just gonna post another thing I found.

"I drive stick almost exclusively and am little bit paranoid. Parking brakes can fail, so leaving it in gear is always a good idea. Most folks agree that when leaving a car in gear, the idea is to choose a forward or reverse gear based on whether the car would roll forward or back should the hand brake fail. So if the car would roll forward, use a forward gear. If it would roll backwards, choose reverse.

The reason is that should there be a little tension or movement on the engine via the driveline, the timing belt or timing chain may not tension correctly if the engine is forced to turn backwards compared to the usual direction it spins. It could skip a tooth/cog/link, which could result in a mis-timed engine, or even valves touching pistons in the higher rev range."


This was a fun thing to hammer around. When it's all over I'll let you know what it cost me. That will be un challenged. Ha ha.

[1969chargerrtse]

Ps. I miss that delete button.

[chargergirl]

Oh boy, battle of the minds. My friends, "electronics" have nothing to do with it. It's all about if an engine can turn over backwards if rolled forward down a incline in reverse?  And the answer is yes. If I have to I will take a video or snap shots of fan movement and roll that sucker down the same driveway to prove it is possible, and in my case happened. The only roll electronics play is a shot of start up fuel. The small reverse movement ( which I claim and will prove if I have to ) is what gave a spark that popped and popped. On the second roll, boom!!!  And I have proof that it exploded out of the upper intake area by burnt residew along side one of the vacumn lines. I have a close friend that told me his Subaru used to roll down his driveway in reverse. I am a 100% sure it is phsyically possibe. Someone post a video please!!!!!!!  Also keep in mind when I realized what stupid thing I did, I pulled it out of reverse and it fired right up. Didn't run well anymore but it did run.

I got corrected on that one...it happened to one of our engines. Was going to repost that same night but didn't get back to the computer. Doesn't seem right but I've just learned that it can happen...and it's bad.
Rob, I was just going to send you an embarrasing PM to tell you that I WAS WRONG.....but I then read this post.

YOU ARE RIGHT!!

I talked to my Dad about it this evening....and he set me straight.  

I feel like a dumbass.

hmmm....now where's that "stupid post delete" button?? 

[A383Wing]

Ps. I miss that delete button.

I miss my mind the most...I know it will never return 

[1969chargerrtse]

I'm 54.  I lost my mind about............. never mind.

[Belgium R/T -68]

Kudos to you Rob for your attitude towards your friend. Personally I agree with someone earlier, I help my friends
gladly as much as I can but never take any "jobs on my own", they have to help and no money involved.

Per

[1969chargerrtse]

Well the shop put in the starter and are not really sure what's wrong with it? We were thinking one or both of the cams are off but after looking up how to remove a timing chain one of the first things to do is unplug the CAM MONTORING SENSOR!  so if there is a CMS wouldn't that tell me just that? That the cam is off a tooth?  So after thinking about the vacuum issue also as there is no vacuum to the power booster, I think I'm gonna look into this deeper before I touch a wrench.  I have to replace the map sensor first and see how it runs, then look and beg around this site for help. The paper work he showed me to help in repairs said it was a 1999 4.6 dual cam Ford V8. Ideas?

[b5blue]

Check the vac. booster "check valve" first.  Plug it and see if it runs better.

[1969chargerrtse]

Check the vac. booster "check valve" first.   Plug it and see if it runs better.

I did, there's nothing wrong with it. It works as a check valve and works fine. The vacuum line comes straight from the manifold area and has no vacuum?

[1969chargerrtse]

I don't blame you for not doing any work. Just in the last couple years This happened.... I did some work on a friends car and when I got it done i parked it out front and they said it was too late and would be over tomorrow. Well that night it all the windows got knocked out of it and all they had was liability. I said since I left it out front I would eat the 500 bucks from all the work I did. They came back a few days later and paid me because they felt bad about it. Since then I never have heard from them. Shortly after that a similar situation, a friend was coming by to get their car then changed their mind and I forgot I parked in behind my wife's van and I backed into it and caused 2000 in damage. I was doing some brakes and I told my friend to get in and pump up the brakes. He said they feel good so I topped off the reservoir and shut the hood. He says go ahead and back it out since it was a tight spot. I backed up and hit the brakes and they went to the floor. I knocked out a taillight when i ran into an old car that was behind it. I ended up buying and installing another one 

Missed this.  Wow, you had some bad luck.  I backed into my neices acr and put out 2,000.00

[The70RT]

I don't blame you for not doing any work. Just in the last couple years This happened.... I did some work on a friends car and when I got it done i parked it out front and they said it was too late and would be over tomorrow. Well that night it all the windows got knocked out of it and all they had was liability. I said since I left it out front I would eat the 500 bucks from all the work I did. They came back a few days later and paid me because they felt bad about it. Since then I never have heard from them. Shortly after that a similar situation, a friend was coming by to get their car then changed their mind and I forgot I parked in behind my wife's van and I backed into it and caused 2000 in damage. I was doing some brakes and I told my friend to get in and pump up the brakes. He said they feel good so I topped off the reservoir and shut the hood. He says go ahead and back it out since it was a tight spot. I backed up and hit the brakes and they went to the floor. I knocked out a taillight when i ran into an old car that was behind it. I ended up buying and installing another one 

Missed this.  Wow, you had some bad luck.  I backed into my neices acr and put out 2,000.00

Yeah I guess it happens to all of us in a certain degree. Did you do a compression test?

