To 6 pack or not?

[THE STIG]

I've got an Edelbrock 650cfm on top of my 440 at the moment, but I've been pondering a six pack set up and I've realized it's one of the few areas where Mopar guys can get new parts easier than GM guys (if you got the money). My biggest concern is that Edelbrock makes the intake manifold but not the 2 bbl carbs, I even called Edelbrock and asked and they told me to get them from Holley. So Edelbrock dosent make them, and I don't want Holleys, so do I have any other options? Also what are the other advantages and disadvantages, other than the obvious HP increase and MPG decrease.

[c00nhunterjoe]

if i had the money i would run a 6 pack, definatly not many on cars out there and opening the hood to see those carbs staring back is awesome.   why dont you want the holley's?  the only drawbacks i would consider is initial cost and then initial tuning. once you have them dialed in you will love them

[mnbigblock]

Although my response will not help you what so ever... HunterJoe already stated the biggest advantage. Those six packs look sweet! I mean really, is that not at least part of the reason why we all drive these cars. Mopars just so much more unique than all the other brand x's out there

[Musicman]

I don't want Holleys, so do I have any other options?

I used the BG Six Shooters on my build...

Positives:

1) Less expensive
2) Squirters in all 3 carburetors
3) Easy access to Idle mixture screws
4) Sight Glass on Float Bowls
5) Electric Choke
6) Mechanical linkage

Negatives:

1) Linkage system will require modification in many cases (easy fix)
2) Mopar 6-Pack air cleaner will fit, but usually requires small base plate modification in the form of a dimple (I used alternative system)

[mike337]

Musicman,

I too have been thinking of a 6 Pack, and am interested in finding out more about your setup.  Any pics, or more detailed specifics?

Mike

[Musicman]

Yup, no problem, just a little busy at the moment... I will be in touch

[THE STIG]

why dont you want the holley's?

Long story short, my first car was a 79 Cutlass w/ a 350 rocket when I got it it needed a starter and a carb. I was 15 at the time and the money I spent for the starter and Carb was like a whole 3 mos. salary (I picked the Holley 750 becouse I was under the impression that is was the best). After I started driving the carb constantly needed adjusting and then it blew a couple of power valves so I've just had a naegative prejudice towards Holley trash ever since.

And Musicman if you would post that up soon it sure would be cool   

[Musicman]

Start with the last few pages of this thread.... the last page in particular. This will be a good primer on the subject.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,52930.0.html

After that you can simply PM me with more questions (which there will be). I have lots of pic's etc here to explain some of the finer details.
I tackled all the issues with these carburetors, so other folks like you won't have too.

OH... and contrary to your earlier comment, most 6-Pack users get better gas mileage, not worse... Your running on a small 2 barrel carburetor most of the time.
6-Packs also produce more Torque as well as HP, it's the nature of the beast.

I could create a thread dedicated to the Six Shooter system (do's & don'ts, how to's, etc) but I somehow get the feeling that it would be about as welcome here as a skunk at a perfume party.

[mauve66]

OH... and contrary to your earlier comment, most 6-Pack users get better gas mileage, not worse... Your running on a single a 2 barrel carburetor most of the time.
6-Packs also produce more Torque as well as HP, it's the nature of the beast.

I could create a thread dedicated to the Six Shooter system (do's & don'ts, how to's, etc) but I somehow get the feeling that it would be about as welcome as a skunk at a perfume party.

depends on how ya drive it i guess, i only got 10-12 MPG from mine, but i don't drive like i'm 75 like some do.........................

by all means, not everyone is a purist out there (especially if power levels are fairly compareable) and with the stock air cleaner on no one would know the difference anyway
thats why i like the flat square 69 1/2 base plate so it will hide 99% of my NOS system when its done

[Ghoste]

Hey Stig, just as a point of clarification, you are aware that the factory Mopar Six pack setup used Holley carbs, correct?

[Musicman]

I could create a thread dedicated to the Six Shooter system (do's & don'ts, how to's, etc) but I somehow get the feeling that it would be about as welcome as a skunk at a perfume party.


Not everyone is a purist out there (especially if power levels are fairly comparable)

That's one of the biggest misconceptions going right there. Because BG rates the flow numbers for their carbs a little differently than most, everyone assumes that they're small.
Wrong...

[c00nhunterjoe]

i dont agree with the mileage statement. there is no difference cruising on a 6 pack setup vs cruising  on a 4bbl. at cruising speeds they both run on "2 barrels"

[THE STIG]

Hey Stig, just as a point of clarification, you are aware that the factory Mopar Six pack setup used Holley carbs, correct?

I am now

[Ghoste]

Okay, and I wasn't trying to be patronizing, it's just that your first post made me think that might be the case.  It doesn't of course mean that you strive to use the Holley's on your car.

[Musicman]

i dont agree with the mileage statement. there is no difference cruising on a 6 pack setup vs cruising  on a 4bbl. at cruising speeds they both run on "2 barrels"

Sorry, I didn't intend to make a blanket statement... I was of course talking about comparing apples to apples... one large equivalent cfm 4 bbl carburetor verses a Six Pack.

[bill440rt]

I looked into those BG carbs, too. But, I decided on Pro Max's 6-pack setup with their "Max-pack" baseplates for tuneability. They came pre-assembled, flow-tested, etc. You give them your engine specs, & they dial it in per your combination. I've only had to adjust the idle screws so far. Really runs nice.

Or, there is another company out there offering a 6-pack EFI system. VERY pricey, but I don't know of another company doing it.

[Musicman]

Big Sugar has the ProMax system on his car too

[Big Sugar]

That is Correct Sir...No Choke setup ,so starting the Big Block can be a little finiky, But after that it's all a go ! No Lag no Bog.
A little expensive for the full Max Pac setupbut well worth it, Got the 1/2 spacers as well.


Ron

[mauve66]

hey Ron, with those spacers your air cleaner has to be up into the scoop area above the hood , right??

reason i ask is i faintly remember having to take my spacers off after putting the hood back on but maybe that was due to the large square base plate and not really the air cleaner height??

oops, hijacked

[Big Sugar]

Nope, You just need to slam the hood down a little harder.....Opens like a Jack in the Box...?...
Not the hamburger joint.....   
that fun & easy to wind up clown thingy.....*.....
Like Bryan .


Actually it's not that much fun.

No Robert my hood still has a 1/2" clearance between the six pack intake and the hood support frame.

I just adjusted my torsion bars to get the front end low enough.


R n

[mauve66]

Nope, You just need to slam the hood down a little harder.....Opens like a Jack in the Box...?...
Not the hamburger joint.....   
that fun & easy to wind up clown thingy.....*.....
Like Bryan .


Actually it's not that much fun.

No Robert my hood still has a 1/2" clearance between the six pack intake and the hood support frame.

I just adjusted my torsion bars to get the front end low enough.


R n

when i did that the whole car went lower, not just the k frame....................