Headlamp buckets for C500's, we have a match !!!

[hemi68charger]

Hey gang,,
I THINK I already know the answer, but the actual headlamp buckets that were used in the grille modification/conversion for the '69 C500's are from a '68 Coronet? The ones in my C500 now aren't correct,,,, they are modified versions from another car that Pete was able to fabricate to work ( great job by the way Pete ). Guess I need a pair of the OEM parts...................  Should be simple enough to find......

Can anyone post pictures again or for the 1st time a couple of shots of their C500 setup/grille? I'm looking for the top view of the grille header with the attach bolt locations where the vertical headlamp bucket brackets are and the 4 top and 4 bottom attach brackets are. I'll probably get the kit Mike sells and the brackets should fall into place and thus be obvious. The inboard attach point of the additional headlamp bucket is obvious (attaches to the vertical inboard bracket), but what about the outboard locations/attach points? I have a collection of pictures from my Dana days, but not everything. Too be honest, as much as I would have loved to have another C500, never thought in a million years when I traded Dana off for the Daytona, I'd ever see one again in my garage.... go figure........  

Troy

Look on page 2 for the comparisons

[xs29j8Bullitt]

I am not sure exactly what you are asking for, but the headlight buckets appear to be Charger pieces with an adapter stacked in front of them... probably made from the buckets of another model.

Attached are a few pictures to start with...

Allen

[hemi68charger]

Hey Allen..
Yes, those are nice pictures.. Here are comments I wrote on one.. These are the areas I'm trying to focus on.. The headlamp buckerts used in the modification aren't Charger buckets. The original buckets as we know stayed, Creative just added a set to push the headlamp bulbs themselves forward.

[xs29j8Bullitt]

I probably do not have the exact pictures you are looking for, but here are four more...

[hemi68charger]

Hey Allen,,
Those are pretty darn good....... Thanks.. Now, to get the headlamp buckets.............  Anyone have pictures of a '68 Coronet with out the grille? Maybe the part number in the '69 Passenger Parts Book for the C500 components will be the same for the Coronet headlamp bucket in the '68 Passenger Parts Book.

[694spdRT]

My dad has a '68 Super Bee. I will check it out and get back to you.

[694spdRT]

I just checked the '68 Super Bee and the headlight mount is totally different. It is molded in piece that probaly attaches directly to the fender.

I also looked at his '68 Plymouth and that is the same type of setup.

Perhaps a '68 or '69 C body with folding headlights might have something like that.    I have a '76 New Yorker out at the farm but I can't get there very soon.

'70 Challengers have something similar looking to what was posted in the above pictures but it is not exact. 

What about '70 Chargers? How do they mount?

[hemi68charger]

I'll take a look, I still have my '70 Charger here. I know for a fact that the '71 Charger headlamp buckets are NOT welded on the grille header like the '68 and '69 Chargers.  I have a '71 headlamp bucket sitting on the table in the garage, I'll take a look..... Thanks for trying...  I do know that whatever bucket it is, the little plastic spacers the space out the headlamp bezel is in the same relative position as a '68 coronet..

[Roth68rt]

Hey Troy, if you find some, get two sets.  I'm trying to convert my front end to C500 as well.  Actually now that I think about it, I would be willing to take the setup you have now if you find the correct stuff.  I'm not interested in the real thing.  I have an order in for the brackets and seals from Mike at Dayclona I could trade for your current setup.  Let me know, Steve

[moparstuart]

 i  need the fender to hlp seal (filler) for my 500

[hemi68charger]

i  need the fender to hlp seal (filler) for my 500

Mike Goyette at http://www.officialdayclona.com/home does sell them........  It's probably our best bet for used ones aren't really floating around out there.....

Hey Troy, if you find some, get two sets.  I'm trying to convert my front end to C500 as well.  Actually now that I think about it, I would be willing to take the setup you have now if you find the correct stuff.  I'm not interested in the real thing.  I have an order in for the brackets and seals from Mike at Dayclona I could trade for your current setup.  Let me know, Steve

That's a mighty nice offer.... Maybe by the end of this thread we'll figure out everything together.. I just emailed Mike too yesterday about a kit... The hard part is finding what car the headlamp buckets come from. Once that's known, then that part will probably be easy to find.....

Troy

Stuart, I know you know what these look like, posting it for reference to others.... On the bucket, you'll notice how the bottom inboard spacer has shaved down to make the bezel vertical......
I've annotated Allen's pictures for reference....

