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How rare is a 69 R/T SE?

Started by GATOR MC KLUSKY, May 08, 2010, 03:09:30 AM

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GATOR MC KLUSKY

with a 4 Speed? Was a light green car, before somebody repainted it... Anyone ideas?

tan top

  Chris  (just 69 charg ) & his awesome  registry can give you a better idea of how many are registered or known at this time  :yesnod:

  http://www.1969chargerregistry.com

http://www.1969chargerregistry.com/stats.html
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GATOR MC KLUSKY

Oh, Thanks. I meant if somebody knows how many 4 Speet R/T's had been built?... :cheers:

tan top

Quote from: GATOR MC KLUSKY on May 08, 2010, 06:11:43 AM
Oh, Thanks. I meant if somebody knows how many 4 Speet R/T's had been built?... :cheers:


i dont think that info is known ! for a R/TSE ,  doubt it is that many !  if anyone will know!!  it will be Just6t9 Chris  :yesnod:
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SFRT

 for 69 440 R/T they made about 3000 4 speed cars, and about 17,000 automatics.
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Quote69 440 R/T they made about 3000 4 speed cars

so out of that number,,,would be the RT/SE's

(i also have a RT/SE 4 speed)

:2thumbs:

Ghoste

It's impossible to say for sure because the "SE" trim package was a separate trim option and Chrysler just didn't break their production numbers down that way.  You can figure out the RT because it was a specific model and Mopar did track how many of a transmission and engine combo were shipped with each model but beyond that it is just a guess.
If you have access to Ward's Reports or things like that you can make an educated guess because Chrysler did supply percentages of options to the trade papers but exact numbers will never be known.

Just 6T9 CHGR

Quote from: Ghoste on May 08, 2010, 04:46:45 PM
It's impossible to say for sure because the "SE" trim package was a separate trim option and Chrysler jsut didn't break their production numbers down that way.  You can figure out the RT because it was a specific model and Mopar did track how many of a transmission and engine combo were shipped with each model but beyond that it is just a guess.
If you have access to Ward's Reports or things like that you can make an educated guess because Chrysler did supply percentages of options to the trade papers but exact numbers will never be known.

I concur  :thumbs:
Chris' '69 Charger R/T


1969chargerrtse

How about  taking the % number of how many R/Ts were 4 speeds and using it in the R/T SE equation?  Same percent divided into the 4200 ish rtse cars?
Example:  if 10% of R/T cars were 4 speeds than maybe there were about 420 standard RTSE cars. No? :P
This car was sold many years ago to somebody in Wisconsin. I now am retired and living in Florida.

Ghoste

Maybe.  But then again, what if only 5% of SE buyers also bought a four speed?

1969chargerrtse

Just ball parking here. Getting an idea.  :shruggy:
This car was sold many years ago to somebody in Wisconsin. I now am retired and living in Florida.

Ghoste

And it is probably accurate.  I'm just being devil's advocate and pointing out that it will still just be an approximate.

Dans 68

Quote from: SFRT on May 08, 2010, 12:40:39 PM
for 69 440 R/T they made about 3000 4 speed cars, and about 17,000 automatics.

I show about 3,605 4-speed 440's and 207 4-speed R/T Hemi's.  :Twocents:

Dan
1973 SE 400 727  1 of 19,645                                        1968 383 4bbl 4spds  2 of 259

69CoronetRT

Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on May 08, 2010, 05:40:58 PM
How about  taking the % number of how many R/Ts were 4 speeds and using it in the R/T SE equation?  Same percent divided into the 4200 ish rtse cars?
Example:  if 10% of R/T cars were 4 speeds than maybe there were about 420 standard RTSE cars. No? :P

It's a good thought but... no...you can't work the numbers that way. You can't cross reference, or even estimate, two option combinations.
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1969chargerrtse

Quote from: 69CoronetRT on May 08, 2010, 08:41:31 PM
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on May 08, 2010, 05:40:58 PM
How about  taking the % number of how many R/Ts were 4 speeds and using it in the R/T SE equation?  Same percent divided into the 4200 ish rtse cars?
Example:  if 10% of R/T cars were 4 speeds than maybe there were about 420 standard RTSE cars. No? :P

It's a good thought but... no...you can't work the numbers that way. You can't cross reference, or even estimate, two option combinations.
Is it fair to say that however many R/T cars are 4 speeds? That RTSE cars are part of that and obviously less than the R/T number total?
So if there are 3,000.00 R/T 4 speed cars ( 20,000  RT cars and 4,000 RTSE cars ) and RTSE cars are about a 1/4 the production numbers of them that there "could" be about 750 ish RTSE cars that are 4 speeds?  Aahhh. Now go figure that one out.
This car was sold many years ago to somebody in Wisconsin. I now am retired and living in Florida.

