Anyone see/have 69 RT w/ 727 and A33 Track Pack? Books say it is not possible...

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Anyone see/have 69 RT w/ 727 and A33 Track Pack? Books say it is not possible... 


All the "books" say the A33 Track Pack is reserved for 440 and 426 cars with manual 4 spd trans.   

Also, said it was NOT avail on cars with Air Cond.   

What if I saw a 1969 Charger R/T with both AC and a 727 Auto listed on the fender tag - AND has A33 listed? 

What do you know - or what have you seen?

Thanks 

[tan top]

hello & welcome !! 
  not sure   but don't think you can get a 4 speed R/T & A/C  , some of the guys   &  chris  Just6T9 will know  deffo


http://www.1969chargerregistry.com

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

hello & welcome !! 
  not sure   but don't think you can get a 4 speed R/T & A/C  , some of the guys   &  chris  Just6T9 will know  deffo


http://www.1969chargerregistry.com

Right, I don't think 4 spd and A/C go together.

However, what about the 727 auto and A/C which were possible - but WITH the A33 Track Pack? A33 is what throws me off...  It seems to have been built this way - unless....

[472 R/T SE]

I think what tt's trying to say is A33 is strictly for 4 speeds & you say it has AC, 727 & A33.

Sounds like it was heavily modified or it's an A32 car with AC added.

You're definitely gonna hear folks asking for proof.  Like photos of the tag/broadcast sheet.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

You could get a 383 with a 4 speed & A/C but not a 440 or Hemi

The A33 code is standard for 440 or Hemi 4 speed equipped cars

Where on the fendertag is this A33 code listed?

Need to see pics of tag 

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

I think what tt's trying to say is A33 is strictly for 4 speeds & you say it has AC, 727 & A33.

Sounds like it was heavily modified or it's an A32 car with AC added.

You're definitely gonna hear folks asking for proof.  Like photos of the tag/broadcast sheet.

Yeah, I am not sure it could have come this way, but if the fender tag said the car was equipped with D32, E86, A33, and H51, what would one suppose?

Dana 60 rear with auto is what first caused my eyebrow to rise...

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

One would suppose either...

A---fake tag
B---factory error mis-stamp
C---error reading the tag
D---1 of none car!

[375instroke]

What I understand is Track Pack is an available option, but standard with 440 or Hemi 4-speed.  The low gear ratio on the Track Pack made A/C unavailable with it.  I have seen a '69 Roadrunner with a Track Pack.  It had a Dana and the Hemi leafs with a 383.

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

One would suppose either...

A---fake tag
B---factory error mis-stamp
C---error reading the tag
D---1 of none car!

Hmmmm.... WHat are the odds on any of the above??

Car was restored - maybe, like with 1967 427 435 Corvettes, they build them and then build the docs to support?? Plot thickens... 

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

What I understand is Track Pack is an available option, but standard with 440 or Hemi 4-speed.  The low gear ratio on the Track Pack made A/C unavailable with it.  I have seen a '69 Roadrunner with a Track Pack.  It had a Dana and the Hemi leafs with a 383.

A33 = 69 - 71 Track Pack
3.54 axle ratio w. 9.75" Dana 60 axle, sure grip, max cooling, 7 blade fan, and HEMI Suspension.
Avail. w. 426 and 440 engines w. 4-spd. only. N/A w. Air Cond.

So why is it on the fender tag with E86, D32, and H51? 

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

BTW, I don't see what the big deal would be over 3.54 gears  Also avail. in 1969, was the A36 Perf. Axle Pkg. w. 3.55 Axle however, it was with the 8.75" rr and sure grip, max cooling, 7 blade fan, hemi susp. and for 426 and 440 engines WITH Automatics only.

Hmm... 

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Pics please.....

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Pics please.....

A friend is working on the pics.

In the meantime, I take it, nobody has ever seen this combo, as built from the factory?

Just sounds too strange however, with MOPARS, stranger things have been seen 

[LeesRT]

I have a friend that found an original Road Runner with a 383, 727, and Dana rear.  I haven't actually seen a Charger come that way, but you would think if someone ordering a car wanted it that way that Chrysler would have built it.  Would requesting a tow package on your Charger change what rear you would have gotten?

[Ghoste]

You could order a Dana behind an automatic, at issue here is doing so in combination with air conditioning.

[RallyeMike]

I don't see why not? This tag and photo of it from a C500 was posted in the Aero section: C500 (basically an RT). 440/727 with 4.10 Super track pack.
Never say never with Mopars.

Mike



M21  M31  R21 V88 26
C55 G11  G31  G33  J25  L31
AF01  A11  A32  B41  B51 C16
F8F8  C6x X9  B20  925---
E86  D32  XX29 L9B 217---

M21 Roof drip trough moldings-chrome
M31 Belt and hood moldings
R11 AM/FM radio
V88 Black 500 tail stripe
26 26" Radiator support

C55 Bucket Seats
G11 Tinted Glass
G31 RH (Passenger side) Rear View Mirror
G33  LH Remote control mirror
J25  3 Speed wipers
L31  Hood mounted turn signals

AF01 Light Package?
A11Charger 500/Daytona
A32 Super performance Axle package, includes 4:10 Dana
B41 Power front disk brakes
B51 Power brakes
C16 Console Shift

F8F8 Greeeeeen
C6X Black interior, vinyl bucket seats
X9 Black interior, Windshield pillars and upper door frame.
820 Build date

E86 440 375 hp
D32  727 trans

[Ghoste]

Again though, no A/C.