[xs29j8Bullitt]

Installed headlight surround filler pictures...

[DAY CLONA]

Gee,....a news alert must have gone off amongsts the Charger 500 crowd!  ...I had 1 order for a 500 grille kit, so like I usually do, I like to make parts in batches, so I geared up to make 6 complete sets,........now everone wants/needs them ......I fiqured I was "stocked" for at least 2 yrs,....out of the 6 sets, all I have left are:......1 complete set,fender fillers/brackets, and just one set of fender fillers left,...don't worry Steve, I didn't sell your set



Mike

[hemi68charger]

....all I have left are:......1 complete set,fender fillers/brackets, and just one set of fender fillers left,...don't worry Steve, I didn't sell your set

Mike

I need some... pretty please Mikey? For the C500 it all started from... pretty please...... Make some more........  do you give a referral preference? Military, dual-aero citizenship?......... 



Tee - Roy   aka AB

[moparstuart]

 i need a set of the fender fillers  but i'm not in a hurry so please mark me down mike and email me next time you make them . Car is in no way getting restored any time in the next 2 years     picture below is filler off waynes 500 then my car below that missing its filler

[Carl1]

I used the buckets out of a 68 Coronet. They are welded to the fender,so you got to un-weld them. The plastic spacers are off the Coronet as well, you need some longer, they were two short ones taped together with electrical tape. Anyone out there interested in a really nice Hemi 4 spd  C-500 already restored. I need to sell very reasonable.

[moparstuart]

pictures    

[hemi68charger]

pictures    

Carl's J-code C500

[moparstuart]

yes j code 500 

[Roth68rt]

Mike,
What?  Me worry, I'm not ready for them either.  Vinyl top goes on this week, then interior. 
Steve

[hemi68charger]

We have victory.. Here is a picture that a member over on moparts.com posted on my inquiry thread. The '68 Coronet HAS to be the one Creative used..... Hat's off to LTLBEE...

'69 Charger 500:



'68 Coronet

[DAY CLONA]

Hmmmmmm.....looks the same as the factory manual pic

[hemi68charger]

The part that doesn't look the same is the addition of these support tabs which seem to be a actual part of the C500 pod...

[Hemidog]

Where would one get the 68 coronet buckets? Aren't they welded to the fender?

I've been looking for a pair too: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,56980.0.html

[hemi68charger]

Where would one get the 68 coronet buckets? Aren't they welded to the fender?

I've been looking for a pair too: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,56980.0.html

You'll probably have to get a pair of sacrificial fenders and cut them out. I'm suspecting Creative got that particular component  when it was still a separate piece for the "sheetmetal" department, for a lack of a better term........

[richRTSE]

here's a close up of the plastic bezel spacers, you can see how the longer ones have extensions taped on...

[694spdRT]

Glad you found your answer. Sorry if I led you astray. When I checked my dad's '68 out it sure seemed to be part of the fender structure and lacked any mounting tabs. I probably should have pulled the grill out.

Now I have to go check it out again and take a much closer look. If you think '69 Coronets are the same I know of one in a yard near me. Plus, I have a '69 Satellite that could be a possible donor.

[hemi68charger]

Glad you found your answer. Sorry if I led you astray. When I checked my dad's '68 out it sure seemed to be part of the fender structure and lacked any mounting tabs. I probably should have pulled the grill out.

Now I have to go check it out again and take a much closer look. If you think '69 Coronets are the same I know of one in a yard near me. Plus, I have a '69 Satellite that could be a donor.

I believe the '69 model year is different... Could be... I haven't investigated that avenue, but it's worth a lookie....

here's a close up of the plastic bezel spacers, you can see how the longer ones have extensions taped on...

Great picture Rich.......

Troy

[694spdRT]

I believe the '69 model year is different... Could be... I haven't investigated that avenue, but it's worth a lookie....

Troy

I will check the Satellite out. The fenders are junk otherwise so if they will work and are not shot they are yours. 

[nascarxx29]

So they used the headlamp buckets that went with the 68 coronet grille.To think all those 68 coronet 4drs and wagons we parted out

[hemi68charger]

So they used the headlamp buckets that went with the 68 coronet grille.To think all those 68 coronet 4drs and wagons we parted out

Yeap.. It appears Creative got in bulk amount of this particular pod structure that would have normally been part of a complete '68 Coronet fender.

[Highbanked Hauler]

 Hey Troy did you find a set of fenders to use for the brackets?