69CoronetRT

Is it fair to say ....[/quote]

No because you have to assume facts not in evidence. You have to assume the distribution of the four speeds within the subset of SE's is the same as the distribuion as the R/Ts and there is nothing to support that assumption. SE owners could have ordered more four speeds than R/T buyers or they could have ordered automatics in a ratio much higher than R/T owners. There is no way to know which is true.

:cheers:
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GATOR MC KLUSKY

O.K. Thanks friends!  :cheers: The next step is to find out if my car is a original 4 Speed. Fender Tag is missin   :brickwall: There are some doubts that it could have been made into a 4 Speed. Maybe not.. I have to check these days.

1969chargerrtse

Quote from: GATOR MC KLUSKY on May 09, 2010, 04:02:35 AM
O.K. Thanks friends!  :cheers: The next step is to find out if my car is a original 4 Speed. Fender Tag is missin   :brickwall: There are some doubts that it could have been made into a 4 Speed. Maybe not.. I have to check these days.
Just look at the floor hump and see if it was converted.
This car was sold many years ago to somebody in Wisconsin. I now am retired and living in Florida.

1969chargerrtse

Quote from: 69CoronetRT on May 08, 2010, 10:29:04 PM
Is it fair to say ....

No because you have to assume facts not in evidence. You have to assume the distribution of the four speeds within the subset of SE's is the same as the distribuion as the R/Ts and there is nothing to support that assumption. SE owners could have ordered more four speeds than R/T buyers or they could have ordered automatics in a ratio much higher than R/T owners. There is no way to know which is true.

:cheers:
[/quote]
Stop telling me No.  :slap: :icon_smile_big:  Just looking to get an idea, ball park figure, an about.
This car was sold many years ago to somebody in Wisconsin. I now am retired and living in Florida.

ChargerSG

I looked for a 1969 RT/SE with 4 speed a trackpack car for 10 years that wasent restord(driver) and found one two years ago for 40k in primer. With that said i just wanted to put in allot of those RT/SE claming to be 4speed or trackpack like 2 of them all was it for real(and i bought one of them).  There is a good number of RT/SE still around but not many real 4speeds, soo my guess(been thinking and lurking about what number made for years) would be something between 3-5% top.
Looking for 383 Magnum #0B196875 and 0B115166

1969chargerrtse

I know  of one near me. It's blue and has few options. I gave Chris the info for his site.
He has 48 RTSE 4speed cars in his registry as of May 1st 2010.
This car was sold many years ago to somebody in Wisconsin. I now am retired and living in Florida.

Ghoste

Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on May 09, 2010, 06:29:56 AM
Quote from: 69CoronetRT on May 08, 2010, 10:29:04 PM
Is it fair to say ....

No because you have to assume facts not in evidence. You have to assume the distribution of the four speeds within the subset of SE's is the same as the distribuion as the R/Ts and there is nothing to support that assumption. SE owners could have ordered more four speeds than R/T buyers or they could have ordered automatics in a ratio much higher than R/T owners. There is no way to know which is true.

:cheers:
Quote
Stop telling me No.  :slap: :icon_smile_big:  Just looking to get an idea, ball park figure, an about.

But the answer is no.  There isn't any way to even get an about or ballpark.  The only number you could say for sure or even as an about is that there are less than the total number of RT four speeds and at least as many as the 48 that Chris has registered.  Any other estimate isn't much more than a dart thrown at a wall of numbers.  I understand why you would want to know but the problem comes in that as soon as someone sees our estimate here on the interent, suddenly it's an official figure as it enters the realm of urban legend.

