Is this a Charger ?

[hellrider]

I think this has more to do with the fact that the coyote and the roadrunner were a big thing culturally in brasil and alot of people have them as stickers on cars. Alot of muscle cars as well as cars deemed to be fast have roadrunner stickers on them...

I dont THINK there is a charger roadrunner...If there is, then...there is...im just explaining a bit of how big the roadrunner is culturally in brazil

[bull]

Actually we arent from German descent although we do happen to attend a mennonite church...we live in the capital city which is Asuncion and not in the chaco which is the upper half of the country...I was just in a big mennonite settlement this weekend since I was racing my 58' VW in a touring race through one of the bigger almost mennonite-only cities called Filadelfia in the chaco...I do know an Arnoldo Wiens...maybe your wife knows him ?

My wife and her relatives are actually of Dutch decent; sorry for the mistake. She has one uncle named Kornelius Goerzen who lives in Asuncion and used to work at the German embassy there. He and his wife Leni go to the Mennonite church in Asuncion when they are there but also have a home in Filadelfia. If you don't know him my wife says your parents probably do.

[Nacho-RT74]

there is a Brazilian Member around... Ardmuster ( or something like that LOL ) with one of those

[jeryst]

You see so many American cars going to other countries.
What would it take to buy one of the Brazilian Chargers and bring it over here?
Are there equipment laws and safety inspections?
What would one of those Chargers cost in US dollars, if it was nicely restored, or a very nice survivor?
What year are they?
Do all years look the same, or are there variations?

[hellrider]

From what ive gathered they started making the Charger in Brazil in 1970 with the A body due to the size of the B body not being small enough for brazilian streets and highways at the time. Fuel economy was also a concern which is why they went over to a smaller body size. I have no idea how much they would be going for fully restored but in a couple days I should be purchasing this one (the one that is primered in my first post) for $4500 USD.

Currently has a maverick engine in it, but the owner does have the original engine and tranny as well. Needs 2 front shocks, and is missing the interior and seats. All the parts to restore it completely are obtainable in brazil, however.

Bull: My parents do know Kornelius and his wife. She says they are very well known and a very important part of the church here. We have 2 main mennonite church services going on in Asuncion at the same chapel. Kornelius goes to the german-speaking portion of it and my parents go to the spanish-speaking part of it although the members do know each other in both churches.

[jeryst]

Do the headlight grills open like a regular Charger?, or do the lights just shine through?

[hellrider]

They just shine through...

[bull]

Bull: My parents do know Kornelius and his wife. She says they are very well known and a very important part of the church here. We have 2 main mennonite church services going on in Asuncion at the same chapel. Kornelius goes to the german-speaking portion of it and my parents go to the spanish-speaking part of it although the members do know each other in both churches.

Yes, he is pretty well known in the community, especially due to his connections in the political realm. Whenever my wife or any of her familiy travels to Paraguay he is the first one they make contact with to avoid any potential trouble with the local authorities. Not that there is much trouble but it just makes things go much smoother when they are stopped and asked for identification. My wife is curious now to find out what your last name is.

[hellrider]

Last name is Fretes...parents are Luis and Jazmin Fretes...the former presidents wife goes to the mennonite church here and we are good friends with them since my father is also in politics among other things...the world is a tiny place eh ? who wouldve thought...

[bull]

Yup, small world. Good luck with the Charger.

[hellrider]

Update: I get to meet up with him on thursday to check out the car and if everything looks good I should be buying it soon...Ill get new pictures up on thursday so you can all take a look at the car...

[Nacho-RT74]

It could be a dodge 3700GT

thats an Spanish product

[hellrider]

yup...I think weve established its a charger by now...atleast I think so hopefully ill get the vin and everything will match up on thursday and this baby should be MINE by later next week...

[C_stripes]

Here you go, there are many threads about them on A-bodies only, http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=83460&highlight=dart+charger

I would say that it is just as much a charger as a B-body one. It came from the factory badged as a charger and in all actuality, is true to the Charger roots. You know, since the first American Charger was actually a 65 Dart Charger.

[A383Wing]

I wouldn't mind having one of them Brazilian Chargers...Hell, I might even trade our cream 66 for one if it came along.

Were any of them right hand drive?

[hellrider]

None of them were right hand drive...South America has always been left hand drive...I dont mind trading for a real charger Thursday cannot come fast enough...I wanna see this bad boy !!