[hemi68charger]

Hey Troy did you find a set of fenders to use for the brackets?

Al, which brackets are you referring to?

[Highbanked Hauler]

Hey Troy did you find a set of fenders to use for the brackets?

Al, which brackets are you referring to?   

Sorry, I had brain fade 2:am, the headlight buckets

[hemi68charger]

Hey Troy did you find a set of fenders to use for the brackets?

Al, which brackets are you referring to? 

Sorry, I had brain fade 2:am, the headlight buckets

I think I might.. I'm checking on that now, but it's nice to know what I need to focus on now..........

Troy

[gtx6970]

Maybe I'm missing something , I always thought, and It would seem reasonable if the 500 used a 68 coronet grille, there for wouldnt also use 68 coronet head light components?

[hemi68charger]

Maybe I'm missing something , I always thought, and It would seem reasonable if the 500 used a 68 coronet grille, there for wouldnt also use 68 coronet head light components?

Yes, it's the most "obvious", but when you don't have a part number to go by, it's not a "bolt-on" component and even the most informed aero people aren't quite sure, then it's not so obvious. That was my first hypothesis, but I needed to see the front of a '68 Coronet fender without grille, bezels, headlamps and all... Even with that being said, it looks like Creative modified the needed component from the fender. Since the component that was utilized to move the headlamps flush was a bolt-on (albeit creative) for the C500, I also wanted to make sure the pod wasn't something from a trunk or C-body.. I wanted to be able to focus on exactly what I needed to find for my C500....

Troy - AB

[richRTSE]

Yes, it's the most "obvious", but when you don't have a part number to go by...

Troy, would the part numbers help any? One of the sets I have was a "used" NOS set that still has the part numbers on them. I can dig them up later when I get home, but I'm pretty sure it's just a 500-specific part number, and was not listed/available seperately for the Coronet fenders

Rich

[hemi68charger]

Yes, it's the most "obvious", but when you don't have a part number to go by...

Troy, would the part numbers help any? One of the sets I have was a "used" NOS set that still has the part numbers on them. I can dig them up later when I get home, but I'm pretty sure it's just a 500-specific part number, and was not listed/available seperately for the Coronet fenders

Rich

Hey Rich, that would be cool. But, ultimately, I don't think I'll ever run across a set of NOS C500 headlamp pods, so I need to understand the parts they used. The pods themselves, like Dave P. pointed out, are stamped. So, I doubt very seriously Chrysler created a press just for that. I'm sure they constructed the pods by modifying existing hardware/sheetmetal. I would love to see some pictures for my reference and a possible article for a newsletter.

Thanks...
Troy

[richRTSE]

Here's a couple more pictures of the driver's side bracket. The top one is off the copper 500 I bought last summer, and the unpainted one is a "used" NOS one I found a few years back. I don't seem to have any pictures of the passenger side bracket, but if you really need one I could take one for you. At least you can see how much you need to cut off if you use a donor Coronet fender.

You can also see the part number for the driver's side. It looks like 2836985. I can't remember what the passenger side number is, but it's either one higher or one lower. Also, the NOS set had white plastic mounts for the headlight bezel, while the production set had black mounts.  

Hope this helps.

[nascarxx29]

That #2836985 shows in the regular 69 parts book in the W Coronet line.Also looked it up in the 69 collision parts quick number reference book showed NA

[hemi68charger]

Thanks Dave.... That's nice...........

Troy

[nascarxx29]

Let me know if you need any part pages picture illustrations looked I got stored on the computer .I will check parts stock to see if I got a 68 coronet grille .And maybe some fenders.I called a friend just a while ago. Who had parted out a 68 4dr still has grille very nice thinks he might craiglist it .I can give you his #

[hemi68charger]

Here's a couple more pictures of the driver's side bracket. The top one is off the copper 500 I bought last summer, and the unpainted one is a "used" NOS one I found a few years back. I don't seem to have any pictures of the passenger side bracket, but if you really need one I could take one for you. At least you can see how much you need to cut off if you use a donor Coronet fender.

You can also see the part number for the driver's side. It looks like 2836985. I can't remember what the passenger side number is, but it's either one higher or one lower. Also, the NOS set had white plastic mounts for the headlight bezel, while the production set had black mounts.  



Hope this helps.

Definitely have the part... Now, if I can find the other side......

[nascarxx29]

Make a fiberglass mold off that one reverse it for the opposite.And copy for a template.Fabricate one in metal