1969chargerrtse

I'm cool. I don't have a 4 speed car and am happy with my 727 knob in one hand and a DD coffee in the other. Just throwing ideas out there at that wall with numbers.
I'm happy to report I "used to" want a 4 speed car or a Daytona clone. More and more I'm just thrilled with what I have. It's nice not to want.  :2thumbs:
This car was sold many years ago to somebody in Wisconsin. I now am retired and living in Florida.

tan top

been thinking , performance minded buyers would have prolly gone for the R/T  4 speed  , as the R/TSE was  advertised  more of a luxury type car i think  :scratchchin: :shruggy: don't know where i'm going  with this but just a thought :scratchchin: :shruggy: :popcrn:
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Brock Lee

Quote from: ChargerSG on May 09, 2010, 08:50:19 AM
I looked for a 1969 RT/SE with 4 speed a trackpack car for 10 years that wasent restord(driver) and found one two years ago for 40k in primer. With that said i just wanted to put in allot of those RT/SE claming to be 4speed or trackpack like 2 of them all was it for real(and i bought one of them).  There is a good number of RT/SE still around but not many real 4speeds, soo my guess(been thinking and lurking about what number made for years) would be something between 3-5% top.

The flaw with that theory is you are basing it off of what you had found during your search many years after these cars were built. There is a possibility that more than you estimate were made, but they had a worse than usual survival rate.

69CoronetRT

Quote from: Ghoste on May 09, 2010, 10:50:28 AM
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on May 09, 2010, 06:29:56 AM
Quote from: 69CoronetRT on May 08, 2010, 10:29:04 PM
Is it fair to say ....

No because you have to assume facts not in evidence. You have to assume the distribution of the four speeds within the subset of SE's is the same as the distribuion as the R/Ts and there is nothing to support that assumption. SE owners could have ordered more four speeds than R/T buyers or they could have ordered automatics in a ratio much higher than R/T owners. There is no way to know which is true.

:cheers:
Stop telling me No.  :slap: :icon_smile_big:  Just looking to get an idea, ball park figure, an about.

But the answer is no.  There isn't any way to even get an about or ballpark.  The only number you could say for sure or even as an about is that there are less than the total number of RT four speeds and at least as many as the 48 that Chris has registered.  Any other estimate isn't much more than a dart thrown at a wall of numbers.  I understand why you would want to know but the problem comes in that as soon as someone sees our estimate here on the interent, suddenly it's an official figure as it enters the realm of urban legend.
[/quote]

We have a winner! That's one reason why you don't speculate. How many things have been published in magazines and thought to be the 'truth' and later been proven wrong?
Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

GATOR MC KLUSKY

I have no fender tag, but I know it is a SE/RT. Is there a way to find out with the VIN Number what is the deal with the car, or should I just be happy that I have one, and keep my mouth shut?  :shruggy:

y3chargerrt

How do know its an original R/T S/E? The code for the S/E (A47) is on the date plate and broadcast sheet

694spdRT

Quote from: GATOR MC KLUSKY on May 13, 2010, 03:50:26 PM
I have no fender tag, but I know it is a SE/RT. Is there a way to find out with the VIN Number what is the deal with the car, or should I just be happy that I have one, and keep my mouth shut?  :shruggy:

The VIN will tell you it is an R/T, what the engine is/was, what year it is, plant where it was built, and the sequence# at the plant where it was built. Not to say it is not but nothing about the SE or 4 speed status is going to be there.
1968 Charger 383 auto
1969 Charger R/T 440 4 speed
1970 Charger 500 440 auto
1972 Challenger 318
1976 W200 Club Cab 4x4 400 auto 
1978 Ramcharger 360 auto
2001 Durango SLT 4.7L (daily driver)
2005 Ram 2500 4x4 Big Horn Cummins Diesel 6 speed
2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited 5.7 Hemi

Brock Samson

 rare to see the pedal dress up on a non SE car,.. though some have made the switch.. leather on the buckets?..  :popcrn: Being an R/T S.E. was a requirement when i was looking for a charger,.. by luck the first lead i had was for mine...

crusty440

Mine's an orginal R/TSE, 4-speed, had no idea they are that rare.  Didn't the SE package also include the interior wood grain dash?

tan top

Quote from: crusty440 on May 13, 2010, 07:10:38 PM
Mine's an orginal R/TSE, 4-speed, had no idea they are that rare.  Didn't the SE package also include the interior wood grain dash?