[Nacho-RT74]

I wouldn't mind having one of them Brazilian Chargers...Hell, I might even trade our cream 66 for one if it came along.

Were any of them right hand drive?

only countries right hand drive are commonwealth countries ( and actually not everyone of them )

[hellrider]

Just 14 Hours or so until I get to see her in person...  Ive been trying to sleep to hopefully just wake up in the morning but all this to no avail... 

[hellrider]

Went to take a look at the car...dont know what to think about it just yet...the car itself looks solid, with some metal work needing to be done...but he says the engine is seized and so is the tranny, although it is the original engine for the car... Ill have to think about it and make a decision, but here are some new pics...

[hellrider]

Btw, like ive mentioned before, whats in the hood now is a 4cyl Ford Maverick engine...which will soon become lawn furniture...hes got the original 318 and 3 speed tranny although both seem to be seized...fortunately brazil, country where these were built is only a 4hr drive away from me so alot of what I will need to get this running again will be accessible with a relatively short drive...

[A383Wing]

Looks like it's been hit in the front...if you got the time and money to restore it...it's your call....but in my opinion, it's too far gone for me to start bringing it back

[hemi-hampton]

Price seems steep for Condition   LEON.

[hellrider]

I talked to my mechanic and I will be heading out there to see the car again taking him with me...Since he will be the one actually working on the car for the most part, I figure I should get an opinion from him, and get an estimate of what its gonna cost me, how well he will realistically be able to do the job, etc... will get back to all of you later tonight and let you know the veredict...

[Nacho-RT74]

as many of guys here have stated, there is something about them that I like. Not really thinking on I'm getting a Charger but yes a Dart. Side by side thinking on they are A bodies I preffer the Brazilian Charger than a USA Dart ( except when we are talking about 70/71 Swingers )

Now... Dunno how much you are paying and how many time you have been searching on for a Charger but... ARE YOU SURE THIS IS THE RIGHT ONE you want ? and I'm not talking about the body conditions because that canm be fixed anytime by anybody who cares about, but yes the complete trim... is there ? is in good conditions ? when restoring a car the main concern comes into my mind is the trim and parts such as lenses, moldings, grille, inserts INTERIOR parts ( not the seat covers, since they can be easily redone )... specially because ANYTHING OIF MOSTLY OF THOSE will be found in USA, so you will need to keep in touch with Mopar brazilian boards. Ardmusnters who is a brazilian member here maybe will be helpfull.

Por cierto, si por casualidad hablas español, Saludos desde Venezuela. Aqui "afortunadamente" fueron ensamblados los Chargers con el Body de USA, y se de alguien que creo que va a vender el suyo pronto, en la ciudad de maracaibo. un 74 Hardtop que esta armado completo, pero no completamente bien restaurado, solo "arreglado". Necesita alguien a quien le importe.

Hay tambien un amigo paraguayo que trabaja en la embajada de Paraguay aqui en Caracas que esta armando un 69 SE

[hellrider]

Let me get the english out of the way first: The complete trim is there, grill, no headlights but it does have the taillights, he does have the seats although I dont know If I want the original seats in there. The benefit I do have is that there are alot of these brazilian charger parts in brazil and are easily obtainable. I am not too concerned about having a perfectly restored car, as I am almost certain it will be painted flat black and have aftermarket seats, and I am still unsure of wether I will have a back seat or make it a 2 seater. The main goal for this car is to have a car tailored to my likes. I have restored many cars and do appreciate them very much but I dont think this is a valuable enough edition of a charger  to have and restore (meaning I wont feel too bad if I dont restore it with 100% originality). When the day comes in which I can afford a real charger, it will definitely be a 69, perhaps even an R/T, but until then I think this is a perfect car for what I am looking to do with it. (meaning, I would feel bad about making a flat black 2 seater out of a 69 R/T, however I could sleep well at night knowing ive got this one, modified, sitting in the garage )

Ahora, habiando dicho eso si hablo espanhol ya que soy nacido en Paraguay Lastimosamente pasando el 70 me dejaron de gustar esteticamente los chargers y el que me gustaria tener seria un 68 o 69. Si sabes de alguno a la venta en venezuela estaria agradecido por la informacion. Si sabes de cualquier otro auto como un Challenger aunque lo vea dificil tambien estaria bien. Me alegra saber que haya algun otro paraguayo alla que le gusten los chargers...si tenemos suerte cuando termine con su trabajo en la embajada puede y que venga por aca el charger