[1969chargerrtse]

I don't blame you for not doing any work. Just in the last couple years This happened.... I did some work on a friends car and when I got it done i parked it out front and they said it was too late and would be over tomorrow. Well that night it all the windows got knocked out of it and all they had was liability. I said since I left it out front I would eat the 500 bucks from all the work I did. They came back a few days later and paid me because they felt bad about it. Since then I never have heard from them. Shortly after that a similar situation, a friend was coming by to get their car then changed their mind and I forgot I parked in behind my wife's van and I backed into it and caused 2000 in damage. I was doing some brakes and I told my friend to get in and pump up the brakes. He said they feel good so I topped off the reservoir and shut the hood. He says go ahead and back it out since it was a tight spot. I backed up and hit the brakes and they went to the floor. I knocked out a taillight when i ran into an old car that was behind it. I ended up buying and installing another one 

Missed this.  Wow, you had some bad luck.  I backed into my neices acr and put out 2,000.00

Yeah I guess it happens to all of us in a certain degree. Did you do a compression test?

Not yet.  I'm not sure how things would work if a cam slipped a tooth.  It runs smooth even though it pops out of the intake now and then.  I'm gonna start by doing the map sensor, then listen and study and think real hard before I do anything.  I do not want to pull off or replace one thing until I am sure whats going on.

[1969chargerrtse]

Here's what's going on. It runs high and low at an idle like it has a vacuum leak. It pops now and then like it is to lean and sucking air. There is no vacuum pulling from the 3/8 line that feeds the power booster, yet it goes straight to the intake manifold area. Weird. I'll get it, but weird.

[b5blue]

My next door neighbor's sister has a Windstar van that the V6's plastic intake was repaired with RTV by her mechanic. Check this sight out, nice bunch of Blue Oval folks....   www.ford-forums.com   

[elacruze]

You didn't say what motor is in it, but check this-

http://franzh.home.texas.net/fordbackfire/index.html

[1969chargerrtse]

You didn't say what motor is in it, but check this-

http://franzh.home.texas.net/fordbackfire/index.html

Ford 1999 4.6 dual cam v8
wow. Great link!  Thanks.

[Mopar440+6]

If you still think it has a vacuum leak there's a relatively easy test that works most of the time. Get a can of 2+2 carb cleaner (do not skimp here because the Wal-Mart brand stuff won't burn well enough to make this work). Start the truck and let it idle. While the truck is idling, fog small mists of carb cleaner around the vacuum hoses and intake. If the engine revs up when you spray in a particular spot then you found where your vacuum leak is...

[1969chargerrtse]

If you still think it has a vacuum leak there's a relatively easy test that works most of the time. Get a can of 2+2 carb cleaner (do not skimp here because the Wal-Mart brand stuff won't burn well enough to make this work). Start the truck and let it idle. While the truck is idling, fog small mists of carb cleaner around the vacuum hoses and intake. If the engine revs up when you spray in a particular spot then you found where your vacuum leak is...

Thanks, I should have it back at my house Tues and then I'll start looking at it.

[Chevysrule]

I have had plenty of headaches with friends cars but my best ever was not the time I was working on a friends car but A time I was working on a 70 Cuda I owned that had a brake issue ,,,, Long story short I got so Irrate with (I found out later a Bent left caliper mount) while trying to get the caliper to  line up with the bolt holes that I threw the damn thing across my driveway in a fit of rage ... Yea it went straight through the windsheild of my friends Turbo Regal....... OOPS!!! 

[chargergirl]

Not to top that...cause that was great...a friend wanted shifter tunnel out of a 71 Charger 4 speed. He bought a brand new Harbor Freight air chisel to cut the hump out. No doors on donor car, when the chisel broke the body of the air hammer and chisel went through the door like tissue paper. Upside...his tool, his car...everyone just stood still for about ten minutes...never said a word. Then after we donated a door...there was beer.

[Chevysrule]

LOL Chargergirl !! Ok I have another..... So I was using the lift in my good friends Bodyshop one day to fix a customer of mines s10 pickup.... well My friend has this beautifull black 97 powerstroke Ford pickup next to me in the bay over that he just painted the hood on because he bent it while on vacation the week before...   he just finishes polishing that truck throws the rag on the hood and says that looks great , as I begin to lower the lift with the S10......... well he had the extension cord of the droplight wired directly to the 8ft overhead light and he has the droplight hanging from the mirror of his black diesel...of course he had ran the cord from the  droplight around the leg of the lift and neither one of us had realised this until seconds later of him throwing the polishing rag at the hood the whole 8ft light comes crashing down onto the hood and through the windsheild of his pretty truck with such force that it broke the dasboard...... we both stood there silent for a minute and he said lets go to the bar "your buying"!!!!!  not another word was spoken of this incident between us for a few weeks ....  But I still laugh about it from time to time.....  BTW Rob you know this friend of mine very well......

[chargergirl]

Oh hell yeah your buying! That was great! BTW how did you get one this site with cheby's drool? The last S10 I had I gave to my son when I bought my 3/4 ton tow truck.

[Chevysrule]

Oh hell yeah your buying! That was great! BTW how did you get one this site with cheby's drool? The last S10 I had I gave to my son when I bought my 3/4 ton tow truck.

Ha Ha I have learned that its easier to pick Chebby lingo on a Mopar site than anything as you are usually guaranteed to get your screename first time you try....