yes woodgrain dash &  the A01 light group package  :yesnod:

hey crusty what color combo is your charger would love to see some picures dude  :2thumbs: :popcrn:
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crusty440

Original was the B7, but was painted B5 around 20 years ago.  I got a couple pic's from the original owner, kinda liked the darker blue with the black top.  Sorry, I'm long overdue to post pic's.  I'm afraid I'm not very computer savvy

HOTROD

I know were one went 6 month ago --(THE CRUSHER )-- and the dumasses drove it in -salvage yard in OKlhoma a friend of mine tryed to get it and they laft at him as the forks went threw the windows   :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
What the Hell-Dumass !

1969chargerrtse

Quote from: HOTROD on May 13, 2010, 08:10:58 PM
I know were one went 6 month ago --(THE CRUSHER )-- and the dumasses drove it in -salvage yard in OKlhoma a friend of mine tryed to get it and they laft at him as the forks went threw the windows   :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:
I find that hard to believe that any yard would let a second gen charger go to the crusher in this day and age?
This car was sold many years ago to somebody in Wisconsin. I now am retired and living in Florida.

1969chargerrtse

Quote from: GATOR MC KLUSKY on May 13, 2010, 03:50:26 PM
I have no fender tag, but I know it is a SE/RT. Is there a way to find out with the VIN Number what is the deal with the car, or should I just be happy that I have one, and keep my mouth shut?  :shruggy:
What I did with my RTSE to be sure and sleep better at night was this, as I have no fender tag or build sheet..........
I matched the XS29 vin on the I.D tag to the front radiator support and trunk lip stampings, so I know It's a true R/T.
I know the firewall for a A/C car is different for a A/C car than non A/C car so I know it had A/C.
I pulled the inner sail panel headliner pieces and took a look at the mounting holes for the SE emblems so I know it didn't have bondo up "Charger" scripts so i know It's a real SE.
I took the door panels and rear panels off to see what I could see with the power windows and one of them had the original plastic and black tape over the gear crank section so i know it's an original Power window car.
The rarest thing is the Power disk, and I have no idea how to figure out if they came on the car, but in my mind they did.  :yesnod:
This car was sold many years ago to somebody in Wisconsin. I now am retired and living in Florida.

Ghoste

It is by no means at all a certain method but there is some solace in determining your disc brakes in that converting the entire system over is a fairly involved procedure and for a very long time, no one worried too greatly about it.  Around the time that everyone started to convert older cars to discs, the four piston setup was already becoming very difficult to get parts for and largely viewed as a less than ideal way to go in any case.  For someone to convert your 69 to power discs and change out all the pieces, they would have to be a real stickler for wanting it to be all factory.  Odds are pretty good that it's legit (drums are ten inch on the back and not the usual RT eleven inchers right?).

RAC95054

Since I also have a '69 4-speed R/T SE, I went through thr production numbers to come up with this:

Total 1969 Dodge Chargers incl. exports (X*29*9*):      89199
Total 1969 Charger R/T incl. exports (XS29*9*):      20057
Total US 1969 Charger R/T w/ 440-4bbl (XS29L9*):      18344
Total US 1969 Charger R/T 440-4, 4-speed (XS29L9*):       3605  (just 19.7% of all R/Ts)

Only about 13.4% of non-R/Ts (9240 of 69142) were ordered with the new for 1969 Special Edition (SE) option code A47.  Applying that percentage to R/T production would give the following guesstimate breakdown of '69 Charger R/T SE production:

Total 440-4bbl, 4-speed Chargers w/ SE Option (3605 x 0.134) =   482
(Note: The SE option was not available on the Hemi R/T)

So it's likely there were fewer than 500 4-speed R/T SE's ever made.  If you've got one with a rare color, then it becomes a 1 of 25 or less.
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69CoronetRT

Quote from: RAC95054 on May 14, 2010, 01:31:55 PM

Only about 13.4% of non-R/Ts (9240 of 69142) were ordered with the new for 1969 Special Edition (SE) option code A47.  Applying that percentage to R/T production would give the following guesstimate breakdown of '69 Charger R/T SE production:

Total 440-4bbl, 4-speed Chargers w/ SE Option (3605 x 0.134) =   482
(Note: The SE option was not available on the Hemi R/T)

So it's likely there were fewer than 500 4-speed R/T SE's ever made.  If you've got one with a rare color, then it becomes a 1 of 25 or less.