[Troy]

And it's an A32 car - not A33.

Troy

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

I don't see why not? This tag and photo of it from a C500 was posted in the Aero section: C500 (basically an RT). 440/727 with 4.10 Super track pack.
Never say never with Mopars.

Mike



M21  M31  R21 V88 26
C55 G11  G31  G33  J25  L31
AF01  A11  A32  B41  B51 C16
F8F8  C6x X9  B20  925---
E86  D32  XX29 L9B 217---

M21 Roof drip trough moldings-chrome
M31 Belt and hood moldings
R11 AM/FM radio
V88 Black 500 tail stripe
26 26" Radiator support

C55 Bucket Seats
G11 Tinted Glass
G31 RH (Passenger side) Rear View Mirror
G33  LH Remote control mirror
J25  3 Speed wipers
L31  Hood mounted turn signals

AF01 Light Package?
A11Charger 500/Daytona
A32 Super performance Axle package, includes 4:10 Dana
B41 Power front disk brakes
B51 Power brakes
C16 Console Shift

F8F8 Greeeeeen
C6X Black interior, vinyl bucket seats
X9 Black interior, Windshield pillars and upper door frame.
820 Build date

E86 440 375 hp
D32  727 trans

Mike,

Thanks - but the "books" show that was a correct config.  (without A/C).

It was a 69-70 opt. w/ Auto Trans Only.

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Again though, no A/C.

Right - that's what is confusing...

All the "books" say the A33 Track Pack is reserved for 440 and 426 cars with manual 4 spd trans.   

Also, said it was NOT avail on cars with Air Cond.   

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

  Would requesting a tow package on your Charger change what rear you would have gotten?

A35   Trailer Towing Package
   

Avail. w/ Auto trans only.     N/A w/ Hemi or /6

XP model without A/C
$47.75
XS model without A/C
$25.30
XP model with A/C
$37.30
XS model with A/C
$14.75


   

    *
      Max cool option
    *
      HD perf axle ratio 3.23 (8¾" rear)
    *
      HD suspension F & R
    *
      HD brakes
    *
      Wide rims (5.5JK)
    *
      Variable load turn-signal flasher
    *
      HD stop-lamp switch

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Believe it or not, the rarest option so far that I have in the registry of over 2150 Chargers is the A31 High Performance Package.

This consisted of mainly a 3.91:1 ratio 8¾" rear......only available with a 383 & 4bbl (with or without A/C)

To date I only have (1) registered with this option & believe it or not I HAVE the tag for the car!   Its an SE car as well.  It was given to me by a Moparts member who found the car in a PA junk yard (which is long gone now)

This car was also built on the last day of production for the '69 model year....7/18/69

[FJMG]

R/T with D32 AND A33? HMMMM Definitely was not available to the public as a D32 option, only dana option was 4.10 (A36). But with mopar mistakes were not uncommon! Maybe an executive ordered it that way?

[69CoronetRT]

Anyone see/have 69 RT w/ 727 and A33 Track Pack? Books say it is not possible...  

It's not possible because....

If you had a 383 car and wanted the four speed, all you have to do is check D21 and you got the manual over the automatic transmission.

Ordering D21 was not a stand alone option for the 440 or Hemi.The only way to get the four speed with a 440 or Hemi was within the A33 or or A34 PACKAGE.  The Package included the four speed, Dana, dual point distributor, and max cool radiator and fan set up. Just as you could not order the Max cool package or the Dana as a stand alone option, you could not order the four speed by itself. You didn't get the Track Pack because you got the four speed, you got the four speed because you got the Track Pack.

A/C was never available with A33. Therefore, Chris' explanation is the best:
A---fake tag
B---factory error mis-stamp
C---error reading the tag
D---1 of none car!

Is the BS available and what does it say?

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

Anyone see/have 69 RT w/ 727 and A33 Track Pack? Books say it is not possible...  

It's not possible because....

If you had a 383 car and wanted the four speed, all you have to do is check D21 and you got the manual over the automatic transmission.

Ordering D21 was not a stand alone option for the 440 or Hemi.The only way to get the four speed with a 440 or Hemi was within the A33 or or A34 PACKAGE.  The Package included the four speed, Dana, dual point distributor, and max cool radiator and fan set up. Just as you could not order the Max cool package or the Dana as a stand alone option, you could not order the four speed by itself. You didn't get the Track Pack because you got the four speed, you got the four speed because you got the Track Pack.

A/C was never available with A33. Therefore, Chris' explanation is the best:
A---fake tag
B---factory error mis-stamp
C---error reading the tag
D---1 of none car!

Is the BS available and what does it say?

I do need to see the BS/Build Sheet - unless you meant to say the build sheet might be BS (which the whole car might be...)

I would hope the error is either "B" or "C", as "A" is bu!!$h!t and "D" is improbable, true?

Thanks for the info - this site is spot on so far