white Hemi Superbird

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http://www.wesellmopars.com/lightpopup9/70plymouthpictures.html

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[nascarxx29]

  Notice there is no power brake booster vac hose.Looks to be on the buildsheet RM23ROA179800

[nascarxx29]

Wing nut Pete was looking for the 179800 car on this old post

Does Hemi'Bird RM23R0A179800 still exist?
« on: May 29, 2009, 12:08:53 PM » Quote 

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  I own the "Lindsley's Plymouth" Hemi Superbird. RM23R0A180651.  In the August 79
Winged Warrior newsletter, Jim Lindsley is shown owing my car and RM23R0A179800, another Hemi 'bird.  Does anyone know if this car exists today?
  When I spoke to Jim Lindsley's daughter a few years back, she said "my dad bought a parts car Superbird in California for $400."
back in the early seventies.  I wonder if this is the car I am inquiring about.  Pete

[hemi68charger]

Pete... Looks like yours........    Those white 'birds are the boss..........

[learical1]

missing front spoiler?

[maxwellwedge]

Notice there is no power brake booster vac hose.Looks to be on the buildsheet RM23ROA179800

Booster is there - hose and booster fitting not installed for some reason.

[nascarxx29]

No I seen the booster.No hose or plastic fitting [no power brake booster vac hose]

[hemi68charger]

Apparently the proper air cleaner base for the non-fresh air cars are hard to come by, this is another example of a car with the wrong one........  No one reproducing them?

[SBBob]

The air cleaners are indeed hard to find.  They were to be changed, but because they were in such a hurry changing the cars over I think it just did not happen.  Back in the early 80's I had a part number that they were supposed to use.  I ran it at the local dealership and the number was not valid.  We went 1 & 2 numbers past that number and up came the base plate and lid.  I was told that the first number was a unit number for the base plate and lid together and was only used at the factory.  Almost all of the hemi birds I have seen have the fresh air base plate.  Yo, SBBob

[hemi68charger]

...  Almost all of the hemi birds I have seen have the fresh air base plate.  Yo, SBBob

If that is indeed the case, that's another "Man, I learn something new everyday".....  Was it a case they just didn't have any around at the plant that weekend? The base isn't anything special over say, a hemi '70 Challenger, Charger or Road Runner...   But, as they say, MaMopar wasn't the zenith of Quality Control back then..........

[UFO]

Most of the hemi cars with the oval air cleaner had fresh air hood as standard.
So yes I would say not alot were around even new.

[TK73]

The air cleaners are indeed hard to find.  They were to be changed, but because they were in such a hurry changing the cars over I think it just did not happen.  Back in the early 80's I had a part number that they were supposed to use.  I ran it at the local dealership and the number was not valid.  We went 1 & 2 numbers past that number and up came the base plate and lid.  I was told that the first number was a unit number for the base plate and lid together and was only used at the factory.  Almost all of the hemi birds I have seen have the fresh air base plate.  Yo, SBBob

Hey Bob!!

Good to see ya here... Chris

[hemi68charger]

Most of the hemi cars with the oval air cleaner had fresh air hood as standard.
So yes I would say not alot were around even new.

All '70 hemi-equipped Chargers and Superbird had regular bases, or were suppose to in theory..... Most hemi-equipped Challengers didn't come with a Shaker. Now, the Plymouth line seemed to love the fresh-air hoods...

[FJ5WING]

Most of the hemi cars with the oval air cleaner had fresh air hood as standard.
So yes I would say not alot were around even new.

All '70 hemi-equipped Chargers and Superbird had regular bases, or were suppose to in theory..... Most hemi-equipped Challengers didn't come with a Shaker. Now, the Plymouth line seemed to love the fresh-air hoods...

Im sure I have this all twisted up but what I remember is that the Chally's with the shaker had leak problems and they halted the shaker as an option on the Challengers. Im sure someone can clear it up if I did indeed cause more confusion.

[hemi68charger]

Most of the hemi cars with the oval air cleaner had fresh air hood as standard.
So yes I would say not alot were around even new.

All '70 hemi-equipped Chargers and Superbird had regular bases, or were suppose to in theory..... Most hemi-equipped Challengers didn't come with a Shaker. Now, the Plymouth line seemed to love the fresh-air hoods...

Im sure I have this all twisted up but what I remember is that the Chally's with the shaker had leak problems and they halted the shaker as an option on the Challengers. Im sure someone can clear it up if I did indeed cause more confusion.

For the remainder of the '70 model year? I have seen my share of '71 v-code Shaker Challengers... I'm curious too..............

[maxwellwedge]

70 Shaker Challengers are pretty rare. I had a V-Code RT-SE Shaker. They did not ship until mid-April of 70 due to either vendor trouble or safety trouble...depending on who you believe. There are way more N96 '71's as the hood production was smoothed out.

[maxwellwedge]

The air cleaners are indeed hard to find.  They were to be changed, but because they were in such a hurry changing the cars over I think it just did not happen.  Back in the early 80's I had a part number that they were supposed to use.  I ran it at the local dealership and the number was not valid.  We went 1 & 2 numbers past that number and up came the base plate and lid.  I was told that the first number was a unit number for the base plate and lid together and was only used at the factory.  Almost all of the hemi birds I have seen have the fresh air base plate.  Yo, SBBob

The one in your pic looks right. Birds were not really "converted" like Daytona's were so I think they would have received the non Fresh-Air baseplate like yours...But If they were out and only had the fresh air style (no front lip/shield) I am sure they used whatever they could to keep moving. Every 70 Hemi non fresh air car I have has the lip/shield.

[nascarxx29]

http://www.nicksgarage.com/aircleaner.htm

[Redbird]

Was there an earlier post about this car not having the original numbers engine? If so and the engine was out of the car that would explain why it now has the wrong air cleaner, someone had to put it back together from parts. FWIW, is the splash shield from a 440-6 non fresh air base the same? If so there are plenty of those around, especially later issued ones. Couldn't the owner take one off a 440-6 and spot weld it on the Hemi fresh air cleaner to make it look more correct if he can't find the correct one?

[maxwellwedge]

Was there an earlier post about this car not having the original numbers engine? If so and the engine was out of the car that would explain why it now has the wrong air cleaner, someone had to put it back together from parts. FWIW, is the splash shield from a 440-6 non fresh air base the same? If so there are plenty of those around, especially later issued ones. Couldn't the owner take one off a 440-6 and spot weld it on the Hemi fresh air cleaner to make it look more correct if he can't find the correct one?

Yes - It should work.

[maxwellwedge]

http://www.nicksgarage.com/aircleaner.htm

Hey Dave - That is a cool site!

[SBBob]

Hey back at you Chris.  Back to the air cleaners.  The person I was talking to in the 80's at the dealership also said that Plymouth would have had to go to the Dodge division for the air cleaners with the belt guards.  All hemi Plymouths came with fresh air induction as part of the package.  I too have seen fresh air cars with the belt guard sheild.  Never can learn enough about what happened.