Again, I'm sorry but you can't assume the same percentages and apply them across models. There is no way to know what percentage of R/Ts were ordered with the SE option. They could have been ordered in a much higher or much lower percentage than non R/T's. There is no proof one way or the other. You also cannot include colors. That's really stretching credibility. The best answer is still "we don't know because no factory documentation exists. All we can go on are the R/T-SE's known to exist." (unless you are trying to get a writing gig with MCG and you don't mind making up a WAG on options. How cool is that?)
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RAC95054

Quote from: 69CoronetRT on May 14, 2010, 05:53:15 PM
Quote from: RAC95054 on May 14, 2010, 01:31:55 PM

Only about 13.4% of non-R/Ts (9240 of 69142) were ordered with the new for 1969 Special Edition (SE) option code A47.  Applying that percentage to R/T production would give the following guesstimate breakdown of '69 Charger R/T SE production:

Total 440-4bbl, 4-speed Chargers w/ SE Option (3605 x 0.134) =   482
(Note: The SE option was not available on the Hemi R/T)

So it's likely there were fewer than 500 4-speed R/T SE's ever made.  If you've got one with a rare color, then it becomes a 1 of 25 or less.

Again, I'm sorry but you can't assume the same percentages and apply them across models. There is no way to know what percentage of R/Ts were ordered with the SE option. They could have been ordered in a much higher or much lower percentage than non R/T's. There is no proof one way or the other. You also cannot include colors. That's really stretching credibility. The best answer is still "we don't know because no factory documentation exists..."

Of course I wasn't implying that is the written record, or that the percentages exactly apply to the R/T production (if you read carefully, I called it a guesstimate).  I was just having some fun with the numbers, and there is no arguing it is a rare combination, regardless of color or whatever else.  Sheesh!  Have some fun with it already!
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1969chargerrtse

Quote from: RAC95054 on May 14, 2010, 06:13:48 PM
Quote from: 69CoronetRT on May 14, 2010, 05:53:15 PM
Quote from: RAC95054 on May 14, 2010, 01:31:55 PM

Only about 13.4% of non-R/Ts (9240 of 69142) were ordered with the new for 1969 Special Edition (SE) option code A47.  Applying that percentage to R/T production would give the following guesstimate breakdown of '69 Charger R/T SE production:

Total 440-4bbl, 4-speed Chargers w/ SE Option (3605 x 0.134) =   482
(Note: The SE option was not available on the Hemi R/T)

So it's likely there were fewer than 500 4-speed R/T SE's ever made.  If you've got one with a rare color, then it becomes a 1 of 25 or less.

Again, I'm sorry but you can't assume the same percentages and apply them across models. There is no way to know what percentage of R/Ts were ordered with the SE option. They could have been ordered in a much higher or much lower percentage than non R/T's. There is no proof one way or the other. You also cannot include colors. That's really stretching credibility. The best answer is still "we don't know because no factory documentation exists..."

Of course I wasn't implying that is the written record, or that the percentages exactly apply to the R/T production (if you read carefully, I called it a guesstimate).  I was just having some fun with the numbers, and there is no arguing it is a rare combination, regardless of color or whatever else.  Sheesh!  Have some fun with it already!

:hah:   Yeah, been there done that.  He aint buging, but I'm with you.
This car was sold many years ago to somebody in Wisconsin. I now am retired and living in Florida.

Ghoste

There is a very high probability that I am wrong here because it has been a long time since I was able to look over someone's shoulder at a Ward's Report (I am vigorously trying to obtain one of my own to answer the "number with vinyl tops" question from a few months back), BUT... my murky memory tells me that the percentage of an option is applied through an entire car line.  That is to say, if your 13.4% of Chargers with the SE option is correct, I believe it is meant to apply to all Chargers for that year and does not break it down between RT and base model.
Again though, I could be wrong.

