Anyone see/have 69 RT w/ 727 and A33 Track Pack? Books say it is not possible...

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Is it possible  that this fender tag may have been repopped through someone other than Galen??   

Absolutely. I will not name the vendor (it is no secret, but I don't want to help the scammers). Galen does not make reproduction tags. He farms this business out to another company. That company will deal direct and if you provide them with a rubbing from your old rusty tag, or a broadcast sheet, they will make a reproduction tag. However, if you lack those items, they will make a tag to your request. If there are errors, then the final tag will have errors. They offer no guidance for tags designed with no broadcast sheet or remnants of original tag.

That's crap! Why would anyone make fraudulent cars? Aside from the obvious money thing.... Thanks again to those who pointed out the errors on this car. 

[Brock Lee]

That's crap! Why would anyone make fraudulent cars? Aside from the obvious money thing....

Money is the ONLY reason you need! But if you would like another, there are guys that like to make their cars appear more "special", so they add options. Then they have a tag made to reflect those options as the people that will be impressed by such items know how to read a tag. It "confirms" the options when they see them listed in the tag.

[mauve66]

wonder what the the reserve is??  if it comes out as a rt/se then still a decent looking car, he may have bought it that way and has no idea its wrong, seller rating is down but still has alot of good transactions sooooo?

maybe still a decent buy just needs a realistic fender tag made for it by the new owner so this doesn't come up again in later years

I have to adamantly disagree with you Robert....a realistic tag SHOULD NOT be made IF there is no Broadcast Sheet to back it up...... 

so you would rather it KEEP THE BOGUS TAG then we will keep having this problem with this car down the road, sure it has problems but that doesn't stop it from being a legitimate charger
that someone should enjoy, just not thinking its a special car

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Yes keep the wrong tag to prove its a fraud.  getting a better tag made without proper documentation is the down fall of this hobby....buyer beware....

[Alaskan_TA]

Fake tags should be destroyed.

I would rather have a car with no fender tag at all than one with a fake.

[TylerCharger69]

As far as "fake" tags are concerned....They really dont bother me if the tag is used for added options that the owner/restorer has installed  and to have the appearance of the options on the tag.....It's when someone tries to pass it off as genuine is what pisses me off.   I'm going to basically make an R/T clone from my GL...with the leaf springs, rear end, 440,  etc...etc....with R/T badging on the grille...tailpanel...and the badging on the rear quarters  (I think they look great)   but it will still be an XP  car and not an XS  car....and i would never try to pass it off as such

[Brock Lee]

My car is so far from its original configuration, the VIN is the only evidence that it is the same car. I have that tag on there with pride (still with its original paint on it) as it shows the only people that read them all the work I did on this car. Larger engine, different exterior and interior colors, and tons of added options.

[Ghoste]

As far as "fake" tags are concerned....They really dont bother me if the tag is used for added options that the owner/restorer has installed  and to have the appearance of the options on the tag.....It's when someone tries to pass it off as genuine is what pisses me off.   

But if you add the options and then create a fake tag to reflect those options, passing it off as genuine is EXACTLY what is being done.  Sure add the options but creating a fake tag is just that, creating a fake.

[Old Moparz]

The Charger in the ebay auction sure is a nice looking car regardless of what it really is, or was. I'd be content owning it with a state issued tag, I bet it'll still fun to drive.

[472 R/T SE]

The Charger in the ebay auction sure is a nice looking car regardless of what it really is, or was. I'd be content owning it with a state issued tag, I bet it'll still fun to drive.

Except that's lost with today's hobby.  Unfortunately it seems centered all around the almighty dollar.

[69CoronetRT]

....It's when someone tries to pass it off as genuine is what pisses me off.   I'm going to basically make an R/T clone from my GL...with the leaf springs, rear end, 440,  etc...etc....with R/T badging on the grille...tailpanel...and the badging on the rear quarters  (I think they look great)   but it will still be an XP  car and not an XS  car....and i would never try to pass it off as such

If you are making a clone decked out as you describe, that's exactluy what you are doing. For all intents and purposes, you want people to see you driving what they percieve to be an R/T due to the way you have changed and added things. You are trying to pass off a car as something it is not. Yes, the VIN will still say XP and that will be important when you go to sell it, but how many casual observers will ever see the VIN and know it's not a real R/T model?

Why is there no pride in having a really cool XP Charger? Why does every Charger have to be badged as an R/T? Every Satellite made into a RR or every Coronet a SB?

[Vainglory, Esq.]

Why is there no pride in having a really cool XP Charger?

There's some pride...if it's actually "really cool."

But how many baby shit-green, 318, column auto, XP Chargers do we need running around to maintain some notion of "purity" in the hobby?  Isn't it so much "cooler" to paint them attractive colors, put in powerful engines, make them perform well?  On some level, the cars are always good to look at, but how many of you would rather restore your rusted-out XP to stock when you could drop in a hemi and paint it yellow?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with clones, except when you try to alter the paperwork, VIN, or fender tag to make it seem like something it's not.

