How rare is a 69 R/T SE?

[GATOR MC KLUSKY]

with a 4 Speed? Was a light green car, before somebody repainted it... Anyone ideas?

[tan top]

  Chris  (just 69 charg ) & his awesome  registry can give you a better idea of how many are registered or known at this time 

  http://www.1969chargerregistry.com

http://www.1969chargerregistry.com/stats.html

[GATOR MC KLUSKY]

Oh, Thanks. I meant if somebody knows how many 4 Speet R/T's had been built?...

[tan top]

Oh, Thanks. I meant if somebody knows how many 4 Speet R/T's had been built?...

i dont think that info is known ! for a R/TSE ,  doubt it is that many !  if anyone will know!!  it will be Just6t9 Chris 

[SFRT]

 for 69 440 R/T they made about 3000 4 speed cars, and about 17,000 automatics.

[R2]

69 440 R/T they made about 3000 4 speed cars

so out of that number,,,would be the RT/SE's

(i also have a RT/SE 4 speed)

[Ghoste]

It's impossible to say for sure because the "SE" trim package was a separate trim option and Chrysler just didn't break their production numbers down that way.  You can figure out the RT because it was a specific model and Mopar did track how many of a transmission and engine combo were shipped with each model but beyond that it is just a guess.
If you have access to Ward's Reports or things like that you can make an educated guess because Chrysler did supply percentages of options to the trade papers but exact numbers will never be known.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

It's impossible to say for sure because the "SE" trim package was a separate trim option and Chrysler jsut didn't break their production numbers down that way.  You can figure out the RT because it was a specific model and Mopar did track how many of a transmission and engine combo were shipped with each model but beyond that it is just a guess.
If you have access to Ward's Reports or things like that you can make an educated guess because Chrysler did supply percentages of options to the trade papers but exact numbers will never be known.

I concur 

[1969chargerrtse]

How about  taking the % number of how many R/Ts were 4 speeds and using it in the R/T SE equation?  Same percent divided into the 4200 ish rtse cars?
Example:  if 10% of R/T cars were 4 speeds than maybe there were about 420 standard RTSE cars. No?

[Ghoste]

Maybe.  But then again, what if only 5% of SE buyers also bought a four speed?

[1969chargerrtse]

Just ball parking here. Getting an idea. 

[Ghoste]

And it is probably accurate.  I'm just being devil's advocate and pointing out that it will still just be an approximate.

[Dans 68]

for 69 440 R/T they made about 3000 4 speed cars, and about 17,000 automatics.

I show about 3,605 4-speed 440's and 207 4-speed R/T Hemi's.  

Dan

[69CoronetRT]

How about  taking the % number of how many R/Ts were 4 speeds and using it in the R/T SE equation?  Same percent divided into the 4200 ish rtse cars?
Example:  if 10% of R/T cars were 4 speeds than maybe there were about 420 standard RTSE cars. No?

It's a good thought but... no...you can't work the numbers that way. You can't cross reference, or even estimate, two option combinations.

[1969chargerrtse]

How about  taking the % number of how many R/Ts were 4 speeds and using it in the R/T SE equation?  Same percent divided into the 4200 ish rtse cars?
Example:  if 10% of R/T cars were 4 speeds than maybe there were about 420 standard RTSE cars. No?

It's a good thought but... no...you can't work the numbers that way. You can't cross reference, or even estimate, two option combinations.

Is it fair to say that however many R/T cars are 4 speeds? That RTSE cars are part of that and obviously less than the R/T number total?
So if there are 3,000.00 R/T 4 speed cars ( 20,000  RT cars and 4,000 RTSE cars ) and RTSE cars are about a 1/4 the production numbers of them that there "could" be about 750 ish RTSE cars that are 4 speeds?  Aahhh. Now go figure that one out.

[69CoronetRT]

Is it fair to say ....[/quote]

No because you have to assume facts not in evidence. You have to assume the distribution of the four speeds within the subset of SE's is the same as the distribuion as the R/Ts and there is nothing to support that assumption. SE owners could have ordered more four speeds than R/T buyers or they could have ordered automatics in a ratio much higher than R/T owners. There is no way to know which is true.

[GATOR MC KLUSKY]

O.K. Thanks friends!  The next step is to find out if my car is a original 4 Speed. Fender Tag is missin    There are some doubts that it could have been made into a 4 Speed. Maybe not.. I have to check these days.

[1969chargerrtse]

O.K. Thanks friends!  The next step is to find out if my car is a original 4 Speed. Fender Tag is missin    There are some doubts that it could have been made into a 4 Speed. Maybe not.. I have to check these days.

Just look at the floor hump and see if it was converted.

[1969chargerrtse]

Is it fair to say ....

No because you have to assume facts not in evidence. You have to assume the distribution of the four speeds within the subset of SE's is the same as the distribuion as the R/Ts and there is nothing to support that assumption. SE owners could have ordered more four speeds than R/T buyers or they could have ordered automatics in a ratio much higher than R/T owners. There is no way to know which is true.


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Stop telling me No.     Just looking to get an idea, ball park figure, an about.

[ChargerSG]

I looked for a 1969 RT/SE with 4 speed a trackpack car for 10 years that wasent restord(driver) and found one two years ago for 40k in primer. With that said i just wanted to put in allot of those RT/SE claming to be 4speed or trackpack like 2 of them all was it for real(and i bought one of them).  There is a good number of RT/SE still around but not many real 4speeds, soo my guess(been thinking and lurking about what number made for years) would be something between 3-5% top.

[1969chargerrtse]

I know  of one near me. It's blue and has few options. I gave Chris the info for his site.
He has 48 RTSE 4speed cars in his registry as of May 1st 2010.

[Ghoste]

Is it fair to say ....

No because you have to assume facts not in evidence. You have to assume the distribution of the four speeds within the subset of SE's is the same as the distribuion as the R/Ts and there is nothing to support that assumption. SE owners could have ordered more four speeds than R/T buyers or they could have ordered automatics in a ratio much higher than R/T owners. There is no way to know which is true.

Stop telling me No.    Just looking to get an idea, ball park figure, an about.

But the answer is no.  There isn't any way to even get an about or ballpark.  The only number you could say for sure or even as an about is that there are less than the total number of RT four speeds and at least as many as the 48 that Chris has registered.  Any other estimate isn't much more than a dart thrown at a wall of numbers.  I understand why you would want to know but the problem comes in that as soon as someone sees our estimate here on the interent, suddenly it's an official figure as it enters the realm of urban legend.

[1969chargerrtse]

I'm cool. I don't have a 4 speed car and am happy with my 727 knob in one hand and a DD coffee in the other. Just throwing ideas out there at that wall with numbers.
I'm happy to report I "used to" want a 4 speed car or a Daytona clone. More and more I'm just thrilled with what I have. It's nice not to want. 

[tan top]

been thinking , performance minded buyers would have prolly gone for the R/T  4 speed  , as the R/TSE was  advertised  more of a luxury type car i think   don't know where i'm going  with this but just a thought

[Brock Lee]

I looked for a 1969 RT/SE with 4 speed a trackpack car for 10 years that wasent restord(driver) and found one two years ago for 40k in primer. With that said i just wanted to put in allot of those RT/SE claming to be 4speed or trackpack like 2 of them all was it for real(and i bought one of them).  There is a good number of RT/SE still around but not many real 4speeds, soo my guess(been thinking and lurking about what number made for years) would be something between 3-5% top.

The flaw with that theory is you are basing it off of what you had found during your search many years after these cars were built. There is a possibility that more than you estimate were made, but they had a worse than usual survival rate.