GATOR MC KLUSKY

O.K. I have the Woodgrain stuff inside. The holes for the SE Emblems were there, and the emblems were in the trunk. (I bought my Charger fresh "painted" and partly disassembled) It used to be a light green F3 or was it called? It used to have a vinyl top. The olde '91 California title says Charger R/T as does the Vin numbers. Engine is a genuine 440 Magnum '69. Haven't found the number where I can identify if it is matching numbers.
Then there is sth. strange. When I got the car the tunnel was cut open and u could see the trans. I don't know why. And the strange thing is, that in the trunk there is the original hump for the 4 speed in the same green color. We did weld it in. It wasn't exacly matching, but did cover the hole good. The hump was kind of cut out with a "metal knife" (Sorry bad English) or hammered out where the welding spots were.
The hole in the ground looked like grinded smooth then. hmmmm. Maybe somebody did this, to get to the shifting mechanism, or side of the tranny? There is also a pistol grip shifter that is not orignial for 69. Maybe they wanted to install this, and were just stupid!

Are there any other things to look at, that tell if it is an original 4 speed, or not? How does the area look like wherer the cluch pedal "turn around" (sorry bad english again) under the left front fender is? Mine looks torched out and welded like south african engeneering..... ;-) But I have seen stuff like this on Fords and Chevys before that was stock. Mopar I'm not so up to date.

I will make some pictures these days.

RAC95054

Does your car have the what looks to be the original rear end (based on the numbers stamped on it, that is)?  If so, and it's a Dana, then it makes it more likely it could be a 4-speed.  If it has 4:10 gears, though, it could have still come with that on an auto as part of the Super Track Pack.
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tan top

Quote from: RAC95054 on May 21, 2010, 01:43:53 PM
Does your car have the what looks to be the original rear end (based on the numbers stamped on it, that is)?  If so, and it's a Dana, then it makes it more likely it could be a 4-speed.  If it has 4:10 gears, though, it could have still come with that on an auto as part of the Super Track Pack.


did'nt DANA equiped cars have different rear axle bump stops also ! (bigger )  :scratchchin: :popcrn:
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69rtse4spd

 All S.E.s came with the three speed wipers also, but having an original 69 R/T S.E. 4-speed 4.10 Track Pack car, mine has the two speed wiper motor in it. This could be an R/T only thing as I have seen other R/Ts with them. I don't think someone would or could put a two speed in place of a three speed motor, but never say never. I also had heard that around 619 were produced, is Y2 a rare color with black top & interior.  :scratchchin:. You can break them down as far as you want to get to a 1 of 25 or 1 of 5, or what ever, in the end as long as you are happy with what you have just enjoy it. I always wanted a 69 4-speed car since my brother had one in the 70s, ( dark blue,  white strip black interior 4-speed ) got one & I love it, even though its been sitting in barn since I drove it out there. 

GATOR MC KLUSKY

Quote from: RAC95054 on May 21, 2010, 01:43:53 PM
Does your car have the what looks to be the original rear end (based on the numbers stamped on it, that is)?  If so, and it's a Dana, then it makes it more likely it could be a 4-speed.  If it has 4:10 gears, though, it could have still come with that on an auto as part of the Super Track Pack.



Thanks, no it is not a Dana. It is the 8 3/4.

GATOR MC KLUSKY

Quote from: 69rtse4spd on May 21, 2010, 06:52:15 PM
All S.E.s came with the three speed wipers also, but having an original 69 R/T S.E. 4-speed 4.10 Track Pack car, mine has the two speed wiper motor in it. This could be an R/T only thing as I have seen other R/Ts with them. I don't think someone would or could put a two speed in place of a three speed motor, but never say never. I also had heard that around 619 were produced, is Y2 a rare color with black top & interior.  :scratchchin:. You can break them down as far as you want to get to a 1 of 25 or 1 of 5, or what ever, in the end as long as you are happy with what you have just enjoy it. I always wanted a 69 4-speed car since my brother had one in the 70s, ( dark blue,  white strip black interior 4-speed ) got one & I love it, even though its been sitting in barn since I drove it out there. 

Yes, I like my car, and it will end up dark green with no vinyl top, when I don't find out more about it. I was just curious if it is a real 4 Speed.

Thanks to all!