[69bronzeT5]

....It's when someone tries to pass it off as genuine is what pisses me off.   I'm going to basically make an R/T clone from my GL...with the leaf springs, rear end, 440,  etc...etc....with R/T badging on the grille...tailpanel...and the badging on the rear quarters  (I think they look great)   but it will still be an XP  car and not an XS  car....and i would never try to pass it off as such

If you are making a clone decked out as you describe, that's exactluy what you are doing. For all intents and purposes, you want people to see you driving what they percieve to be an R/T due to the way you have changed and added things. You are trying to pass off a car as something it is not. Yes, the VIN will still say XP and that will be important when you go to sell it, but how many casual observers will ever see the VIN and know it's not a real R/T model?

Why is there no pride in having a really cool XP Charger? Why does every Charger have to be badged as an R/T? Every Satellite made into a RR or every Coronet a SB?

Because R/Ts, Roadrunners and Superbees got all the cool stripes and options

[Road Dog]

Thanks - I will say, it is the MOST numbers I have EVER seen on ANY 1969 Charger R/T fender tag  

PS----THIS is the most loaded '69 Charger you'll ever see (so far)

Back in the 80's before I knew better I got some trim off a original 69 Charger RT/SE a guy had in his back yard. Kid you not it had every option I can think of like Rear window defogger, full power, 8 track, Leather, Sun Roof , cruise etc. I went back some years later and it was gone. Car was in decent shape too. Only thing I didn't see was a luggage rack.      

[TylerCharger69]

I agree with the above...because the R/T badging is as cool as hell!!!  Gives the car more "definition".....I would never pass it off as an XS car.....besides  the VIN tag says the story in itself

[69CoronetRT]

I agree with the above...because the R/T badging is as cool as hell!!!  Gives the car more "definition".....I would never pass it off as an XS car.....besides  the VIN tag says the story in itself

What do you want people to think when they see the R/T badging?

[69CoronetRT]

Why is there no pride in having a really cool XP Charger?

 Isn't it so much "cooler" to paint them attractive colors, put in powerful engines, make them perform well?  

Sure it is and that's the way it has always been done. "Back in the day" that was accepted and expected. Yank that 318 for a 383 or 440. Paint a green car to orange and add the side pipes. Slap on the Keystones or Cragers. All of that has always been cool. Adding stripes that should never be on the car to make people own something you don't got you shunned for being a wanna be.

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

The Charger in the ebay auction sure is a nice looking car regardless of what it really is, or was. I'd be content owning it with a state issued tag, I bet it'll still fun to drive.

I bet it would be a blast to drive! 


That stated, they were asking $50,000 for the car, then "marked it down" to $47,500 and reported it "sold" to me for less (I do know the specific # and if it were a real car, it would have been fair).

They were asking STRONG money for the car, as if it didn't have stories. It does, and thanks to this site, they are known!

The WHOLE CAR is suspect, at best, given the info known about the car.  Shameful 

[mauve66]

you you would rather have it out there with a bogus fender tag and people will still try to buy it thinking its something its not instead of putting a more realistic tag on it??  i guess i still don't get that part, i understand not putting a tag on to show it was fully loaded when it wasn't but to put a regular everyday tag on it makes sense to me

if the seller had already put a realistic tag on it no one would ever know the difference because they would automatically think the other items were added later, and no one would question any of this stuff

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

you you would rather have it out there with a bogus fender tag and people will still try to buy it thinking its something its not instead of putting a more realistic tag on it??  i guess i still don't get that part, i understand not putting a tag on to show it was fully loaded when it wasn't but to put a regular everyday tag on it makes sense to me

if the seller had already put a realistic tag on it no one would ever know the difference because they would automatically think the other items were added later, and no one would question any of this stuff

Me? I am glad the car had a bogus tag. That, and the info from this site saved me a ton of coin on a car that is suspect...

My wife told me to buy what I want, but buy it once and buy it right - cool girl 

[mauve66]

but if the tag had been "done right" you would of bought it and still been left with something that wasn't, where if it had a realistic tag it would of sold for a realistic amount
i'm saying put a realistic tag on there with correct items, not what someone wants it to be from looking at the sales order book

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

but if the tag had been "done right" you would of bought it and still been left with something that wasn't, where if it had a realistic tag it would of sold for a realistic amount
i'm saying put a realistic tag on there with correct items, not what someone wants it to be from looking at the sales order book

If the tag were "done right", I would have bought the car with a replacement rear end - and not a bad one, at that.

However, with the bogus tag and clear lack of paperwork to show what the car was (seller was asked, but couldn't produce), who knows what that car really was. Heck, it was probably an F6/F6 car, anyways... 

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Has this car sold - or resurfaced anywhere???


Just curious...

[375instroke]

Does this car look like T7 to you?  Mine is supposed to be, but as you can see in my avatar, it's too yellow.  If this is the real T7, I think I could live with it.

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Does this car look like T7 to you?  Mine is supposed to be, but as you can see in my avatar, it's too yellow.  If this is the real T7, I think I could live with it.

I do not think it was T7. I saw that car in person and it was too bright, too metallic - here is a T7 car which looks close to your color:


Has your car been repainted??