I hope my camera is workin' again, then I will post more pictures.

tan top

 :coolgleamA: would love to see any pictures of your  R/T SE  chargers Guys  sometime  !! 4 speed or 727   :cheers: :cheers: :popcrn: :popcrn:
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hemigeno

Quote from: 69rtse4spd on May 21, 2010, 06:52:15 PM
All S.E.s came with the three speed wipers also


J25 3-speed wipers were never a part of Sales Code A47 Special Edition package.  It may have been a common combination to be ordered, but was definitely not mandatory.  There's also no correlation between an R/T and having 2-speed wipers either...  J25 was just another option that needed to be checked off to be added - unless it was a Hemicar in which case it came standard for air cleaner clearance.

:Twocents:

RAC95054

Quote from: tan top on May 24, 2010, 04:05:25 AM
:coolgleamA: would love to see any pictures of your  R/T SE  chargers Guys  sometime  !! 4 speed or 727   :cheers: :cheers: :popcrn: :popcrn:

This is mine...
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XS29LA47V21

From the mid 80s, I have had and been eaten up with RT/SE and struggled with the desire of knowing production numbers like the next guy.  Agree we apparently will never really know.  Tan Top, has an excellent point, based on observation and know low 4spd count on RTs anyway, the SE would be the luxury option.  SE's cars (w/ no RT) over time seem to be maybe fewer then RTSE actually, so I lean toward the higher number of maybe as much as 75% of SE where also RTs, continuing to wag at it, so say percentage of RT as 4spd.  How about a range, urban legand as said - RTSE 4spd range maybe 400-800car as part of  :drool5:2200-3000 RTSEs.  Wait, if you removed all the green, gold and red cars, how many then? :shruggy:  Or move specifically last four month w/ F6

tan top

Quote from: RAC95054 on May 26, 2010, 04:48:34 PM
Quote from: tan top on May 24, 2010, 04:05:25 AM
:coolgleamA: would love to see any pictures of your  R/T SE  chargers Guys  sometime  !! 4 speed or 727   :cheers: :cheers: :popcrn: :popcrn:

This is mine...


:drool5:  nice stance  :2thumbs: 
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1969chargerrtse

Quote from: RAC95054 on May 26, 2010, 04:48:34 PM
Quote from: tan top on May 24, 2010, 04:05:25 AM
:coolgleamA: would love to see any pictures of your  R/T SE  chargers Guys  sometime  !! 4 speed or 727   :cheers: :cheers: :popcrn: :popcrn:

This is mine...

My dream car in my dream color.  Wanna swap? :icon_smile_big:
This car was sold many years ago to somebody in Wisconsin. I now am retired and living in Florida.

Brightyellow69rtse

i have a 69 rt se 4 speed trakpak car :)   shes been off tghe raod for 2 years but shell be rollin again this summer!

tan top

Quote from: Brightyellow69rtse on June 16, 2011, 08:45:14 PM
i have a 69 rt se 4 speed trakpak car :)   shes been off tghe raod for 2 years but shell be rollin again this summer!

:coolgleamA:  can't remember  if i have seen any pictures of your charger ,  whats the color combo  is it a original yellow  car ??  
would like to see pictures sometime  :popcrn:
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Brightyellow69rtse

i have posted pics up a long while ago. i took over 2 years off from the car. i took it apart and it was supposed to be painted but loooong story short it still has the same paint and im building a 440 and putting it back together. it was a trpile green car from the factory. now its a bright yellow color/black interior/black vinyl roof. i dont have any pics on this computer but ill get some on here soon and post it up.

Sweet T

The number for 4 speeds in an RTSE are almost a third.  I did have an article on it about 15 or 20 years ago.  1300ish..... Mines the real deal 4 speed RTSE with 4:10's out of the box.
No, it ain't a Hemi.....thank God!

tan top

Quote from: Brightyellow69rtse on June 17, 2011, 10:22:50 PM
i have posted pics up a long while ago. i took over 2 years off from the car. i took it apart and it was supposed to be painted but loooong story short it still has the same paint and im building a 440 and putting it back together. it was a trpile green car from the factory. now its a bright yellow color/black interior/black vinyl roof. i dont have any pics on this computer but ill get some on here soon and post it up.

:2thumbs:  

looking forward to seeing pictures as & when   :cheers: :2thumbs:

Quote from: Sweet T on June 19, 2011, 08:07:37 PM
The number for 4 speeds in an RTSE are almost a third.  I did have an article on it about 15 or 20 years ago.  1300ish..... Mines the real deal 4 speed RTSE with 4:10's out of the box.

:coolgleamA:  :drool5: got any pictures would love to see them sometime   :popcrn:
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RAC95054

Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on June 14, 2011, 08:15:59 PM
Quote from: RAC95054 on May 26, 2010, 04:48:34 PM
Quote from: tan top on May 24, 2010, 04:05:25 AM
:coolgleamA: would love to see any pictures of your  R/T SE  chargers Guys  sometime  !! 4 speed or 727   :cheers: :cheers: :popcrn: :popcrn:

This is mine...

My dream car in my dream color.  Wanna swap? :icon_smile_big:

Well, didn't really want to swap, but I was thinking of selling...
Play: Work that you enjoy doing for nothing.   -Evan Esar

69CoronetRT

Quote from: Sweet T on June 19, 2011, 08:07:37 PM
The number for 4 speeds in an RTSE are almost a third.  I did have an article on it about 15 or 20 years ago.  1300ish.....

Did the author of the article have factory documentation to back up that number or was it just another 'guestimate'?

It is not possible to cross reference two options and come up with a credible number of cars produced because you have to assume facts not in evidence. The numbers just don't work that way.
Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

1969chargerrtse

Quote from: RAC95054 on June 21, 2011, 05:53:24 PM
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on June 14, 2011, 08:15:59 PM
Quote from: RAC95054 on May 26, 2010, 04:48:34 PM
Quote from: tan top on May 24, 2010, 04:05:25 AM
:coolgleamA: would love to see any pictures of your  R/T SE  chargers Guys  sometime  !! 4 speed or 727   :cheers: :cheers: :popcrn: :popcrn:

This is mine...

My dream car in my dream color.  Wanna swap? :icon_smile_big:
Well, didn't really want to swap, but I was thinking of selling...

Darn, so close.  What are you selling it for and what could you basically tell us about it?

This car was sold many years ago to somebody in Wisconsin. I now am retired and living in Florida.

RAC95054

Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on June 21, 2011, 08:44:05 PM
Quote from: RAC95054 on June 21, 2011, 05:53:24 PM
Quote from: 1969chargerrtse on June 14, 2011, 08:15:59 PM
Quote from: RAC95054 on May 26, 2010, 04:48:34 PM

This is mine...

My dream car in my dream color.  Wanna swap? :icon_smile_big:
Well, didn't really want to swap, but I was thinking of selling...

Darn, so close.  What are you selling it for and what could you basically tell us about it?


I hadn't given it a lot of thought yet (selling), but a guy was asking me what it would take for me to sell it last weekend.  I gave him a number, and he said he'd think about it (but I'm sure I won't hear from him).  I already have another car ('70 B7 GTX) and just dont have as much time as I used to for two cars, so the Charger would be the one to go.  Not that I need to sell it, but I'm sure there are others out there that could enjoy it more than I can these days.  Anyhow. a Western car all it's life.  Trunk pan replaced, all other metal is original (with original undercoating still there). Has the original tranny but the block looks to be a warrenty (no numbers, but all date codes are correct). Everything was redone/rebuilt to stock specs, including the exhaust. It's no trailer queen, but a nice local show car. Have two buildsheets, and a picture of the car early in it's life.  The fender tag is a repro from the buildsheets.  I've had it for about 3 years, and bought it mostly as it is now from a guy in Gold Country here in Cali.  I did some finishing work on it, and found any missing pieces.  Everything works, and the only missing item is the power steering cooler and the original carb (I found a NOS 4640 Carter AVS which is a suitable replacement, and also correctly date coded). If anyone really wants to know more, PM me.
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jessejames

I had one and sold it to a member on this site. When i was searching figures. I found there were approx. 632 made with a four speed R/T S/E. Not sure if that figure is right or not.

Brock Lee

Whatever the initial production was, they had a better survival rate than their baseline brothers.

69CoronetRT

Quote from: jessejames on June 25, 2011, 12:32:37 PM
I found there were approx. 632 made with a four speed R/T S/E. Not sure if that figure is right or not.

There is no way to know how many were produced.

You can know how many R/Ts came with the SE option.
You can know how many R/T's came with a four speed.
You cannot know how many R/Ts came with a combination of two options whether it's A/C and an AM radio or the SE option and a four speed.
Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.